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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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 Posted - 01/24/2004 : 07:32:11
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So, John Lydon is early favourite to win 'I'm A Celebrity, Get Me Out Of Here.'
I don't know if this has made it across the pnd, or anywhere else for that matter, but basically its a Survivor-type reality TV show where a bunch of Z-list celebrities are put into a camp in the 'middle' of the 'jungle', and made to eat grubs and things for a couple of weeks. Depending on the viewer vote, they get kicked out as the series progresses, Big Brother style.
As I said, one John Lydon, aka Johnny Rotten is favourite to win, over other non-entities like ugly as sin topless model Jordan, some bint that used to be in a girl band, and some others no one has heard of.
Is this the ultimate sell-out? Did you ever think you'd see the day when the singer of 'Anarchy In The UK' and 'God Save The Queen' would subject himself to such humiliation for a bit of publicity?
Of course, the man's no stranger to a bit of self-promotion, but whatever you thought of the Sex Pistols or PiL, there's no doubting they were reasonably credible and important artists in musical and cultural terms.
So, join me in giving up everything I've held faith in about punk?
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2004 : 08:05:23
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That is a digusting irony, right there. No, the show hasn't made it across the pond yet, but it might has well have. I never watch the network stations anymore. On the bright side, your BBC has brought us a couple of really great shows: "Junkyard Wars" (before it was co-opted by boring US tv producers) and "Rough Science" - man, now that is an incredible tv show!
Well, the Pistols were never really punk, now were they? If you can't get into (old) Dead Kennedys, at least there is one man who stands up for punk, and that is one Jello Biafra.
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Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1973 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2004 : 08:09:46
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No future !
He says "c'est la vie" and takes another dive. |
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SpudBoy
= Cult of Ray =
Equatorial Guinea
649 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2004 : 08:43:55
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For more insight on Mr Lydon, look up the Great Rock n Roll Swindle. Basically it's more promotion disguised as an admission that the Sex Pistols were the equivalent of a boy band. They were constructed by Malcom McLaren and sold to the kids like candy. I'm gonna go listen to a Meatmen record.
 I looked for a cult to join, then decided to just play "Sink". Hey! I sank WallaWalla Washington! |
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Owen
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 01/24/2004 : 09:42:06
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| Actually, I'm afraid to admit that I) it made it across the pond and II) I watched a couple of episodes. I can't think of any of the contestants though. Wait, Bruce Jenner was there and, oh yeah, Robin Leach and Downtown (Why is she the "downtown" one anyway? It's because she's black isn't it?) Julie Brown. They're both Brits, right? Most of the others I'd never even heard of. |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 01/24/2004 : 10:30:38
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I've never heard of any of them, so I guess thats proving my point.
And whether to consider the Pistols punk or not? Ooh, sticky one.
I'd say, yes, they are the most commercial and manufactured band ever, but I still think they're important to punk. It put the willies up a few stuffy old ladies, and that can't be a bad thing.
So he has previous form as a self-promoting puppet.
However, for a man who spent so much time railing against exactly this sort of thing, and being a pineapple-headed 'cultural commentator', I think this is just hugely hypocritical of JL.
After all, I think Public Image Ltd made some of the most challenging and inventive music of the post-punk era, and for the man to stoop so low... eeeuch.
I bet Jah Wobble wouldn't do this.
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 01/24/2004 : 14:10:35
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Originally posted by Owen
Downtown (Why is she the "downtown" one anyway? It's because she's black isn't it?) Julie Brown.
I'm pretty sure she gave herself that name. She certainly embraced it, though I guess many would say that demonstrates simple subversion by the Man. |
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GypsyDeath
Zapped Profile
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Posted - 01/24/2004 : 14:23:51
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I was very surprised on hearing this. i think Lydon has just given up on his old morals and ethics.
I think that all he ever craved was attention. But on the other hand I think that it could be veery very interresting....
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 01/24/2004 : 16:20:57
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Originally posted by GypsyDeath
I was very surprised on hearing this. i think Lydon has just given up on his old morals and ethics.
Look at the Sex Pistols. If they'd quit after the first reunion tour, I think they'd have retained their dignity. Now they're just as irrelevant as everything they replaced in '77.
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2004 : 16:36:53
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I think you're right. Punk was supposed to be a short sharp shock right? Yet pretty much every band reformed, or never gave up when they should, and look at them now, a bunch of sad old men playing outdated music like its still relevant.
There are so few of the original punk bands that gave up at the right time. Dead Kennedys, The Clash (sort of), Crass (who always said they would split in 1984 - and did). Um, thats about it.
On a lighter note, its good to see the Gunn and his boys doing a reunion tour.
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SpudBoy
= Cult of Ray =
Equatorial Guinea
649 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2004 : 18:00:35
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I tend to disagree. Punk was never meant to be anything, other than what it became through collective thought and action. Many bands and information outlets that were active then, are now and continue to be relevant to the modern politics and issues without having to go through the indignant act of a media soaked reunion. Pick up a copy of Punk Planet, Maximum Rock and Roll, or any other appealing 'Zine you can find to get a sense of what's going on under the sheen of mass produced garbage. Better yet, go to a local show and find out what the locals are doing. There are going to be style mongering kids in every subbacultcha, but there are occasionally some people with intent there as well if you can tolerate the signal to noise ratio. It was the same way then. For the record, I am not the authority of what is and isn't punk...just what it is and isn't to me, under which constructs there cannot be an official voice, so make your own movement.
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 01/25/2004 : 07:53:49
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| SpudBoy, I agree with what you say. I don't care about the labels put on music-- you either like the music for what it is or you don't. You realize this as you grow up and start thinking about what's right for you and not what other people think. But none of this makes the Sex Pistols any more relevant. |
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cvanepps
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 01/25/2004 : 08:51:36
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I'm quicker to defend John Lydon than I am someone like Iggy Pop (who has sold Lust for Life to that Carribean Cruise advert here in the states and every time I hear that song now, I think of boats and stingrays).
Anyway, I'm quicker to defend him because Lydon was always a little more media-savvy than the others. For instance, Lydon appeared on an episode of Judge Judy, a "People's Court" type show in USA and a show I've always enjoyed, and it was positively hilarious. I've also seen his VH1 show, his Politically Incorrect appearances, and I've listened to his webcast radio show on the defunct eYada network. They've all been entertaining on one level or another but the one thing they had in common was this: Lydon tends to turn a mirror to face the camera in an act of self-parody. He's very intelligent and unafraid to voice his opinion.
Does all this excuse this latest move to be on this silly "reality show?" Consider that we don't know what his finances are. Sure, he finished a Sex Pistols Reunion tour a couple years ago but he might have been in big debt before then. I think I was one of the few in the States to buy his really great solo album, Psycho's Path.
My point is that John's got expenses too. Unlike Frank Black having the Pixies, Lydon can't rely on royalties for Sex Pistols records and certainly not PiL records, for income.
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
Posted - 01/26/2004 : 04:50:59
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Thinking about it, I'd rather see Malcolm McLaren get eaten by snakes. Now there is a prize muppet.
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bedrock_barney
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/26/2004 : 05:11:04
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Celebrity...' really is a dreadful programme. I pretty much hate all of the these so called reality shows. I forced myself to watch Big Brother once so that I could at least have some kind of informed opinion. The expression 'watching paint dry' sprang to mind.
John Lydon is simply out to make money. As is everyone else on the show. They've got to earn money somehow I guess. And people will watch. Saying that, people would probably watch paint dry if it was on the telly. They do on Changing Rooms.
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benji
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New Zealand
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Posted - 01/26/2004 : 06:04:44
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i think Peter Andre will win - how on earth can you expect to compete with a someone who'd got a body like this:
but seriously, i'm just hanging out to see some big boobies!
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