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mdisanto
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1140 Posts |
 Posted - 11/30/2002 : 08:40:41
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all those pop/rap videos where at the end the song completely changes randomly to some drumbeat and little keyboard thing with dancing. the new justin timberlake song, the new jlo song, that clipse song that is constantly played. its getting really old!
incase you cared - mike
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1602 Posts |
Posted - 11/30/2002 : 09:05:28
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It seems like I first noticed that with both Missy Elliot jams, "Get Your Freak On" first, then "Work It".
FIrst off let me say that Missy Elliot is one of the most exciting artists to come around in a while. If that Justin Timberlake crap and J-Lo bullshit copies that, it pales in comparison to what she is doing.
Secondly, just as there is a lot of CRAP "guitar bands" out there, there are also the good ones if you find them (ie FB&TC) and the SAME holds true for rap/hip hop.
For example....open your minds to the following small list of artists and you will find that what is going on in some rap circles is tantamount to the exploration and open search for new and interesting sounds not seen since the psychedelic era of Rock and roll in the mid to latter parts of the 60's.
1. OUTKAST - wow, wow, oh my god wow....see "Stankonia"
2. Cee-Lo Green - another wow part II
3. Missy Elliot
4. Nappy Roots
5. Jurrasic 5
6. The Roots
Just a few...also, I know it's not new at all, but if anyone has heard any of that Shuggie Otis stuff, another wow.
This is coming from a guitar guy all the way. If you only try one of those, listen to OUTKAST. Listen to "Stankonia".
"Winter blows through my coat"
the what four http://www.mp3.com/phelan |
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pong
= Cult of Ray =
France
315 Posts |
Posted - 11/30/2002 : 09:57:26
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i'm ok with the swimmer, some rap artist sound good, but, you're absoultly right mdisanto : rap's videos suck !!!!! always those women who dance like bitches. i mean : is it the real life? is it the most beautifull way to show women???? women for me are not like that ! and that's why i'm always angry when i saw rap's videos.
- Pong
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Visiting Sasquatch
= Cult of Ray =
USA
451 Posts |
Posted - 11/30/2002 : 14:00:38
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| Try Deltron 3030 too. They're good. And does anyone remember Digable Planets? |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 11/30/2002 : 14:28:20
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i hate to tell you, but rap/hip-hop 'pioneers' rarely do anything that hasn't already been done. it's just that ignorant hip-hop fans don't hear it because they're closed minded.
the exceptions being true works of brilliance like Paul's Boutique. |
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Visiting Sasquatch
= Cult of Ray =
USA
451 Posts |
Posted - 11/30/2002 : 20:49:17
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| Geez...than can hold true for ANY musician...even the Beastie Boys. |
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mdisanto
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1140 Posts |
Posted - 11/30/2002 : 21:25:02
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yah outkast is kinda cool, i dont like missy eliot though, and the only thing i really like about outkast is how they have catchy non rap chorus's and the delivery of the one rapper is cool but thats about it.
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 11/30/2002 : 21:39:43
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I'm not into rap at all, but Nappy Roots came to the Pizza Hut i work at (laugh) a couple weeks ago when they played a show at the college with The Executioners.
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johndietzel
= Cult of Ray =
Burkina Faso (Upper Volta)
464 Posts |
Posted - 11/30/2002 : 22:38:38
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Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
i hate to tell you, but rap/hip-hop 'pioneers' rarely do anything that hasn't already been done. it's just that ignorant hip-hop fans don't hear it because they're closed minded.
the exceptions being true works of brilliance like Paul's Boutique.
C'mon, silly boy. So the non-ignorant hip-hop fan is the one who can police each new record for "that's already been done" moments? It's even ignoranter to presume to judge rap records on such a superficial level. So is the first guy to throw up a wall of distortion the only 'pioneer'? Was the first guy who decided to improvise on an instrument during a classical performance the only jazz 'pioneer'?
What's absolutely hilarious though, is your "Paul's Boutique" citation, which album is only presumably "brilliant" because all its memorable "hooks" and other tidbits had literally "already been done" by the likes of Dylan, Johnny Cash, Curtis Mayfield, the Beatles and even Alfred Hitchcock/Bernard Hermann (and so on, ad infinitum).
Anyway, I'm only 'biting back' I guess, because your highbrow "ignorant hip-hop fans don't hear it because they're closed minded" type comments are snotty and very wannabelike.
"I don't trust anything said by a news anchor who doesn't have a believable hairpiece."
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 11/30/2002 : 23:41:47
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Originally posted by johndietzel
...It's even ignoranter...
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Anyway, I'm only 'biting back' I guess, because your highbrow "ignorant hip-hop fans don't hear it because they're closed minded" type comments are snotty and very wannabelike.
"I don't trust anything said by a news anchor who doesn't have a believable hairpiece."
Dennis Miller
even ignoranter? ok you finished hooked on phonics, move up to hooked on grammar. if you're going to throw around accusations of ignorance, anyway.
snotty and wanna-be-like from a guy with a dennis miller quote in his sig? puh-leeze.
you missed my entire point, anyway. since i don't feel like being a babysitter and explaining everything, i won't. if you don't see why Paul's Boutique was a very pioneering record and well, just about everything else cited in this thread isn't, that's your problem. i'll clue you in: it has nothing to do with a single individual hook, distortion pedal placement or cowbell.
(edit: also, before the almost inevitable reply happens, pioneering and innovative are definitely not requirements of good music. it doesn't even guarantee that it'll be any good. one could argue that john tesh pioneers new landscapes of unlistenable garbage.) |
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mdisanto
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1140 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2002 : 09:20:42
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in the handful of beastie boys songs ive heard, everyone has the same rhyming technique where one of them raps a line and the last word is shouted by the rest of them. that gets kinda annoying. that one song is cool though with the video with the cops.
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JamesM
= Cult of Ray =
308 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2002 : 13:28:31
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Ebb Vicious and John Deitzel - Christ almighty, will the two of you get over yourselves? I love how you're trying to make a "YOUR MUSIC SUCKS!" argument fair game by flinging around your pseudo-intelligence like so much fucking monkey poo. Music. It's subjective. So shut the fuck up and don't worry about what the next guy listens to.
One more thing: what DOES make Paul's Botique such a great album compared to the others listed? I'm not trying to argue you with you here (in fact, I like PB), but c'mon. If you're going to argue, you better be able to make some valid points towards your persuasion and be able to back your shit up.
And totally off the subject, directed towards Pong: dude, go to some clubs in your area. Yes. A lot of women really do act that way.
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Edited by - JamesM on 12/01/2002 13:31:49 |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2002 : 23:10:38
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good thing JamesM is here to boss everyone around, otherwise nobody would know what to do!
THANK YOU CITIZEN!!!!
(edit: ps, explaining why Paul's Boutique is an important record is like explaining why Sgt. Pepper's is an important record. if i need to do it, you're a retard and i'm not wasting my time on you.) |
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JamesM
= Cult of Ray =
308 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2002 : 06:29:53
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TEE HEE SO VERY HUMOROUS
And by that you mean you can't possibly explain because you're a complete and total dumbfuck. Gotcha!
-Jimmy M. |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2002 : 07:03:17
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
2953 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2002 : 11:22:24
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It was funny, I was watching some MTV special (i think MTV news), and Justin Timberlake said about his new song, that it's raw and he wanted the video to be raw like the song.
Ok, Justin, you turd, if you think that sound of yours is "raw", then you need to get therapy. It's not raw. Your stupid friends tweeked and edited the hell out of your album. A pop song like that being called raw, ha. Gosh, some people make me laugh.
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2002 : 13:39:29
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Originally posted by darwin
Brass Monkey is a masterpiece and if you can't see that you're stupid :0
damn strizzaight, yo.
JamesM is the white devil. |
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mereubu
= FB QuizMistress =
USA
2677 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2002 : 15:58:33
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Originally posted by mdisanto
all those pop/rap videos where at the end the song completely changes randomly to some drumbeat and little keyboard thing with dancing. the new justin timberlake song, the new jlo song, that clipse song that is constantly played. its getting really old!
incase you cared - mike
-miked
Agreed. You know what else is annoying? That damned vocoder effect that's everywhere now thanks to that damned Cher song a couple of years ago. I only pick up one local AM station in my car, and it's apparently even trickled down to the country music now. If I have to hear one more cracker yodeling through a vocoder, I'm just going to yank the freaking wires and spare myself any future vocal effects-related misery. |
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
2953 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2002 : 19:18:08
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yeah that vocal effect is so played out. It's not even anywhere near the zip code of cool. In ten years everyone will be saying, "That vocoder effect is sooo late 90's." I can't believe pop bands don't realize how cheesy it sounds, or how cheesy their entire band is.
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johndietzel
= Cult of Ray =
Burkina Faso (Upper Volta)
464 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2002 : 22:58:35
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Recently overheard in the break room:
"Hey dude, like if you need me to explain why _________ and _____________ then you're just stupid and I won't waste my time, cuz um you're not 'in-the-know' and you don't even know who Peter Travers is, and Frank Black has written half his songs about pricks like ME, not boring old YOU, you uncouth simpleton with your 1983 made boombox and your non-brilliance-having 'closed-minded' listening favorites."
Hey Ebb--you're that boney chick on the Nextel commercial who snorts at Dennis Franz: "Commercials?! I wanna be a SERIOUS actress." What a fag.
And is it possible that I will have to add annotations and footnotes from now on for all the retard "vicious ebbies" on the board? Let me know and on my NEXT post, I will start it off with an "ironic use of language forthcoming" disclaimer. Damn lowest common denominator.
So EbbV, howsabouts taking a brief leave of your constant stream of pompous, vocal jizzings to actually say SOMETHING about SOMETHING aside from the usual "if you don't like to eat shit, then I won't even waste my time trying to convert you--you obviously will never have my sophisticated palette."
Otherwise your new name is LCD.
By the way, Dennis Miller is funny and smart, while you are tiring and a bit slow.
"I don't trust anything said by a news anchor who doesn't have a believable hairpiece."
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2002 : 23:10:29
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Originally posted by johndietzel
Dennis Miller is funny and smart, while you are tiring and a bit slow.
yep, i am a retard. i'm dumb as a post. please never waste your time replying to me ever, ever again. because obviously i'm a moron and you are so far above me. you and dennis miller should have your own planet, free from me. |
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Visiting Sasquatch
= Cult of Ray =
USA
451 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2002 : 09:11:35
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Hehe...this is neat.
Listen all of y'all, it's a sabotage! |
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