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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
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 Posted - 02/16/2004 : 16:42:35
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Without starting a whole trash-talking thread, what was the big deal about Conan and Triumph? I totally missed it. I fucking love Triumph, though. Robert Smiegal (sp?) is fucking genius.
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 02/16/2004 : 16:46:18
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yes thank you El Barto. That was my question but everyone just ignored me and proceeded to shit on each other.
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GypsyDeath
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Posted - 02/16/2004 : 16:54:19
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Originally posted by realmeanmotorscutor
yes thank you El Barto. That was my question but everyone just ignored me and proceeded to shit on each other.
"I joined the Cult of Popeye / The CoF required my good eye"
If only i could put in to words the image this put in my head...
Sorry, im turning it in to a trash talking thread, arent i!?
Boys go to Jupiter, Get more stupider,
Girls go to Mars, Become rock stars
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 02/16/2004 : 17:07:33
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I'd guess that the image that comes into your head is people defecating on each other:) you're filthy.
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Little Black Francis
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 02/16/2004 : 17:11:00
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| What happened? What are you talking about Conan and Triumph? |
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GoddessTheory
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 02/16/2004 : 17:16:42
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Well, he's an insult comic dog. He made insult jokes. Canada had a hockey stick up their ass about it.
Do a google search or look in google entertainment news. It's just silly stuff like this:
An Insolent Puppet Roils Canadian Politics
By CLIFFORD KRAUSS
Published: February 16, 2004
ORONTO, Feb. 15 — Conan O'Brien came to Toronto last week, and he nearly started a civil war. Just kidding, sort of.
On a taped segment on Thursday night's "Late Night With Conan O'Brien" on NBC, the puppet Triumph the Insult Comic Dog visited the Winter Carnival in Quebec City and touched the third rail of Canadian politics by telling the Québécois they ought to learn English since they live in North America.
"So you're French and Canadian, yes?" Triumph asked a passer-by in a Continental accent. "You're obnoxious and dull."
If that were not enough teasing along the delicate cultural divide between Francophone and Anglophone Canadians, the puppet told another: "I can tell you're French, you know. You have that proud expression, that superior look."
And of a third, rather plump, man the puppet asked: "Are you a separatist? Maybe you should try separating yourself from doughnuts first."
Worst of all, perhaps, the Toronto audience laughed heartily.
Such dialogue was hardly what Toronto's tourism authorities had in mind when they invited Mr. O'Brien to bring his show here — along with Canadian comic stars like Jim Carrey and Mike Myers — to boost American interest in a city that is still hurting from last year's SARS epidemic.
The four-night production did fill an estimated 700 hotel rooms, and gave some part-time work to scores of stagehands who have had a lot less work in recent months because of SARS and a rising Canadian dollar.
But the seemingly harmless if crass remarks of a puppet created a blaze of protests on the floor of the House of Commons and became fodder for national politicians seeking to win Québécois votes. Canada is in the midst of the biggest political scandal in more than a generation, but the foul-mouthed puppet was still front-page news and heavily covered on national television.
"We can all make jokes about each other but you don't start telling people in Quebec they have to speak another language," said Stephen Harper, a Conservative member of Parliament who is a contender for Prime Minister in elections expected this year. "That's completely unacceptable."
Alexa McDonough, a member of Parliament from the social democratic New Democratic Party, demanded that the show return an estimated $750,000 it received in Canadian taxpayer's promotional money for coming to Toronto. She characterized the puppet act as "vile and vicious."
CHUM television, the local broadcaster, cut the puppetry act out of a rebroadcast of the episode and issued an apology. Leading Quebec politicians generally refused to comment.
Triumph the Insult Comic Dog, a character created by the comic and writer Robert Smigel, appears often on "Late Night." Triumph has landed some controversial shots before, and his targets have included the rapper Eminem and "Star Wars" fans. But his latest television fray could be the biggest since the 1999 "South Park" animated movie "Bigger, Longer and Uncut" farcically depicted a war between Canada and the United States.
Some commentators expressed puzzled amusement at all the fuss. A headline in Saturday's Toronto Star read: "Oh, Canada! We let ourselves be baited by a dog puppet." Nevertheless an editorial in the same issue of The Star said the sketch "wasn't clever it was hateful and, yes, racist."
The editorial went on to say, "O'Brien would never have dared such a stunt at home in New York City with American Hispanics or Jews," and added: "Goodbye, Conan. Don't come back soon."
Political satire is a big part of Canadian culture, and it can be rather ribald. It can also be rather anti-American, with hefty helpings of insults about President Bush and American ignorance about things Canadian. Crude anti-French jokes are not uncommon outside Quebec, but they are generally told in private along with other ethnic humor considered politically incorrect.
One reason nerves became so frayed was that the Triumph the Insult Comic Dog routine came just three weeks after Don Cherry, the CBC hockey commentator and an hero among a certain class of rough-and-tumble Anglophone Canadians, poked fun at French Canadian and European players for wearing protective visors on their helmets.
That remark was one in a string of statements made over the years deemed unfair to Québécois players, leading the CBC to design a seven-second delay system to suppress any future insults before they are broadcast.
Tensions in Quebec have subsided since a 1995 separatist referendum went down to a narrow defeat, and laws designed to protect the French language have been effectively enforced. A pro-federalist premier was elected in Quebec by a landslide last year.
Mr. O'Brien stopped short of an apology, although in his fourth and final taping of the week, he said, "For those of you who don't know me, I'm the guy who was hired to make Don Cherry look good."
Marc Liepis, a spokesman for NBC, said neither Mr. O'Brien nor the network would have any further comment.
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 02/16/2004 : 17:23:57
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Idiots, the lot of them. That's absolutely ridiculous. He would too have dared such a thing in the US and he has! I'm glad he didn't apologize and he better not. People need to learn to laugh at themselves and their stereotypes.
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floop
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Posted - 02/16/2004 : 17:26:52
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GoddessTheory
= Cult of Ray =
USA
675 Posts |
Posted - 02/16/2004 : 17:33:38
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Is he not called "Triumph - The Insult Comic Dog"
Is this not the schtick?
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
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Posted - 02/16/2004 : 18:11:41
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Is he not called "Triumph - The Insult Comic Dog"
Is this not the schtick?
Just cause we tell someone we're going to insult them doesn't give us the right to make them feel bad about themselves.
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Fallopian twinkled. "They accuse us of being paranoids."
"They?" inquired Metzger, twinkling also.
"Us?" asked Oedipa.
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Little Black Francis
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 02/16/2004 : 18:26:05
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Oh, I saw that show. I know Triumph, but only if you say "insult comic dog" afterwards.
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
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Posted - 02/16/2004 : 18:31:35
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If you can't laugh, you can't live, so go kill yourself. Triumph is fantastic. He's a god damn puppet, for god's sake...even though he's a puppet on the arm of Robert Smigel, who's doing all the ripping. I hate people who can't take a joke.
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 02/16/2004 : 18:32:25
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Originally posted by Newo
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GoddessTheory Posted - 02/16/2004 : 17:33:38
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Is he not called "Triumph - The Insult Comic Dog"
Is this not the schtick?
Just cause we tell someone we're going to insult them doesn't give us the right to make them feel bad about themselves.
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"You one of those right wing nut outfits?" inquired the diplomatic Metzger.
Fallopian twinkled. "They accuse us of being paranoids."
"They?" inquired Metzger, twinkling also.
"Us?" asked Oedipa.
yes it does!
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Newo
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Posted - 02/16/2004 : 18:39:23
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And of a third, rather plump, man the puppet asked: "Are you a separatist? Maybe you should try separating yourself from doughnuts first."
Wow, slagging a fat person for being fat. Can't get any better than this!
You wanna laugh El Barto, try Bill Hicks - there was a comedian with soul instead of spite.
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"You one of those right wing nut outfits?" inquired the diplomatic Metzger.
Fallopian twinkled. "They accuse us of being paranoids."
"They?" inquired Metzger, twinkling also.
"Us?" asked Oedipa.
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SpudBoy
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 02/16/2004 : 18:42:30
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I think we are all overlooking a huge issue here. The Canadian people actually have a television station called CHUM? That's frozen pieces of dead fish fer chrissakes!!! No wonder they're the short bus kids of our continent (well, aside from Arkansas).
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Little Black Francis
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 02/16/2004 : 20:10:31
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Newo
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 02/16/2004 : 18:39:23
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And of a third, rather plump, man the puppet asked: "Are you a separatist? Maybe you should try separating yourself from doughnuts first."
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Wow, slagging a fat person for being fat. Can't get any better than this!
You wanna laugh El Barto, try Bill Hicks - there was a comedian with soul instead of spite.
Sorry, El Barto has never heard of Bill Hicks, and probably never will.
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ProverbialCereal
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Posted - 02/16/2004 : 20:41:10
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I'm pretty sure i taped this episode with Triumph. As far as I'm concerned it was hilarious. If people are offended by it (not just Canadians) then I'm sorry
I have no way to make a video clip of this... plus it would be illegal. But maybe I could type up some of the comments.
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 02/16/2004 : 20:46:30
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I don't know how illegal it would be. it's on public tv and you're allowed to tape. hmhmhmm.
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ProverbialCereal
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Posted - 02/16/2004 : 20:49:47
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well... I still have no way to do it! ha.
for the record, I'm not sorry if the INSULT dog offends you... I'm sorry that you can't experience laughing at Triumph
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Picapiedra
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Posted - 02/16/2004 : 22:44:07
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I some how doubt that I'll ever get to see the French-Canadian clip on line, but there's still some pretty good ones here.
http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Late_Night_with_Conan_O'Brien/video/triumph.shtml
I didn't hear the Brits in an uproar when Triumph told Simon to "Go back to England, bitch"
"...That's like poop telling vomit that it stinks!" Hah!
-roger.
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speedy_m
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Posted - 02/16/2004 : 22:46:35
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| Everyone offended by this needs to take one large chill pill, three times daily. I thought the bug up everyones ass died after the referendum, but apparently a dog puppet can still get them all riled up. Same thing with Cherry's comments. Or Janet's nipple. Aren't their any real things for people to get upset about? They'd rather spew bile at a dog with a hand up its ass than tackle real issues? I'm sure the largest problems currently facing the people of Quebec are not what Robert Smigel has to say (in jest). This came up in the House of Commons? I for one am embarrassed as a Canadian that politicians that I've elected have wasted their breath on this non-issue. I suppose any day that goes by that they don't have to discuss something of relevance is day they can take it easy. If Triumph (who is freaking hilarious, in my opinion. along with Conan) wants to come to Saskatchewan and make fun of the people (and there is plenty of comedic fodder here, I assure you), he's more than welcome. I'll be laughing all the way to the Pixies concert. |
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Little Black Francis
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 02/16/2004 : 22:55:50
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| what he said |
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 02/16/2004 : 23:30:45
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what HE said. Speedy you should put a big MALE symbol as your sig.
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
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Posted - 02/16/2004 : 23:31:55
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Originally posted by Little Black Francis
what she said
Oh boy do I wish I could change my name... |
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
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Posted - 02/16/2004 : 23:42:24
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Thanks realmean, I think I will. Though BIG ain't really my style...
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IceCream
= Quote Accumulator =
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Posted - 02/16/2004 : 23:45:04
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| Mike, is there any possibility that your attempts to symbolize that you are a man will be construed as attempts to symbolize that you like men? |
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
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Posted - 02/16/2004 : 23:50:26
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Oh! Isn't there any room for a straight male in this world anymore? Why must everyhthing be a gender issue? Of course I prefer the company of men, who doesn't? And I happen to have a very queer eye, for straight guy. Oh well, if the gents think I'm bent, they needn't worry. I'm not looking for love on fb.ent. How sad would that be! Honestly...
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IceCream
= Quote Accumulator =
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Posted - 02/16/2004 : 23:53:03
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It'd be very sad if you were looking for love on a nonexistent site called "fb.ent"
Seriously though, I understand. |
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
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Posted - 02/17/2004 : 00:09:49
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Well, it's not like fb.net exists either! (Actually, it does http://www.fb.net now that's some fine businness!) And that whole rant above was purely jocular, of course. (And a none-too-subtle dig at a certain forum moderator).
Anyway, the new signature should explain everything to everyone. What's new, pussycat?
I am:  Seeking:  For:  To Make:  |
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
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Posted - 02/17/2004 : 00:11:41
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Translation:
I am: Tom Jones Seeking: Supermodel(nude) For: Deep Neck Smelling To Make: Alfalfa
I am: Seeking: For: To Make: |
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IceCream
= Quote Accumulator =
USA
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Posted - 02/17/2004 : 00:15:17
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| We get a lot of famous people posting here. Frank Black, J. Mascis, Mike Rutherford, Pamela Anderson, and Tom Jones. Dave was right - this message board is very popular! |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 02/17/2004 : 00:44:53
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| Wooh, I missed Pamela Anderson's appearance on the board. I hope no one caught hepatitis. |
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Newo
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Spain
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Posted - 02/17/2004 : 02:02:17
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oh I wasn't offended. Only I was getting at I could understand why someone fat might have cause to feel hurt when strangers comment on his doughnut intake. That said, the rest seemed blown out of proportion grotesquely. Oh well. Spoze its a small price to pay for The Simpsons and Rich Hall.
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"You one of those right wing nut outfits?" inquired the diplomatic Metzger.
Fallopian twinkled. "They accuse us of being paranoids."
"They?" inquired Metzger, twinkling also.
"Us?" asked Oedipa.
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model consumer
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Posted - 02/17/2004 : 06:22:40
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well, re: Triumph the Insult Comic Dog, I think he's fucking hilarious.
I saw the tape from Quebec. There was an old man who spoke French only who laughed at Triumph when an interpreter translated for them. There was a young couple who were bilingual and answered "yes" when asked if they were Separatist. Then a pause... Triumph: "Do you hear that?... That is the sound of no one caring!" hahaahahah ahhhh yes, sweet comedy.
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Steak n Sabre
* Dog in the Sand *
Uzbekistan
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Posted - 02/17/2004 : 08:07:59
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Didn't Triumph get into a spat with Eminem as well??
Your 15 minutes are up when you start a fight with a puppet....
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mcmikey
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Posted - 02/17/2004 : 08:26:12
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so I guess now wouldn't be the best time to tell the story about how I fucked Kermit up in a bar brawl one night, huh?
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