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MIRV
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 Posted - 11/22/2002 : 14:22:36
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while some of you might like stuff like black letter days, it doesn't do anything for me.
judging by frank's comments at his concerts, and the direction he seems to be going, the rockin' frank we once new has departed.
R.I.P. Rocking frank black. |
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MIRV
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178 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2002 : 14:23:30
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i'd like to add that this isn't meant to be malicious. to be perfectly honest, i'm amazed that he rocked so hard for so long. usually artists turn frilly after one or two albums.
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2002 : 15:41:14
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obviously a contraversial statement like this is going to elicit a predictable response.. but please.. folk?
go to one of his concerts and tell me he's playing "folk".. if the guy is still playing Thallisocracy and I Want Rock And Roll, it doesn't look like it's time for him to RIP.
i know what you mean.. Black Letter Days, as a whole, is less "rocking" than say TOTY or FB&C's etc.. but i still wouldn't call it "folk".
personally, i see this current trend as just that.. a trend. or phase.. he may continue further down this road, but i doubt it.. the guy loves rock and roll too much.
and, since when has Frank been predictable?
he's talked about doing an album with a full orchestra before..
i think his music will continue evolving in new directions..
Floop
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ivandivel
= Cult of Ray =
394 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2002 : 15:53:34
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| as long as the songs are good he could play polka for all i care. |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2002 : 16:05:23
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this thread confirms my earlier hypothesis: MIRV is an imbecile. |
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MIRV
- FB Fan -
178 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2002 : 16:38:15
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Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
this thread confirms my earlier hypothesis: MIRV is an imbecile.
yep. an imbecile because i don't cream my pants over everything frank black is attached to.
who's the idiot? |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2002 : 17:59:20
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aahahahahahah..OH MY GOD I DON'T LIKE THINGS, I'M SO ALTERNATIVE!!!!
hahahaha... i think somebody has sand in their vagina.
no an imbecile because you think 'Velvety' and many other songs are folky. though i don't know why i even bother to cite an example for you, because i'm sure you're going to reply with some astounding logic-defying statement.
share your wisdom with us, O Lord. |
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MIRV
- FB Fan -
178 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2002 : 19:01:24
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Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
aahahahahahah..OH MY GOD I DON'T LIKE THINGS, I'M SO ALTERNATIVE!!!!
hahahaha... i think somebody has sand in their vagina.
no an imbecile because you think 'Velvety' and many other songs are folky. though i don't know why i even bother to cite an example for you, because i'm sure you're going to reply with some astounding logic-defying statement.
share your wisdom with us, O Lord.
thanks for outlining your stupidity...velvety is on devil's workshop asshole.
i said i didn't care for black letter days. |
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Chip Away Boy
= Cult of Ray =
914 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2002 : 20:13:31
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| not to be antagonistic...but if devil's workshop came out on the same day as BLD, and is obviously a "rocky" record, then how does that mean frank is done with his rocky sound? |
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mdisanto
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1140 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2002 : 20:13:58
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haha the first flame thread! yes! this is a messageboard
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
2953 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2002 : 20:31:02
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Frank Black isn't folk. Some songs have that semi-folky feel, but he is far from that genre. If he was folk, radio stations around where i live would be playing his music. I live in Western North Carolina. When I hear frank on one of those stations, I'll let you know that it's safe to start calling the boys Folky Brown and the Mountaineers. (lame)
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2002 : 21:31:01
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Originally posted by MIRV
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thanks for outlining your stupidity...velvety is on devil's workshop asshole.
i said i didn't care for black letter days.
you said rocking frank black is dead, you said 'stuff like black letter days.' you are a fucking imbecile.
there's rocking stuff on BLD too.. Black Rider, 1826, etc. most of the record is not folky. it's obvious you're just talking out of your ass. pretty much every post of yours is totally worthless. |
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MIRV
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178 Posts |
Posted - 11/23/2002 : 00:18:01
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Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
quote:
Originally posted by MIRV
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thanks for outlining your stupidity...velvety is on devil's workshop asshole.
i said i didn't care for black letter days.
you said rocking frank black is dead, you said 'stuff like black letter days.' you are a fucking imbecile.
there's rocking stuff on BLD too.. Black Rider, 1826, etc. most of the record is not folky. it's obvious you're just talking out of your ass. pretty much every post of yours is totally worthless.
actually, the album is weak as christ overall. aside from black letter day, chip away boy, it's heinous.
frank is lucky to surround himself with amazing musicians to make BLD sound good
the catholics deserve more credit. |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 11/23/2002 : 00:30:45
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Hey guys - i think it's really cool to disagree, i encourage it.
However, there's no need for name-calling.
Go ahead, i'm not gonna censor or ban you. But i think it would be quite decent if you could disagree, but not get personal. There's really no need. It's fucking 'art' for cryin' out loud.
Tanks,
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Solidgld
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USA
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Posted - 11/23/2002 : 02:35:40
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| one word 1826!(3:45 -till the end) That is one rocken song. They all really flow very well there is no song on BLD I wouldn't love to see live. I could care less to see any Pixies song over any song on BLD. The styles have changed I saw it coming on DiTS which had a couple on less favorites for me. BLD is the best cd ever DW is also great. Each cd gets better and better, I love acoustic guitar so BLD is where its at for me you cant get better!. |
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Ten Percenter
- FB Enquirer -
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1733 Posts |
Posted - 11/23/2002 : 12:35:43
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| Roots music - folk/blues, whatever - is not frilly to me. If it comes from the heart it has plenty of guts. I never was any good at anatomy. Keep your diverse styles going Frankus |
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St. Francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
548 Posts |
Posted - 11/23/2002 : 12:55:52
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Definitely think change is good. Frank's direction is impeccable because it is always fresh and innovative. I Love the pedal steel and the honesty of BLD and DW also rocks. Really, if he wasn't so multi-demensional then would he be as prolific as he is? If he was still doing the same stuff he did 10 years ago now then frankly, Frank would be rather boring.
Great musicians -or people who I identify as such- like Dylan, the Clash, Bob Marley, Sloan and Beck have been experimental and changed from album to album...if they didn't they wouldn't have built up the body of work they did. So if Frank is one of the greatest ever -as most on this site attest to- wouldn't it follow he be innovative as well?
Lord-a-mercy! |
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JamesM
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 11/23/2002 : 13:35:40
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Let's face the facts, BLD is very much a "folk rock" album. Having said that, folk music can absolutley awesome. Dylan or Richard Thompson, anyone? Also, MIRV, who the fuck wants to listen to an artist who confines themself to one genre? I can't make you like the new albums, and that's not my attention, HOWEVER, I think your imperative was to draw a response out of us, as you didn't even really mention why you disliked the new albums in detail. "DURRR THEY DO NOT ROCK" - very uncool, dude.
-Jimmy M. |
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St. Francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
548 Posts |
Posted - 11/23/2002 : 13:42:43
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Would even say BLD is more folk/country and this is not a bad thing either. Anyone ever heard Nashiville Skyline...Brilliant and that was just after Dylan had been "Rocking". Sure there might have been outrage over this as well but it is a great album. Innovation speaks for itself.
Lord-a-mercy!
P.S. Was just surfing around topics and saw that you Mirv listed 85 weeks as one of the most underated songs ever...couldn't this be construed as Folky...just a thought... please no name calling. |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 11/23/2002 : 15:18:10
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say you don't like the album, that's great. you're entitled to your opinion. you can even say you don't like it because it is too folky. that's also valid.
but saying 'R.I.P. rocking frank black.' is copmletely retarded. that's what i, and others, were pointing out. rocking frank is still alive and well.
personally, i'm with others, i'm all for variety. i listen to everything from skinny puppy to frank black to tori amos to KMFDM, etc. i'm not one to start ripping on an artist for taking their music in another direction. |
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 11/23/2002 : 16:21:50
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| Hey, and Devil's Workshop was recorded after Black Letter Days. That sort of de-validates your point. That and Frank citing in a recent interview that he and the band have really been into more rocking songs lately (again, see their recent setlists) |
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 11/23/2002 : 16:25:32
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| I think it's also important to evaluate Frank's body of work. Bossanova, the "lightest" or "least rockin'" Pixies album was followed by their loudest. Teenager of the Year, which despite Thalossocry and a handful of other hard rocking tracks has more easy listening songs than the average Frank album, well Cult of Ray followed that. Black letter Days in turn was followed by Devil's Workshop. |
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carsonwerner
= Cult of Ray =
USA
254 Posts |
Posted - 11/23/2002 : 17:19:42
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| I was surprised how hard they rocked when I saw them in concert last week, I mean even the songs from BLD that you don't think rock that hard on the album, are actually pretty rockin' live. (I think i've said rock enough.) |
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johndietzel
= Cult of Ray =
Burkina Faso (Upper Volta)
464 Posts |
Posted - 11/23/2002 : 20:54:57
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Oh yeah?! Well . . . uhm . . . like . . . my dad's SUV has Michelins. So there.
"I don't trust anything said by a news anchor who doesn't have a believable hairpiece."
Dennis Miller |
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Visiting Sasquatch
= Cult of Ray =
USA
451 Posts |
Posted - 11/23/2002 : 22:11:48
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I eat food.
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Johnny Yen
= Cult of Ray =
USA
408 Posts |
Posted - 11/24/2002 : 13:30:30
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| I have to agree that FB & the C's are really rockin' out on this tour. My ears hurt until the next day around 4pm. I think BLD has a variety of great songs with very different dynamics on it, which is great because I'm sure I have ADD. It's good to hear FB&Cs do something different. If they didn't change from album to album, things would probably get boring after a while. If you only want to hear hard rockin' frank, listen to FB&C self titled over & over (skipping dog gone, of course). That said, maybe Frank actually is a folk singer. He sings, and he is folk, he sings to us folk posting comments. Thelonious Monk was a folk piano player, if you think about it. Labeling an artist as diverse as Frank will only, sooner or later, lead to you being proven wrong. Just keep throwing wads of cash at Frank, shut-up, and listen. love, johnny |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 11/24/2002 : 15:05:38
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| Don't forget, you can take pretty much any song and make it rawk, or make it slow..it really depends on what the band feels like that nite..at least that's how i see it. |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 11/24/2002 : 22:08:50
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave Noisy
Don't forget, you can take pretty much any song and make it rawk, or make it slow..it really depends on what the band feels like that nite..at least that's how i see it.
definitely. |
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idle_hands
- FB Fan -
Chile
53 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2002 : 04:59:25
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hey guys, first post here...
all I can say to MIRV is...
"... I thought that if you had and acoustic guitar
then it meant that you were ... a protest singer,
oh I can smile about it now, but at the time it was terrible...
OH MAMA LET ME GO!"
I guess you all know who wrote that
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Omer
= Cult of Ray =
275 Posts |
Posted - 11/30/2002 : 03:16:19
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| I gotta say I don't know who wrote that... |
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zanni67
= Bio Elf =
643 Posts |
Posted - 11/30/2002 : 10:41:57
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Me either...
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idle_hands
- FB Fan -
Chile
53 Posts |
Posted - 11/30/2002 : 11:38:17
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oohhh...
that would be Morrissey on The Smiths' "Shakespeare's Sister"
funny little song, very underated
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