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Hordak
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USA
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 Posted - 11/27/2003 : 01:18:58
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Hey everyone,
What news channel do you watch? What news channel do you think FB watches most, ABC, NBC, or CBS?
Hordak Says: I feel a little bit better now. Ebb Vicious got me off.
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1738 Posts |
Posted - 11/27/2003 : 01:45:43
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I like Dan Rather the best.
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe.
Carl Sagan
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
Posted - 11/27/2003 : 01:56:14
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Shouldn't that be Dan Rather than the best.
Don't worry, I know thats not what you meant.
"What are we going to do tonight, Brain?"
"Same thing we do every night, Pinky: try to take over the world!" |
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jediroller
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1718 Posts |
Posted - 11/27/2003 : 02:07:33
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Hey Hordak, I see in your profile that you met the great Bill Watterson, can you tell us more please? I love Calvin & Hobbes!
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Hordak
- FB Fan -
USA
180 Posts |
Posted - 11/27/2003 : 02:10:43
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Maybe tomorrow, Jediroller, I am too tired and drunk tonight.
Hordak Says: Is there anyone Steve hasn't had sex with?!
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Hordak
- FB Fan -
USA
180 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2003 : 21:32:34
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Okay, Jediroller, if you are still on the forum at some point tonight, I am ready to tell the story about how I met Bill Watterson. It's not really that exciting. Basically, he was doing a book signing, and I just happened to be in the right place at the right time. He enjoys history too, so we got to talking and we actually went out for a cappucino! We only talked for about fifteen minutes or so; he's a pretty busy guy and he had to leave shortly thereafter. But those fifteen minutes were filled with some of the most intellectually-stimulating conversation I have ever had the pleasure of having! He's a great guy -- very smart.
 I joined the cult of Norm Peterson...because I like to drink beer and I'm portly. |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2003 : 23:05:47
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Something for Dallas to refute in a mean way, and everyone else to back me up:
Originally published in Current, Oct. 20, 2003 By Mike Janssen
Misperceptions
What percent of audience members held one or more of three misperceptions about the war? (Source: Program on International Policy Attitudes.)
Fox 80%
CBS 71%
ABC 61%
NBC 55%
CNN 55%
Print media 47%
PBS/NPR 23%
Pubcasters welcomed a study released Oct. 2 [2003] that showed people who turn to public broadcasting for news have the most accurate views of the Iraq war among media consumers.
The study, conducted by the polling firm Knowledge Networks and the University of Maryland’s Program on International Policy Attitudes, also highlighted differences between public broadcasting and its competitors. Fox News Channel and public broadcasting, for example, consistently landed at opposite ends of the spectrum of opinion. Fox viewers were almost four times more likely than public broadcasting’s consumers to hold misperceptions about the war (chart at right).
Conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh seized on the study as a chance to mock NPR and PBS Oct. 8, the same day an irate Bill O’Reilly walked off NPR’s Fresh Air [story]. O’Reilly later told the Philadelphia Inquirer that he took a beating on Fresh Air because NPR and the “far left” are waging a “jihad” against Fox.
Pubcasters commenting on the study refrained from returning the culture-war volleys, though observers noted that the poll does bring out the contrasts between Fox’s brand of journalism and public broadcasting’s reporting.
“What it says is that you’ve got, for lack of better term, a more objective media” in public broadcasting, said Susan Moeller, a media professor at the University of Maryland. “It’s having more voices being heard, and so the listening public or viewing public is coming away from the newscast with the impression that there’s not just one way of looking at something.”
Others said misperceptions might stem in part from viewers choosing media that tends to reinforce their beliefs.
Fox News declined a request for interview.
Not just ideology
The study found that two-thirds of about 3,000 respondents held at least one of three misperceptions:
Iraq was involved in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks or proven to be supporting al-Qaeda; Weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq; and International popular opinion favored the U.S. war against Iraq.
Bush administration officials suggested that an Iraqi official met with al-Qaeda, but their claim has not been proven and was discredited by the U.S. intelligence community. No weapons of mass destruction have been found, and polls have shown that people in many countries opposed the United States going to war against Iraq without United Nations backing.
The study then broke down respondents by their primary news sources.
Public broadcasting’s consumers consistently were the best informed, while Fox viewers were most likely to misperceive.
Education and political affiliation fail to account wholly for the differences. Republican Fox viewers, for example, were still more likely to hold misperceptions than Republican NPR and PBS subscribers.
Further, “48 percent of Democrat supporters who watch Fox News thought the U.S. has found evidence of a direct link to al-Qaeda, but not one single respondent who is a Democrat supporter and relies on PBS and NPR for network news thought the U.S. had found such evidence,” the study said.
After Fox viewers, CBS viewers were the most likely to hold misperceptions, yet CBS is more often accused of liberal, not conservative bias, noted Steven Kull, PIPA’s director and the study’s principal investigator.
Ideology may still play a part, said Mike Clark, reader advocate at the Florida Times-Union in Jacksonville, Fla. “People are gravitating to news sources that they personally agree with, so that they may never come in contact with info that might challenge their assumptions,” he said.
“It’s possible that it’s just somehow driven by networks presenting issues in a way that’s more comfortable to listen to. We don’t know,” Kull said. “But we can say that it isn’t simply a function of the ideological bias of the viewers.”
Bias or balance?
Kull said the study does not prove PBS and NPR deserve all the credit for accurate perceptions held by their audiences. “But there’s no way you cannot believe that it’s a positive indicator,” he said.
Pubcasters likewise took the study as good news. Jeffrey Dvorkin, NPR’s ombudsman, called it “very flattering.” “We’ll take any compliments we can get these days,” he said.
“We go out of our way to make sure that we provide in-depth information and give people more sides of the story. So we actually find it gratifying,” said Rob Flynn, director of communications for PBS’s NewsHour with Jim Lehrer.
Like Flynn, Kull and Moeller suggested public broadcasting’s style of news presentation might partly explain results.
“Within a single news piece, [public broadcasting] does better than others at capturing not just . . . the two sides, but multiple sides in a policy matter or even in an event that has just broken,” Moeller said. “Fox, being more headline news-oriented, tends to be repeating the same piece of information over and over again.
You don’t get the sense of what other experts are saying, or what the second-day story might have been.”
On PBS and NPR, “you don’t have people who are presenting news in a sort of highly charged, opinionated kind of environment,” Kull said.
Limbaugh’s highly charged, opinionated website characterized PIPA’s work as “the silly study that concluded Fox News viewers are stupid.”
Limbaugh said Fox had never deliberately promoted the misperceptions. He also bet that PBS and NPR were not reporting that a recent review of Iraq’s weapons programs showed that “it’s undeniable that a weapons of mass destruction program existed.”
A caller to Limbaugh’s show who called himself Gary suggested, “Let’s take a sample of NPR listeners and see what percentage of them believes flagrantly false propositions about U.S. history or economics or any other subject.”
Limbaugh named Gary “Caller of the Day.”
Rather than concede that public broadcasters might be the most accurate journalists, Limbaugh tried to paint them as the most left-wing. But Flynn, for one, denied the NewsHour belongs at the end of the political spectrum.
The NewsHour often receives criticism of its coverage from all sides of the issues, Flynn said. “We get enough feedback from viewers that forces us to realize we’re about in the middle, despite what conventional wisdom you want to believe,” he said.
Pubcasting attracts charges of lefty bias because it includes a wider range of voices and stories than other media, Moeller said. “If you look at the range of experts, it still tends to skew pretty centrist and not liberal at all—and not particularly conservative at all either,” she said. “But it is not just following the [Bush] administration’s line.”
Posted Nov. 3, 2003
Current
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interloper
= Cult of Ray =
440 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2003 : 05:24:44
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Isn't CBS owned by a bible thumping tobacco baron?
Ive heard this to be true.
"If you don't like my potatoes, please don't dig up my vine" - Elmore James |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2003 : 06:14:50
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You want to try the BBC: public broadcasting, yet completely (and hilariously) at odds with the government.
Fight! Fight!
"What are we going to do tonight, Brain?"
"Same thing we do every night, Pinky: try to take over the world!" |
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ObfuscateByWill
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1887 Posts |
Posted - 11/30/2003 : 04:56:34
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I think CBS was owned by Westinghouse. May have changed hands, though.
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TOTIPOTENT
- Master of Differentiation -
USA
247 Posts |
Posted - 11/30/2003 : 05:57:45
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Fox News all the way! I like some BBC, too. That is, only when I cannot watch Fox News! I actually could not tell you what would be worth watching on ABC, NBC or CBS. All the good shit is on cable - Comedy Central, Fox News, Discovery cannels, History Channels, HBO, and on and on. Those alphabet stations are just clutter to me.
 "I joined the Cult of Frank / 'Cause Strong Badia needed a covert spy" |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 11/30/2003 : 10:18:14
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quote:
Originally posted by TOTIPOTENT
Fox News all the way! I like some BBC, too. That is, only when I cannot watch Fox News! I actually could not tell you what would be worth watching on ABC, NBC or CBS. All the good shit is on cable - Comedy Central, Fox News, Discovery cannels, History Channels, HBO, and on and on. Those alphabet stations are just clutter to me.
Totipotent, are you kidding about the Fox News? I only ask because it sounds like you are either being facetious, or you didn't read Dave Noisy's post up thar somewheres. To be fair, what is it you like about Fox News? I take any of them with a mountain of salt, but even beyond trustworthiness or "fair" reporting (something that does not exist, IMHO), the personalities on that network grate on my every last nerve (much moreso than the other stations, which also get on my nerves, mind you).
Here's an interesting statistic (I remember seeing this polling data when it first came out - I do not have faith that even 95% of the general public has any damn clue what the hell is going on, or researches or thinks for themselves at all when it comes to foreign or domestic policy):
"In a Jan. 7 Knight Ridder/Princeton Research poll, 44% of respondents said they thought "most" or "some" of the Sept. 11, 2001, hijackers were Iraqi citizens. Only 17% of those polled offered the correct answer: none." Please go to this link if this interests you:
http://bernie.house.gov/documents/articles/20030328175457.asp |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 11/30/2003 : 10:34:35
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oh, and CSPAN rocks. At least, they are better than the rest of the BS out there, which isn't saying much. I wish we had more (or even one!) George Seldes(-es) out there.... :(
here's a 25 minute? film you can watch for free:
http://com.castleton.edu/seldes/
and here's some info and links to other resources about him:
http://www.brasscheck.com/seldes/ |
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Hordak
- FB Fan -
USA
180 Posts |
Posted - 11/30/2003 : 12:19:38
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See? My posting spree the other night was not without it's merits, drunk or not. These are all valid topics.
I joined the cult of Norm Peterson...because I like to drink beer and I'm portly. |
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
2002 Posts |
Posted - 11/30/2003 : 12:52:46
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I would hope Frank would veer away from ANY network station and cleave onto, oh let's say, Spike TV (the new channel for men) and the Lifetime movie channel. It's all Star Trek and Sybil.
Catchin' blue in his eyes that were brown
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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
USA
725 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2003 : 07:33:28
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Just saw this thread. Yeah Dave, the study is bogus. That Prof has been doing liberal footwork using his students for years. Again, there is history here. It just requires a little reading to find it.
The links between Saddam and Al Queda are real. No proof of any connection to 9/11, but, meeting, training, financial support, all likely true and believed by many nations intelligence services. The Chekoslavakians (sp) stand by there intelligence that Mohammed Atta was meeting with Iraqi intelligence officers in Prague. A judge in NY has looked at evidence in a case against Saddam/Iraq brought by 9/11 victims families and concluded that links exist between Al Queda and Saddam. That case was allowed to go forward.
One could easily argue that the results of this study are due to the outlets praised by the study simply not reporting items that go against their political bent. A great example is the high level CIA memo outlining extensive connections between Saddam and Al Queda before and after 9/11. The 3 Networks have not reported on the contents of that memo. If the memo alleged the opposite, that NO connection existed, it would have been all over the place. That is how the disconnect is created.
Long range missiles are considered WMD's and were included in the UN resolution against Iraq. Those missiles have been found and many had removable cones suitable for carrying WMD's. MIG fighters were found buried in the sands. Nuclear components were found buried in a scientists garden with instructions to save for future use. That may be enough for some people to conclude that evidence of WMD's have been found. It may not be the vial of Smallpox that many of us expected, but, it may meet some peoples threshold to say 'yes, some WMD's have been found and Iraq was clearly not in compliance'.
Over 40 countries supported the liberation of Iraq. I would agree though that if the poll was worded "International popular opinion favored the U.S. war against Iraq" and the respondent agreed, that they got it wrong.
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Thomas
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 12/01/2003 : 10:31:29
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Gimme TechTV and ESPNews any time! I see the bad side of life everyday and the last thing I need when I get home is saucy news from any of the networks, but if I do watch the news it's usually NBC. Those other news channels (CNN, FOXnews, etc) are just another form of sitcoms without the laugh track.
Thomas
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