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KingOfSiam
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 Posted - 11/11/2002 : 13:34:57
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Have you ever seen "The Conversation" with Gene Hackman?
12 Monkeys? Memento? Fight Club? Donnie Darko?
Help me out... I want to know some more crazy, mindfuck movies!! |
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theonecontender
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Canada
565 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2002 : 14:13:31
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"Gummo". A very crazy movie that leaves you in a strange mood after all is said and done. Another one: "Pi". Wicked background sound, creative plot, all around insanity.
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steveplymouthuk
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United Kingdom
639 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2002 : 15:25:12
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Fear and loathing in las vegas every time.my favourite film.
Brilliant script and screenplay, and Depp is brilliant.
A very spun out film. Anyone agree?
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mdisanto
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USA
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Posted - 11/11/2002 : 15:33:10
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yah fear and loathing is whacky as hell, Pi is a good movie if you like that kinda thing, along with Requiem for a Dream. vanilla sky is pretty whacky too, and clockwork orange incase you havent seen it is pretty interesting. otherwise just go out and see the godfather 1 and 2, they wont disappoint
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floop
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Mexico
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Posted - 11/11/2002 : 15:37:19
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Originally posted by KingOfSiam
Have you ever seen "The Conversation" with Gene Hackman?
12 Monkeys? Memento? Fight Club? Donnie Darko?
Help me out... I want to know some more crazy, mindfuck movies!!
it's funny you bring that up "mindfuck movies".. because i was just talking about this with someone.. there's definitely a difference between a "psychological thriller" (which is kind of a vague term as it is) and a true mindfuck movie, in my opinion.. a mindfuck movie involves some sort of twist where you're like "what the fuck?" and leave the audience with some ambiguity, instead of wrapping everything up..
some other true mindfuck films:
JACOB'S LADDER
ROSEMARY'S BABY
THE INNOCENTS (1960)
THE OTHERS (based on THE INNOCENTS)
also mindfuck, but make "sense" in the end:
THE USUAL SUSPECTS
THE SIXTH SENSE
PI
DRESSED TO KILL
RAISING CANE
DIABOLIQUE
DOUBLE JEAPORDY
VERTIGO
OBSESSION
KISS ME DEADLY
FEMME FATALE (just saw this and it was horrible, but does qualify as "mindfuck")
i'll try to think of more..
Floop
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mdisanto
* Dog in the Sand *
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1140 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2002 : 19:07:53
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ooh usual suspects rules! forgot about that one
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Chris Knight
= Cult of Ray =
USA
899 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2002 : 22:00:36
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johndietzel
= Cult of Ray =
Burkina Faso (Upper Volta)
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Posted - 11/12/2002 : 00:02:12
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Originally posted by floop
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Originally posted by KingOfSiam
Have you ever seen "The Conversation" with Gene Hackman?
some other true mindfuck films:
JACOB'S LADDER
ROSEMARY'S BABY
THE INNOCENTS (1960)
THE OTHERS (based on THE INNOCENTS)
also mindfuck, but make "sense" in the end:
THE USUAL SUSPECTS
THE SIXTH SENSE
PI
DRESSED TO KILL
RAISING CANE
DIABOLIQUE
DOUBLE JEAPORDY
VERTIGO
OBSESSION
KISS ME DEADLY
FEMME FATALE (just saw this and it was horrible, but does qualify as "mindfuck")
i'll try to think of more..
Floop
ROSEMARY'S BABY: I just love that movie. I never much liked Roman Polanski, but to me this one is 200x better as "spawn of satan" movie than stupid Omen. Mia Farrow plays it so well and plus it has Elisha Cook cameo and that opening theme (sung--hummed--by Mia). I love the ending too.
THE OTHERS (based on THE INNOCENTS): Haven't seen the latter (recommended?) but I thought the Others was really good. I like to be able to "latch" onto a certain director or score composer and follow their stuff to see if it can be consistently good. So as I started the Others I was digging the opening theme music and was delighted to read that it was composed by the director (ala John Carpenter, but much more elaborate). I was automatically converted. But honestly Floop, I didn't find much ambiguity by the time it ended (except maybe about the dad).
So have you guys seen the disturbing movie the Other? It's like 70s era I think, but creepy. I think it was scandinavian made or something. Weird thing is, I think John Ritter was in it maybe.
The Conversation: I love that movie too. Just kind of droning and paranoid. Reminds me of Marathon Man kind of, but understated. Gotta love Gene Hackman playing the sax in his completely ransacked apartment as the film closes.
Maybe a few others that come to mind:
Charade with Cary Grant and Audrey Hepburn and James Coburn and George Kennedy and Walter Mathau (dang lots of guys)
Carnival of Souls: Kind of bad movie but trippy and a good drive-in while sitting in the living room, and filmed in large part of the shores of the Great Salt Lake.
Manchurian Candidate: Falls into the latter category of those that are "resolved" eventually, but I love Angela Lansbury and another cool cast (Janet Leigh makes it through the whole movie without getting stabbed to death even once)
The Stranger: Orson Welles AND Edward G. Robinson!!
I keep thinking of more Hitchcock ones but I guess maybe most of them are less mindf**k and more just mystery: The Lady Vanishes, Psycho etc etc etc.
I havent seen Pi, but as I am always talking about wanting a lobotomy, a friend of mine told me I could get a few pointers from the film's protagonist. Incidentally, does anyone know why lobotomies are no longer kosher? I am serious. I have always heard people say "the practice is no longer a part of psychotherapy." But anyone know why? The only thing I've ever heard is that lobotomies seemed to work for a lot of people.
ps: WooHoo-this was my DitS earning post. My favorite thing to be. |
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mdisanto
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1140 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2002 : 03:49:44
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hah i dont think ive ever heard of a successful labotomy. i mean, it doesnt really make sense that removing part of the brain would be good. the only time they do it is for people with seizures and its such a small and specific part of the brain and i think even that may have some negative side effects in terms of brain functioning.
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Little Black Francis
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Posted - 11/12/2002 : 03:52:21
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www.imdb.com learn about movies and shizzle.
Great choices Floop.
My favorite directors, some of which aren't mindfuckers, more mindfarters, but oh well:
Kevin Smith: his trilogy in 5 parts... also anything by anybody from viewaskew(.com) is sick, i.e., Big Helium Dog, Drawing Flies, Vulgar
Quentin Tarantino: Res. Dogs, Pulp Fiction, Jackie Brown, etc.
Martin Scorsese: Taxi Driver, Raging Bull etc.
David Lynch (supreme "mindfucker"): Lost Highway, Eraserhead, Mulholland Drive etc.
Alfred Hitchcock: Psycho etc.
David Fincher: Fight Club etc.
Spielberg, Lucas, and Kubrik are cool too...
I don't know... if you seen all thier movies there's a bunch of other good ones...
"Snooch to the muthaf**kin Nooch" |
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KingOfSiam
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USA
460 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2002 : 08:04:01
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This is hilarious!! Gummo & Charade in the same topic!! I wonder if Cary Grant has ever been to Xenia Ohio (where they filmed Gummo - just south of Dayton)
I really wanted to see the Femme Fatale but I think johndietzel changed my mind. Good movies guys. But I want to hear of some movies that I have never seen. So keep 'em coming!
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floop
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Posted - 11/12/2002 : 10:00:30
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Originally posted by johndietzel
THE OTHERS (based on THE INNOCENTS): But honestly Floop, I didn't find much ambiguity by the time it ended (except maybe about the dad).
john, yeah, you're right.. THE OTHERS does make more sense in the end.. but THE INNOCENTS is left ambiguously. that's why i got them confused. you should definitely check out INNOCENTS if you can find it.
some more i thought of..
VANILLA SKY and ABRE LOS OHOS (the spanish film it was based on)..
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ObfuscateByWill
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1887 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2002 : 11:41:30
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Anything by Jan Svankmajer ("Alice" and "Faust" and just awesome)
"Brazil" (Terry Gilliam directed. He also did 12 Monkeys and Life Of Brian 'n stuff)
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
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Posted - 11/12/2002 : 12:12:14
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I would also recommend anything by David Lynch.. Mulholland Drive was brilliant.
Rent the Twin Peaks TV series too for extended fucked-up-ness. =) |
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Ten Percenter
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/12/2002 : 12:32:39
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| The Conversation is one of my favourite films - good taste KofS! But for bleakness you cannot beat Ingmar Bergman - any fans out there? |
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BrendanT
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
907 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2002 : 12:39:43
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Anyone heard of the Welsh film 'Twin Town'.....if not, go rent it, it is awesome.
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KingOfSiam
- FB LinkMaster -
USA
460 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2002 : 14:12:59
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| How about Sexy Beast? Great movie but you hav to watch with the subtitles on unless your an englishman!!! |
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mdisanto
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1140 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2002 : 15:15:42
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get Delicatessan(spelt wrong im sure) made by the same guy who did Amelie (in french). Oh and Being John Malkavich is so weird if you like that kinda thing
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Little Black Francis
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3648 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2002 : 16:34:09
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| cohen brothers yes |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2002 : 20:23:20
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What about Punch-Drunk Love? Anyone? That movie is insane...it drove me crazy. It filled me with anxiety and made my mind race a mile a minute...really wild and hard to explain. You feel just like Sandlar's character. I'm pretty sure it's the goal of the movie, and it works very well. Definitely worth every cent.
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Little Black Francis
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 11/12/2002 : 22:19:10
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no one mentioned Memento yet either...
"Snooch to the muthaf**kin Nooch" |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
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Posted - 11/12/2002 : 23:31:38
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| Memento was brilliant, but not 'really weird'. |
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MIRV
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Posted - 11/13/2002 : 02:29:32
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12 monkeys: need to see it again.
fight club: great movie. can't say enough good things.
darko: lame as fuck.
my favourites, and you know what, you'd better rent these motherfuckers!!!!!!
-blue collar
-heat
-donnie brasco
-hard core logo (good luck finding it)
-american history x
-basketball diaries
-pi
-dr.strangelove
these are all good movies in their own right. not all are shocking, but fuck you yes they kick ass and have their moments!!!! |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 11/13/2002 : 04:00:35
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Hey KingOfSiam, I loved Femme Fatale. I know DePalma doesn't receive good reviews in the USA but he's quite famous in France, and he happens to be my fave director ever. Phantom Of The Paradise is my Nr.1 movie of all time. Anyway Femme Fatale was great, and even if you don't like the movie you gotta love that chick with the mini-skirt and camouflage boots...
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Little Black Francis
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Posted - 11/13/2002 : 04:07:52
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a cheesy one I watched was Soul Survivors... Eliza is so hot. Great cast, kinda cheese though. But defintely tries (prolly too hard) to be fucked up.
Heathers is kind fucked too, but yall know I have a thing for her.
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bazza
* Dog in the Sand *
Ireland
1439 Posts |
Posted - 11/13/2002 : 04:54:10
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big lebowski is still one of my faves.
if a man is alone in a wood and there is no woman around to hear him - is he still wrong? |
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Solidgld
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USA
104 Posts |
Posted - 11/13/2002 : 05:47:34
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| Clockwork Orange and any Kubrick film. Pacific Heights Michael Keaton is a bring freako in that one. Also, Requiem for a Dream makes you want to be sober. |
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KingOfSiam
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USA
460 Posts |
Posted - 11/13/2002 : 05:57:19
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| If you didn't like Donnie Darko perhaps you should give it another whirl. It was a "Memento" type movie in that I had to watch it twice before I truly understood the plot. Although there is a flaw in the Memento last scene or should I say 1st scene. I used the easter egg to watch the movie in sequential order and the "Jimmy" who gets whacked at the end(or beginning) some how he knows Leonard Shelby, how? This kind of bothered me that they would have a preassumed "relationship" between two characters. Especially when the fun of the movie is that the viewer learns about characters as Leonard does, except the viewer remembers. Anyways - I thought this was weird. |
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Loxosceles
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USA
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Posted - 11/13/2002 : 19:12:24
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No one has mentioned Cronenberg -- Existenz, Videodrome, and Naked Lunch are all thought provoking and strange (maybe grotesque is a good description) although Existenz is the only one I'd call a mindfuck.
Other weird films that come to mind:
Dark City
von Trier's The Element of Crime
a Japanese movie called Tetsuo: The Iron Man.
I liked Donnie Darko and want to see it again. I had to go to the extra features on the DVD to make complete sense of it.
Cohen Bros. -- My favorites are probably Blood Simple and Raising Arizona. The Big Lebowski for some reason just didn't do much for me.
Mulholland Drive is one of my all time favorites. Although people have tried to explain it to death, I think it is best if you just feel the film and not worry about every plot detail.
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Chris Knight
= Cult of Ray =
USA
899 Posts |
Posted - 11/13/2002 : 21:43:30
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| Lots of really good movies mentioned here, like Tetsuo: Iron Man (very weird w/ an excess of grotesque special effects), Pi (I'm a big fan of that whole numerological mysticism motif), Gummo, etc, etc... But seriously, has no one seen Cemetery Man? It's a English horror/dark humor feature with some surreal elements thrown in the mix. If any of youse guys are fans of the Evil Dead movies, without a doubt, you'll dig it. Also, if you're looking for a reality-based strange, I recommend Spanking The Monkey or Chuck & Buck. |
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KingOfSiam
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USA
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Posted - 11/14/2002 : 06:53:32
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Chuck & Buck? I dunno. Chuck & Buck Suck & Fuck made me laugh although. Now Blood Simple - that is a movie! Good call Loxosceles - that is what I was looking for. I think I'll rent it this evening.
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floop
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Mexico
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Posted - 11/14/2002 : 12:13:39
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Originally posted by vilainde
Hey KingOfSiam, I loved Femme Fatale. I know DePalma doesn't receive good reviews in the USA but he's quite famous in France, and he happens to be my fave director ever. Phantom Of The Paradise is my Nr.1 movie of all time. Anyway Femme Fatale was great, and even if you don't like the movie you gotta love that chick with the mini-skirt and camouflage boots...
Denis
agree on the girl in the mini skirt and camouflage .. but i'm sorry man, i thought FEMME FATALE was absolutely ridiculous. i actually like DePalma's stuff too, but i feel like he's sort of falling apart lately. i like RAISING CANE, OBSESSION, and DRESSED TO KILL..
the "twist" in FEMME FATALE was too much. too film school cliche. and the whole heist thing in the beginning was just too implausable not to laugh..
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St. Francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
548 Posts |
Posted - 11/23/2002 : 12:14:13
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See message below this was a massive mistake in trying to reply with a quote...
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Edited by - St. Francis on 11/23/2002 12:19:36 |
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St. Francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
548 Posts |
Posted - 11/23/2002 : 12:17:43
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Dave: Twin Peaks it the best Television series (in my oppinion) ever.
Has anyone seen "Killing Zoe"? It is great too...takes place in France with an English and French cast. Great film about a heist which goes horribly wrong.
Lord-a-mercy! |
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stymie
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Posted - 11/23/2002 : 19:53:18
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| I thought the gummo thing was off the wall, but punch drunk-love is not a great movie I think! What's up ,drew! How about your favorite cartoon! Mine: the robotech series!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 |
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Little Black Francis
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 11/23/2002 : 23:54:22
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13 conversations about one thing" is a good new one...
"Snooch to the muthaf**kin Nooch" |
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