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model consumer
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 Posted - 02/01/2004 : 05:54:55
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I have to admit, I finally heard a couple of their songs, and I can't help it... it's pretty catchy stuff there.
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Atheist4Catholics
= Cult of Ray =
USA
925 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2004 : 06:23:32
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I love the single and the video, has anyone heard the whole album?
The lead singer/guitarist has got to be the most talented musician I've seen in a long time.
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Thomas
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 02/01/2004 : 08:00:59
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I thought the video was a joke. I was in a late 70's early 80's time warp. Queen clones in a bad way. His voice gets annoying fast. With his attitude he'll go by the wayside like a Kevin Dubrow in no time.
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 02/01/2004 : 09:00:04
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are they serious?
nobody seems to know
not even Alice Cooper
(is he serious?)
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Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 02/01/2004 : 10:17:55
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Yeah, I think that it is pointless to discuss the Darkness seriously. They're just a really funny band, with no musical ambitions, I think. Personally, I would never buy the album but I like hearing them or seeing the videos now and then.
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Malax
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/01/2004 : 10:50:32
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The guy was on Frank Skinner and I think he said something along the lines of they take it seriously just not like some bands do. As for their music. Pah, I spit on it. My friend loves them, he is the the same friend who used to have a go saying guns and roses were far better than the pixies. One of his main arguments was the amount of records they sold.
I hate the darkness!
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bedrock_barney
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
871 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2004 : 11:01:32
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They're like Spinal Tap with the amusement factor surgically removed.
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
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Posted - 02/01/2004 : 20:31:20
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Well put, Barney. I think my husband and I actually said something like those exact words when they played on (was it?) Letterman. The lead singer loves himself as much as Robert Plant ever did, so if narcissism is a measure of success, they're really gonna go far. I'm not hearin the talent either. Just some poorly executed Queen/Zep/Stones rehashing, ala this decades' favorite way to make a buck in the music biz.
I can't make it to the radio to shut it off fast enough when their "hit" song comes on. As far as I have seen, it is unpopular to like Radiohead around this forum, but I love them, and apparently the lead singer for the Darkness says he has advice for Thom Yorke, to the effect that he takes himself too seriously. [Flash] + [Haughty Jabs at major band] = [Media whore gimmick #1]
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 02/01/2004 : 22:07:16
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Originally posted by apl4eris
Well put, Barney. I think my husband and I actually said something like those exact words when they played on (was it?) Letterman. The lead singer loves himself as much as Robert Plant ever did, so if narcissism is a measure of success, they're really gonna go far. I'm not hearin the talent either. Just some poorly executed Queen/Zep/Stones rehashing, ala this decades' favorite way to make a buck in the music biz.
I can't make it to the radio to shut it off fast enough when their "hit" song comes on. As far as I have seen, it is unpopular to like Radiohead around this forum, but I love them, and apparently the lead singer for the Darkness says he has advice for Thom Yorke, to the effect that he takes himself too seriously. [Flash] + [Haughty Jabs at major band] = [Media whore gimmick #1]
"Wir müssen wissen. Wir werden wissen."
I love radiohead. Have you heard the song (too lazy to walk the four feet to my cd rack) with Thom Yorke on PJ Harvey's last album? |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
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Posted - 02/02/2004 : 00:12:50
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The Darkness are stupid.
In five years, no one is going to look back and comment on how 'brilliantly' they regurgitated music from 15yrs previous.
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remig
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 02/02/2004 : 02:04:09
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The problem with the Darkness is that they're serious. When i first heard "I believe in a thing called Love" I first thought it was a joke, but reading some interviews and considering the lyrics it's not.
Electric 6 are far more better, they don't pretend anything and it's 100% fun. (Radio message from HQ, dance commander, we love you!).
The Datsuns are cool too, even if it's deep purple+ac/dc+Led zep because they just do it for fun (you must see them live).
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andyn
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Posted - 02/02/2004 : 03:25:44
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| Honestly, what a bunch of curmudgeons! The Darkness aren't some record company/media creations, they financed the recording of that album themselves and spread the word by relentless gigging until they were signed (and afterwards!)People are listening to it because it's old-fashioned good-time rock and roll - will they be doing so in 5 years time? Who gives a shit?! |
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benji
> Teenager of the Year <
New Zealand
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Posted - 02/02/2004 : 04:17:02
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I agree with what andyn said - they're not pretending to be some groundbreaking/change-music-forever band - they're just a bunch of guys having a blast.
thats not to say they aren't serious in what they do.
personally, i don't fancy their music at all, but ya gotta admire their outfits at least!
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jo
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
516 Posts |
Posted - 02/02/2004 : 04:38:49
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I must stick up for The Darkness too - my mate runs their UK indie label, and spoke up about them recently on another list - but they're a damn hardworking band, who will put everything into each show - and it's a damn good live show!
I wouldn't go out and buy the album, but hell, last year at Reading, they were my highlight, they got the crowd into a great mood and suited the festival atmosphere perfectly - mind, you'd probably only need to see them the once. Their music isn't my cup of tea, but then their show is a damn good one. If that makes sense?
My own personal favourite is the bass player :) |
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model consumer
- FB Fan -
USA
128 Posts |
Posted - 02/02/2004 : 05:11:44
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Thank you two for providing a reasonable voice to the pro-darkness side!
Honestly the stuff I've heard is just infectious. As someone on a completely different forum I frequent wrote about them, "...Ridiculous, outrageous, stupid, and brilliant!"
Their music gives me a good feeling. It reminds me of everything I liked about Def Leppard (back when Pyromania came out), Queen, Thin Lizzy, stuff like that...
Re: the Kevin Dubrow comment (see Post by Thomas): That's a low blow man, Kevin Dubrow was the singer for Quiet Riot. The singer from The Darkness can actually sing so he's got a big advantage over Dubrow from the get go. I really don't see any similarities between the singers or the bands. (Well, ok there is some bad glam metal fashion overlap.) There is a superficial similarity between their music, but I would say that is mainly because Quiet Riot only was able to have hits by covering Slade, a band that no doubt was an influence on The Darkness.
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Thomas
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 02/02/2004 : 06:06:30
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My Dubrow comment was for his attitude. I liked Quiet Riot when they "arrived" on the scene, but all the interviews with Dubrow turned me off real quick. Too cocky. That's how I felt when I heard The Darkness singer.
The Datsuns were my secret CD of 2003. I liked it but was afraid to tell anyone.
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benji
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 02/02/2004 : 06:19:48
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The Datsuns were my secret CD of 2003. I liked it but was afraid to tell anyone.
i think the datsuns are directly comparable to the darkness, both in music style and band ethic.
they toiled away for many years in total obscurity, in NZ of all places, until somehow they just got spotted and nabbed and then went ballistic.
similarly, i dislike their music considerably, but you are of course, allowed such indulgences.
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interloper
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 02/02/2004 : 06:22:38
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I hate this band as well. The sincerity level is confusing, and well...what's the point? There's bands out there now that are entirely sincere, and still sound and look like retard 70's Sweet fans. (I like the Sweet, don't get me wrong). I for one and so sick of the 70's raping our creative culture. Kids nowadays can't tell the difference between irony gone haywire and sincerity. I think it would all benifit from more sincerity personally. Creatively that is. But if the Electric Six are indeed sincere, then they look dumber than they did when I thought they were making a feeble attempt to be funny.
Im off the soap box now, I promise...sorry.
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remig
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 02/02/2004 : 06:40:23
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The Datsuns= AC/DC 2003
The Darkness= Queen/Def Leppard 2003
I've never heard someone said AC/DC are un-cool, not like Queen or Def Leppard
Who looks like a drag queen...?
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jo
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 02/02/2004 : 09:35:50
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oh god, we saw The Datsuns at Reading this year - they were soooo dull! (sorry all Datsuns fans). They played just before The Darkness, and weren't suited to the larger stage - they'd have been better in the slightly smaller NME tent (or whatever its called nowadays) - my whole theory that day was that the Electric Six on the big stage, finishing with their Radio GaGa cover (where the entire croud claps along most of the time) followed by The Darkness, would have been bloody ace. As it was, after The Darkness, Electric Six were a bit dull (and I've seen em 3-4 times now, it was their weakest show so far).
I should also be a line up deciding the order kind of person, I think :)
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
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Posted - 02/02/2004 : 10:54:54
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Perhaps i was a little harsh.. I'm glad to hear they work hard and put on a good show - it is show business after all.. I just don't get why they'd work so hard to do something that's already been done..?
I guess they're just in it for the 'now', and i can appreciate that. |
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Crispy Water
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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Posted - 02/02/2004 : 16:30:40
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I don't think I've ever heard of this band The Darkness, and by what I'm reading I'm not sure I really want to. However, I can't understand why anyone can still complain that derivative music gets popular. How often does anything groundbreaking even get noticed by the masses, much less commercially successful? I really don't care myself, let everyone listen to the next "retro wave" of music that was boring the first time; just maintain your personal drive to seek out something you truly like. Trends don't have to be bad - the problem is with people pretending to enjoy something just so they can talk about it with every second person they bump into.
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MangyKid
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Posted - 02/02/2004 : 17:15:03
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jo
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/03/2004 : 03:38:42
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Originally posted by Dave Noisy
I just don't get why they'd work so hard to do something that's already been done..?
but realistically, isn't most things? I mean, I can't understand someone who might want to follow them around on tour, cause apparently they do a similar routine each night - but for one offs it's worth it for the fun of it all - I mean, never in a billion years did I ever think I'd be at a festival clapping in the air.. .but I just did..!
and I wasn't that drunk either :)
plus I love panto. So maybe its me missing my once-yearly fix of "it's BEHIND YOU!" and "oh no it isn't!!" and stuff like that..! |
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model consumer
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128 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2004 : 19:19:47
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Originally posted by Thomas
My Dubrow comment was for his attitude. I liked Quiet Riot when they "arrived" on the scene, but all the interviews with Dubrow turned me off real quick. Too cocky. That's how I felt when I heard The Darkness singer.
Fair enough. For those of you lucky enough to not know who he is Kevin Dubrow was known for shooting his mouth off in interviews and thusly revealing his total idiocy.
That being said, sir, I don't see the comparison at all. You are basing it on your personal take on the singer's vocal and video performance, then comparing it to the attitude expressed by words in interviews by another singer. Singing/performance/vibe versus actual words/ideas. Thems apples and oranges there, bro.
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128 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2004 : 19:26:25
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Originally posted by Dave Noisy
I just don't get why they'd work so hard to do something that's already been done..?
Because it's not already been done. They are not covers. They are not a tribute band.
King Solomon of the old Testament is the man to whom we attribute the saying "There is nothing new under the sun." Talk about an ancient quote! If it was true then, then even more so now... Sorry to be so pedantic, but I thought it more polite then just saying "bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit," which would more accurately express what I feel (rather than what I think.)
I could probably count on my fingers the bands I can think of off the top of my head that I really like that I think are original (more or less). Pixies would probably be one of them. On the other hand, there are many many bands that I truly like that are not doing something that's "new" or "original" as I would define it, but I still consider them worthwhile. I would say The Darkness certainly fall into this category. There's no accounting for taste, as they say.
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andyn
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Posted - 02/04/2004 : 02:15:09
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| Jo makes a good point - I saw The Datsuns and The Darkness on the same day at Leeds Festival last summer. Half an hour after the Datsuns set I'd forgotten all about it - no stage presence and no tunes. |
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interloper
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 02/04/2004 : 06:33:38
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I just heard the I believe in a thing called love song again. If people enjoy the stuff then that's cool. It's just music after all, it really doesn't mean a whole lot. I guess what confuses me is the fact that six or seven years ago, I don't think they would have been allowed to exist at all. Everyone in the world would have seemingly chuckled and called them the Dokken that they are. (remember all the shit that Kingdom Come band caught in the late eighties for sounding exactly like Led Zeppelin? They were instantly cast into the critics lake of musical fire and spat on). Nowadays, people are a bit quicker to ebrace them. It's that irony thing again. Public tastes change so rapidly, and seemingly once the ball starts rolling, everyone sees it, and goes for it regardless. It appears to me that the only bands, films, hairstyles, cars, you name it, etc, that are permitted any real popularity at all, are more often than not, exact replica's of something else feebly hiding behind some kind of smirking retro irony. IMHO, I think The Darkness are proof that there is a huge conspiracy to put down's syndrome kids in charge of dishing out our portion fed culture (American and European) in an attempt to gradually lower the standards. (har har) Im kidding of course, but I do believe that standards do indeed decrease all the time, and music is my favorite so it does kind of offend me when the world has to make a little space availiable for White Lion, as if you could ever really replicate the magical majestic wonder of a band with such stature as White Lion. Seriously though, I don't have to listen to it if I don't like it, and Im just bitching. Im gonna mind my own business, get one of those Monkees hairdos, a pair of flaired (bell bottoms!) pants, and act like I give a damn about Motley Crue.
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jo
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/04/2004 : 08:44:06
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depends. I mean, last January, xfm played "Get Your Hands Off My Woman" when we were driving home from a gig in North London. Can't remember who the gig was, but we stopped and stared at the stereo, and then just laughed at some of the words cause it seemed pretty tongue in cheek. Then we found out the following week Radio 1 had picked up on it - except they'd not picked up on the fact the chorus was "get your hands off my woman, motherfucker" which amused me as much as the time Radio 1 played that Rage Against the Machine song by accident many years ago :)
then xfm followed the song by saying "and look out for The Darkness supporting Def Leppard on their forthcoming arena tour"
I'd be interested what Def Leppard fans think... it was like a breath of fresh air (again, that I'd not buy) on a radio station that was getting horribly predictable and boring... |
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ispini tapaidh
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Posted - 02/04/2004 : 09:37:24
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Then we found out the following week Radio 1 had picked up on it - except they'd not picked up on the fact the chorus was "get your hands off my woman, motherfucker" which amused me
Not to mention the 'You c*nt' bit in the song. (sorry for not spelling it out, but I'm new, and don't know if the 'c' word is frowned upon or not).
And I'm with the pro-Darkness crowd on this. They're fun.
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John Dark
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Posted - 02/06/2004 : 20:39:54
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 02/06/2004 : 20:59:22
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They're like Spinal Tap with the amusement factor surgically removed.
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John Dark
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USA
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Posted - 02/06/2004 : 21:05:24
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 02/07/2004 : 01:49:48
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They do put on a good live show, its undeniable. They were the best band I've seen play Jools Holland for ages, but I don't think there's any sort of longevity in the band. I really really think this album will be it for the band.
It was very satisfying, after all, when you heard that the 'runaway favourites' for Christmas No.1 had been replaced by a hugely depressing piano/vocals track from Donnie Darko...
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