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bazza
* Dog in the Sand *
Ireland
1439 Posts |
 Posted - 12/12/2002 : 10:31:54
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anyone?
when you've got nothing
you've got nothing to lose.
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BrendanT
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
907 Posts |
Posted - 12/12/2002 : 11:01:07
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So many songs. And such an obscure album.
Whatever happened to Pong - The old video game Pong!?
Vanishing Spies - Remote viewing. Two Mars probes that vanished without a trace.
Headache - God's point of view of the earth and humans at this moment
I can only think of three! Shameful.
I don't have the album in front of me. I will attempt more tomorrow.
Strummer-man
I had me a vision!
Buttercup! Bubbles! Let's go! |
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ramona
"FB Quote Mistress"
USA
3988 Posts |
Posted - 12/12/2002 : 11:16:01
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Interesting about HEADACHE, I never thought of it that way. I always thought it was Frank trying to think about his place in the world and what it ALL means.
I love the "my heart is crammed in my cranium" line. Truly a classic Frank-ism. |
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jediroller
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1718 Posts |
Posted - 12/12/2002 : 12:17:29
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Someone once asked Frank if he really did play Pong for money. The answer, unsurprisingly, was "Yes".
I also read in an interview that "Big Red" was partly inspired by Kim Stanley Robinson's novels "Red Mars", "Green Mars" and "Blue Mars".
"Two Reelers" is about the Three Stooges.
"Olé Mulholland" refers to the St Francis Dam Disaster.
Someone once asked Frank, during a chat, if "The Hostess With the Mostest" was about the Del Amo mall (in LA?). The answer wasn't really clear, but there definitely seems to be a connection :-)
"Bad, Wicked World" is clear enough ("some won't believe an architect named David Vincent"). Maybe the younger ones here haven't heard of the 60's TV series "The Invaders", though. That's what it's about. Guys with a weird little finger trying to invade the Earth. And an architect who was looking for a shortcut...
The ones that puzzle me the most are "Fiddle Riddle" and "Thalassocracy".
What a wonderful album. Now I want to listen to it again. Thanks for that, Bazza :-)
~ A guy with no ear ~ |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 12/12/2002 : 14:36:04
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"Olé Mulholland" refers to the St Francis Dam Disaster.
Is "Bradbury's mall" a reference to Raymond, and, if so, what does he have to with Mulholland?
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Someone once asked Frank, during a chat, if "The Hostess With the Mostest" was about the Del Amo mall (in LA?). The answer wasn't really clear, but there definitely seems to be a connection :-)
Was it ever the biggest mall in the world? I'm pretty sure the biggest mall in the United States now is the Mall of America in Minnesota, followed by the Court and Plaza in King of Prussia, Pennsylvania. I know there's a mall in Canada that's bigger than the Mall of America, but there might be ones even larger than that somewhere.
Incidentally, Laurasia is one of the two parts into which the supercontinent of Pangea is said to have split. It later split further into North America, Europe, and Asia, so, like Frank said, it sure HAS changed.
I've heard that "Thalassocracy" refers to the Gaia Hypothesis, which suggests that the Earth is living thing. I'm not exactly sure how, though. The dictionary.com definition of the title is "naval or commerical supremacy on the sea," so that might have something to do with it.
At least part of "Superabound" is about P.T. Barnum and his famous ways of fooling the public, including the classic "see the egress" trick. There's more to it than that, though. Does anyone know what an "ishist" is?
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 12/12/2002 : 15:25:30
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How about we just stop these posts and you people can wait for the song database to come out?
www.thebennies.com |
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Bartholomew
= Cult of Ray =
USA
344 Posts |
Posted - 12/12/2002 : 15:59:22
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"Is "Bradbury's mall" a reference to Raymond, and, if so, what does he have to with Mulholland?"
Yes, I think. While not familiar with Los Angeles, I'm sure I read that Ray has a plaza or something of that sort named after him (surely on Muholland Drive). Anyone know the details.
You a Bradbury fan, VoVat? You're talking to a huge one here. |
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
2953 Posts |
Posted - 12/12/2002 : 18:39:07
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We're talking about Milton Bradbury right? they make the best board games!
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Jose Jones
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1758 Posts |
Posted - 12/12/2002 : 19:22:41
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milton bradley. jesus, talk about blasphemy!
see what i did there? that's funny!
ray bradbury is amazing. the martian chronicles blew me away.
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frank_black_francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
895 Posts |
Posted - 12/12/2002 : 19:28:01
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illustrated man
wutchu talkin bout willis? |
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Jose Jones
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1758 Posts |
Posted - 12/12/2002 : 19:31:41
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we should have a ray bradbury section of the forum. it only makes sense. kind of.
-dan |
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
2953 Posts |
Posted - 12/12/2002 : 20:01:23
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i like the martian chronicles. did anyone notice on my old tab page, where i made a sorta subtle reference to Ray Bradbury? it's still up there, go to the Alphabetical section! now! (I always wondered if any appreciated this. haha)
http://www.angelfire.com/mo/frankblacktabs/abc2.html
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts |
Posted - 12/12/2002 : 21:39:31
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I don't think Ole Mulholland is specifically about the St. Francis Dam. Seems to me it's more of a tribute to (or jab at) the man who engineered the aqueducts and reservoirs which made possible this ridiculous megalopolis (and imminent "valley of tar"). I can't hear the song without picturing the Mulholland memorial fountain at Los Feliz and Riverside:
http://www.vrviews.com/prucal/lfv01.htm |
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johndietzel
= Cult of Ray =
Burkina Faso (Upper Volta)
464 Posts |
Posted - 12/13/2002 : 00:56:12
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I think I have heard Fiddle Riddle is sung by the Earth. I don't know why for sure, but it reminds me of "The World's Address" by They Might Be Giants.
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Originally posted by BLT
I don't think Ole Mulholland is specifically about the St. Francis Dam. Seems to me it's more of a tribute to (or jab at) the man who engineered the aqueducts and reservoirs which made possible this ridiculous megalopolis (and imminent "valley of tar"). I can't hear the song without picturing the Mulholland memorial fountain at Los Feliz and Riverside:
http://www.vrviews.com/prucal/lfv01.htm
Exactly. The dam disaster was a dark episode, but only one aspect to what created the infamy Mulholland has earned. I don't have the lyrics right here in front of me, but I am thinking the "sleeping monster in the sand" who needed a drink is Los Angeles metro. Wasn't Mulholland instrumental in pipelining the water from the Colorado River? The Hoover damn isn't in Vegas exactly, but it's close. There's a good documentary on his life that shows up periodically on PBS I believe. I think it even has Job Harriman in it.
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Was it ever the biggest mall in the world? I'm pretty sure the biggest mall in the United States now is the Mall of America in Minnesota, followed by the Court and Plaza in King of Prussia, Pennsylvania. I know there's a mall in Canada that's bigger than the Mall of America, but there might be ones even larger than that somewhere
West Edmonton in Alberta was at some point North America's largest I think.
Have you guys ever heard Garrison Keillor talk about the big Minnesota mall? Pretty funny.
This tiny ghetto mall where I grew up called Eastridge used to be the biggest in the US or maybe just California.
Geez, El Barto. We didn't put that stick up your ass, so lay off, and maybe go look for a half-stick with poo on the end, and pick on the guy holding it.
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bazza
* Dog in the Sand *
Ireland
1439 Posts |
Posted - 12/13/2002 : 09:55:14
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thats really excellent lads. thanks a million for the help - but as jim suggested maybe we can wait until the database gets started.
cheers
when you've got nothing
you've got nothing to lose.
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nekom
- FB Fan -
23 Posts |
Posted - 01/05/2003 : 20:50:06
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"Big Red": someone on Mars in the midst of its terraforming... it reminded me of Kim Stanley Robinson's "Mars" books when I first listened to it, funny to find it is credited for inspiration. Those were great books!
"Superabound": I always thought this one was about extropian/transhumanist-type 'posthumans' ala Poul Anderson, immortal, able to do nearly anything, and ultimately bored. I'd like to know what an ishist is, too... |
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Bohemoth
- FB Fan -
USA
246 Posts |
Posted - 01/05/2003 : 22:01:20
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frank_black_francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
895 Posts |
Posted - 01/06/2003 : 14:51:15
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two reelers.....three stooges (possibly laurel and hardy)
...and evolving from the sea, would not be too much time for me, to walk beside you in the sun.... |
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therewererumours
* Dog in the Sand *
Ireland
1240 Posts |
Posted - 01/06/2003 : 15:17:32
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I have an American friend who told me that Speedy Marie it about a partical accelerater thingy in Nevada or somewhere and Pure Denizen of the Citizens Band is about Frank wanting to be a trucker, vanishing spies is about spy satellites but I think somebody already said that?
"Let's see. You've got a two...and a receipt for a box of tampoons? This might be the worst poker hand ever". |
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Thomas
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1615 Posts |
Posted - 01/06/2003 : 19:45:04
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Originally posted by therewererumours
I have an American friend who told me that Speedy Marie it about a partical accelerater thingy in Nevada or somewhere.
In 'Speedy Marie' FB writes "And so I sing this romaunt". A romaunt
is a romantic poem or Shakespearean Sonnet. It is made up of three
quatrains (four lines each) and one couplet (2 lines) that conclude
the poem concisely. The quatrains rhyme on alternating lines; that
is, the scheme is ab ab.
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Juxtaposed in each moment's sight (a)
Everything that I ever saw (b)
And my one delight (a)
Nothing can strike me in such awe (b)
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The quatrains do not rhyme with each other, so in the first twelve
lines of the poem, the scheme is ab ab cd cd ef ef. The couplet is
two rhyming lines (gg). Requiring fewer rhymes than the Petrarchan
scheme, it is thus easier to compose in English.
Sonnet form: three quatrains and a couplet
Rhyme scheme: ab ab cd cd ef ef gg
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Mouth intricate shapes the voice that speaks (c)
Always it will soothe (d)
Rarer none are the precious cheeks (c)
Is the size of each sculpted tooth (d)
Each lip and each eye (e)
Wise is the tongue, wet of perfect thought (f)
And softest neck where always do I (e)
Lay my clumsy thoughts (f)
She is that most lovely art (g)
Happy are my mind and my soul and my heart (g)
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SITE (A)
SAW (B)
DELIGHT (A)
AWE (B)
SPEAKS (C)
SOOTHE (D)
CHEEKS (C)
TOOTH (D)
EYE (E)
THOUGHT (F)
I (E)
THOUGHTS (F)
ART (G)
HEART (G)
In other words each word that rhymes is given a letter and a new
rhyme is given another new letter. Note that none of the rhymes occur
again or a given letter would repeat.
Most only know that the first letter of each line spells out "JEAN
MARIE WALSH"
This is the rest of the story.
Thomas
"Our love is rice and beans and horses lard"
p.s. I had to look up all the Shakespearean Sonnet stuff again cause
I can't remember that kind of stuff from memory, so yes most of this
is plagiarized as a cut and paste. It makes it easier to help you all
understand than having you try and figure out my bad English. So sue
me.
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carsonwerner
= Cult of Ray =
USA
254 Posts |
Posted - 01/06/2003 : 20:15:09
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| I could swear I remember someone asking him in one of those internet chats if Ole Mul and St. Francis were about the same thing, and he said no. I'll have to see if I can find it. |
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therewererumours
* Dog in the Sand *
Ireland
1240 Posts |
Posted - 01/07/2003 : 11:01:35
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"In 'Speedy Marie' FB writes "And so I sing this romaunt". A romaunt
is a romantic poem or Shakespearean Sonnet."
Ye I read about that as well, which is exactly what the song is about(and which Thomas has totally correctly and consisely eplained) but I think the partical accelerartor is a nice explaination for the start of the song?"A spinning wheel" "she's better built thats how, she's built for speed". While the rest is a lovely peice of poetic lyricism.
P.S. sorry I fucked up the quotes system and please dont rip me to bits on this one cause I'm a newbie(timidly) thank you
"Let's see. You've got a two...and a receipt for a box of tampoons? This might be the worst poker hand ever". |
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Perhaps
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Posted - 01/07/2003 : 12:30:50
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I am not so sure if PURE DENIZEN is a song that represents a desire to be a trucker or situations gone bad.
I think it was through an interview I read that most of these songs were at least conceived while driving a pick-up truck (i think it happened to have been red).
I think DENIZEN was written in response to an information breakdown between a 4-wheeler and an 18-wheeler (or many perhaps).
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Grieves
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 01/13/2003 : 16:18:37
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Ole Mulholland and St. Francis aren't the same stories. Ole is about that Mulholland guy who came up with diverting water from the east to los angeles leading the way to l.a. being the metropolis it is today.
St. Francis is about the same guy but different event. pre-depression times the st. francis dam collapsed killing hundreds. |
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