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frank_black_francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
895 Posts |
 Posted - 02/09/2004 : 15:40:14
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When I first heard a Pixies song (Broken Face)....it was 1987. My initial reaction was, 'did the Femmes go heavy and take on a chick?'....although I can honestly say that I have never seen it mentioned before, I really do think that the Violent Femmes exerted considerable influence on Chuck Thompson (it is plain as day if you listen to his pre-Pixie demos)[it is also worth noting that the Violent Femmes toured extensively to receiving followers up and down the New England college circuit from 82 to 85]....anyone else notice this?
"Dated Dean, Married Kerry....Finger-Banged Kucinich" (John Stewart) |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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frank_black_francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
895 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2004 : 15:51:20
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2004 : 15:55:57
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I'm like a proud father sometimes.
 "I joined the Cult Of Cheese/E-Damn!" |
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shooz
- FB Fan -
USA
42 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2004 : 16:05:56
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| Cheesman -- that is something else! I noticed you thanked Christophe at the beginning, is he still around? We used to correspond back in the day... |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2004 : 16:07:50
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To be honest, I thanked him not having ever talked to him. The resources on the website were invaluable though.
"I joined the Cult Of Cheese/E-Damn!" |
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model consumer
- FB Fan -
USA
128 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2004 : 18:15:58
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FB has never made any secret of the once-great Violent Femmes', particularly frontman Gordan Gano's influence on him
This has been discussed already in the short time that I've been here in a different section. Anyway, both Gano and FB were heavily influenced by Lou Reed/Velvet Underground, and I think this is another factor enhancing their occasional similarties.
Cheesman-- I have quickly skimmed your wonderful thesis. Unless I missed something, I think you need to rewrite it to properly address the Reed/VU influences.
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Edited by - model consumer on 02/09/2004 18:16:51 |
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buffalo burger
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Posted - 02/09/2004 : 21:24:27
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it's funny that you mentioned it i was JUST listening to violent femmes yesterday and realizing the same thing and thinking "A great show would be VF with the pixies"
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hibster
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102 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2004 : 05:14:55
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Just as long as the Pixies don't play any songs in their underpants a la femmes...
this is why events unerve me |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 02/10/2004 : 05:22:19
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| I believe Frank joined Reed for a guest appearance on Gordon Gano's solo album. Though I heard of Violent Femmes years ago, the only song I really known is there infamous 'Blister In The Sun'. I think FB did say they were an influence before. |
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benji
> Teenager of the Year <
New Zealand
3426 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2004 : 05:29:40
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The Violent Femmes were fabulous.
now they're not.
but their first few albums were top-notch and i agree that franky must have been influenced in some way by their sound....
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mun chien andalusia
= Quote Accumulator =
Italy
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Posted - 02/10/2004 : 05:57:29
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the violent femmes are great.i would reccomend "hallowed ground" to anyone interested to a first listen though the s\t is the one that made them famous and the only one that had commercial success.pitty their official site is one of the worse i've ever seen...
http://www.vfemmes.com/
 join the cult of errol\and you can have a beer\without having to quit smoking
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benji
> Teenager of the Year <
New Zealand
3426 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2004 : 06:03:20
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what a terrible website - enough to loose fans!
but i agree, i think hallowed ground is my favourite of all their albums, with 'never tell' being the best of all their songs....
"I joined the Cult of Frank / All i got got was some fucking eggs!" |
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hibster
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Posted - 02/10/2004 : 06:32:29
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I always liked "Add It Up" & "Gone Daddy Gone" best.
Great to bounce around to!
this is why events unerve me |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2004 : 07:56:05
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I'm listening to the femmes right now
there catalogue seems a bit varied
but I love all I got from them
 "I joined the Cult of Frank/Nobody wanted to join my Culf" |
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Atheist4Catholics
= Cult of Ray =
USA
925 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2004 : 08:02:05
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Frank listed "Gone DaddyGone" as one of his 10 favorite songs. I can't remember what magazine that article was in...
 "Join the Cult of Frank / or The Clops gets it!" |
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ObfuscateByWill
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 02/10/2004 : 08:32:22
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Originally posted by benji
what a terrible website - enough to loose fans!
but i agree, i think hallowed ground is my favourite of all their albums, with 'never tell' being the best of all their songs....
"I joined the Cult of Frank / All i got got was some fucking eggs!"
Agreed.
The Violent Femmes were one of my favorite groups until I saw them play live. It was such a disappointment.
There's a thread covering that someplace.
*Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. |
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1772 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2004 : 12:05:25
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chineselover
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
348 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2004 : 08:41:04
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The violent femmes have been the best gigs I have been to!! I would recommend anyone see them live - absolutely fantastic, I know no one until reading the thread above that have said different.
Also frank did indeed do a song with Gordon on his solo album. I attended an interview with Gordon where he said that frank had done a 'marvellous job' on the song. I also went to the first gig that Gordon did in Europe to promote the album. I am going to femmes in May, and then only a few short weeks before I go to see the pixies in phoenix park, Dublin!!!!!! Hopefully closer to the time they will announce another gig that they will headline.
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2004 : 11:02:39
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Originally posted by model consumer
FB has never made any secret of the once-great Violent Femmes', particularly frontman Gordan Gano's influence on him
This has been discussed already in the short time that I've been here in a different section. Anyway, both Gano and FB were heavily influenced by Lou Reed/Velvet Underground, and I think this is another factor enhancing their occasional similarties.
Cheesman-- I have quickly skimmed your wonderful thesis. Unless I missed something, I think you need to rewrite it to properly address the Reed/VU influences.
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"What's all I listen to? It's all freedom rock!"
Please don't tell me I need to rewrite my 1st-graded thesis, you don't know how long it took me.
Also, I think you did miss something, if I remember aright. In the conclusion, I mentioned that I had looked at plenty more bands than those featured in the project, however, the link was too tenuous or whatever. I was trying to justify each inclusion with not only musical evidence but also quotes etc. Others like Neil Young, Jimi Hendrix and more were excluded, not because I don't think they were important to the Pixies, but because their wasn't sufficient support. Its one of the annoying things about writing a research project rather than an opinion-based work.
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benji
> Teenager of the Year <
New Zealand
3426 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2004 : 00:59:40
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what was your thesis for mrcheese?
i don't understand how the postgraduate system works over here, but was it a Honours, or a Masters, or something different?
i haven't had a chance to actually read yours, but i will.
i would post a link to my MSc titled "Responses of diatoms to the influx of tephra into lacustrine environments" but i don't think anyone would be that interested.
"I joined the Cult of Frank / I think that man deserves a DB!" |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 02/12/2004 : 09:56:39
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Only my bachelors degree, i.e. undergraduate. If you're saying that it would be a good masters thesis, you would be my friend...
I'm willing to accept that its not even close though!
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model consumer
- FB Fan -
USA
128 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2004 : 21:32:28
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Originally posted by Cheeseman1000
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Originally posted by model consumer
Cheesman-- I have quickly skimmed your wonderful thesis. Unless I missed something, I think you need to rewrite it to properly address the Reed/VU influences.
Please don't tell me I need to rewrite my 1st-graded thesis, you don't know how long it took me.
Also, I think you did miss something, if I remember aright. In the conclusion, I mentioned that I had looked at plenty more bands than those featured in the project, however, the link was too tenuous or whatever. I was trying to justify each inclusion with not only musical evidence but also quotes etc. Others like Neil Young, Jimi Hendrix and more were excluded, not because I don't think they were important to the Pixies, but because their wasn't sufficient support. Its one of the annoying things about writing a research project rather than an opinion-based work.
Woah now! Take it easy there Cheesy! 
I was not serious in suggesting you rewrite it.
In any case, The Lou Reed/VU link is not tenuous. Two quick examples: 1) The lyrics to "I've been Tired" where Mr. Thompson just flat out says that he wants to be a singer like Lou Reed. 2) The slowed down, mellow break towards the end of "The Sad Punk" bears some stricking similarities to "I'll be your mirror" by the Velvet Underground.
I did not intend any disrespect. Even the most cursory reading of your thesis makes it painfully obvious that a lot of work went into it and I think it's just very very cool.
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DeBased
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 02/12/2004 : 22:24:47
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The Femmes are great, and they are great live. If anyone hasn't listened to them, you should check into it - its classic stuff! I am enjoying reading Cheeseman's thesis in my spare time. Thanks for posting it.
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benji
> Teenager of the Year <
New Zealand
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Posted - 02/13/2004 : 07:16:07
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Originally posted by Cheeseman1000
Only my bachelors degree, i.e. undergraduate. If you're saying that it would be a good masters thesis, you would be my friend...
I'm willing to accept that its not even close though!
don't be too hard on yourself....
how long were you given to complete it?
sorry, but i still haven't had a chance to read it yet.....
but i would think it would need to be expanded to have made it a Masters - atleast in NZ.
our masters programs are 2.5 years long, with 1.5 to write your thesis...
my thesis ended up 165 pages excluding appendices.
i gather it's quite different here in the UK.
you going onto postgraduate?
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MrSelfDestruct
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 02/13/2004 : 09:33:51
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very enjoyable read...thanks.
did you get all your tabs from the sites listed at the end? some are a lot different from the tablature on this site |
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
2674 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2004 : 10:11:11
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Saw the femmes in Dublin bout 4-5 yrs ago and they kicked posterior.
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"You one of those right wing nut outfits?" inquired the diplomatic Metzger.
Fallopian twinkled. "They accuse us of being paranoids."
"They?" inquired Metzger, twinkling also.
"Us?" asked Oedipa.
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 02/13/2004 : 10:28:32
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
2674 Posts |
Posted - 02/14/2004 : 04:40:32
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Thatīs where they were last time. Havenīt been to the Olympia in a couple years but if they still havenīt cleaned the place it should be appropriate.
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"You one of those right wing nut outfits?" inquired the diplomatic Metzger.
Fallopian twinkled. "They accuse us of being paranoids."
"They?" inquired Metzger, twinkling also.
"Us?" asked Oedipa.
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 02/14/2004 : 04:49:43
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Originally posted by Carl
They're playing the Olympia Theatre, Dublin, Sunday 2nd of May.
and london astoria on the 3rd i think... wish i could go but too many expensive gigs and stuff now with the pixies reunion stuff! hopefully they'll do a full uk tour...
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bug
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Posted - 02/14/2004 : 04:56:19
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I bought Come On Pilgrim when it came out because of a review that said it sounded 'like a cross between Violent Femmes and Talking Heads'. Still not sure if I agree but still, if it hadn't been for the VFs I may have missed out!
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 02/14/2004 : 07:55:33
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''Screaming as she fell, but I never heard her hit''
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''I'm going down to the barn with a never stopping pain, I'm going down the the barn to hang myself in shame''
ohh yes, it's a creepy record
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Hey
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 02/17/2004 : 17:37:13
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GAG!! PUKE!! It's bad karma to compare Pixies to Violent Femmes.
Frank Black doesn't sound like a prissy cry-baby singing in a 69 Volkswagen Bug driving down a grated dirt road!
God the VF's get on my nerves!!...
I have to go puke some more! Thanks alot!
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model consumer
- FB Fan -
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128 Posts |
Posted - 02/17/2004 : 18:34:50
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quote:
Originally posted by Hey
GAG!! PUKE!! It's bad karma to compare Pixies to Violent Femmes.
Frank Black doesn't sound like a prissy cry-baby singing in a 69 Volkswagen Bug driving down a grated dirt road!
God the VF's get on my nerves!!...
I have to go puke some more! Thanks alot!
Jon
Whatever dude. That's cool if you don't like their music, but FB himself cites Gordan Gano of the Femmes as a major influence. It's very easy to hear vocal similarities between the two. And the Violent Femmes have some great fucking songs in my opinion. But like I said, whatever.
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MrSelfDestruct
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 02/17/2004 : 18:45:56
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quote:
Originally posted by Hey
GAG!! PUKE!! It's bad karma to compare Pixies to Violent Femmes.
Frank Black doesn't sound like a prissy cry-baby singing in a 69 Volkswagen Bug driving down a grated dirt road!
God the VF's get on my nerves!!...
I have to go puke some more! Thanks alot!
Jon
i definitely here the influence of the violent femmes in the pixies music. they wrote some great fuckin songs when they first came out. i even liked a couple later ones. "Color Me Once" on the crow soundtrack. great song. but to each their own. |
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mun chien andalusia
= Quote Accumulator =
Italy
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Posted - 02/17/2004 : 19:19:27
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quote:
Originally posted by Hey
GAG!! PUKE!! It's bad karma to compare Pixies to Violent Femmes.
Frank Black doesn't sound like a prissy cry-baby singing in a 69 Volkswagen Bug driving down a grated dirt road!
God the VF's get on my nerves!!...
I have to go puke some more! Thanks alot!
Jon
frank black did a song on that prissy cry-baby's solo record.and it's a great record too.
join the cult of errol\and you can have a beer\without having to quit smoking
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