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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
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 Posted - 11/16/2003 : 14:07:26
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Who has seen it? What did you think? I was only slightly disappointed because I knew it couldn't have possibly lived up to its hype. It built itself up too much and the only resolution could be failure.
If this was posted somewhere already (I figured it would be) I apologize. I used the search but it still isn't working and I didn't find it in all threads from Nov 5th on.
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 11/16/2003 : 14:51:28
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i didn't really have any major expectations.. i LOVED the first one, but i don't consider myself a MATRIX freak, like some people. i found the second one to be lacking in certain areas.. (i actually fell asleep during the second one, but partly because i was very fucking tired .. not that it was that boring)..
this one delivered, i think. you can't tell me that final battle scene wasn't amazing.
a friend of mine actually worked on the 2nd and 3rd one in editing. word on the street is that their next project is either going to be PLASTIC MAN (which i find perfectly fitting), or another original script called CARNIVORE which sounds like a sci-fi DELICATESSEN-esque thing (if you've seen it) where this whole society revolves around the poor eating the rich (or maybe it was vice versa).. anyway, you heard it here first. or not. |
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Little Black Francis
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 11/16/2003 : 15:03:40
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that's cool inside info Floop. I've seen Delicatessen... it's been awhile. I hope they get an entire different set of sctors this time...
I never liked the acting in the Matrix, I liked the ideas, but I thought they came out too goofy or something.
Although I loved the cgi fight scenes in both, and I think they got better in the 2nd one.
But I've only watched each one once. I don't care about those movies much.
The Matrix animation/cartoon short movies are fucking awesome to watch though. I love those. |
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/16/2003 : 15:03:42
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My friend who recently moved was a HUGE Matrix freak. Like, he would look up online all these different essays about the Matrix, the religion behind it, and all this stuff that people read into it. One guy had a ninety-something paper written about the "symbols" used in the movie, and the meaning behind just about EVERY WORD THAT WAS SAID. Holy Jumping Christ did this guy love that movie. I'm sure he's seen it by now (probably saw it the first night it came out) but I haven't talked to him for awhile. It got ridiculous.
Personally I want to see the movie just for a sense of closure for the last two but I don't think it's anything really to get that worked up over except stylish-looking escapism. (I guess all movies are that to a degree, but the Matrix movies for right now take the cake in that regard.)
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe.
Carl Sagan
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/16/2003 : 16:11:08
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I saw it and thought it was great, but I'm not a Matrix freak or anything. I am a member of philosophy club at my school and we had a major philosophical discussion about it which was very interesting.
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/16/2003 : 17:46:54
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hey floop, who didn't work on that film? did you see the cast and crew titles? jeesh! Apparently Reloaded was credited as having the most cast listen in any film.
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/16/2003 : 18:55:06
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Anything with a whole crapload of CGI like the Matrix movies and Finding Nemo are going to have a HUUUUUGGGGEEEEE crew. Did you pay any attention to the credits at the end of Finding Nemo, Chris? There were about half a million people that worked on that movie, it seemed like.
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe.
Carl Sagan
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/16/2003 : 18:55:54
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I would imagine all the people in Zion in the Matrix Revolutions had alot to do with that too.
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe.
Carl Sagan
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 11/16/2003 : 19:30:53
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Originally posted by realmeanmotorscutor
hey floop, who didn't work on that film? did you see the cast and crew titles? jeesh! Apparently Reloaded was credited as having the most cast listen in any film.
"I joined the Cult of Popeye / The CoF required my good eye"
yeah, like glacial said.. the massive visual effects has a lot to do with it. but also, it's such a huge film.. with 2nd, 3rd and even 4th units shooting at the same time..
but i think the editoral crew was pretty much the same as on any film - the editor and a few assistants. surprisingly, they only had one editor, Zach Staenberg, who started with them on BOUND (an underrated, and poorly marketed film - check it out if you haven't).. often times, a film that huge will have 2 editors to split the work up (the film i'm working on has two editors, and it's not nearly as big).. especially if there's a tight schedule for releasing, which was definitely the case for the two sequals..
but yeah, if you look at the credits, a huge chunk of those are all the visual effects departments.. |
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/16/2003 : 19:39:03
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Strangely, I have heard that "Bound" was only made because the powers-that-be when the Wachowski Brothers first started out were extremely hesitant about producing such a story of huge scope as the Matrix trilogy...the Brothers apparently had this idea first, but were met with alot of wariness as they were debuting directors at the time...I don't know if that's true or not.
floop? (Our inside source to Hollywood.)
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe.
Carl Sagan
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Hordak
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 11/16/2003 : 19:54:57
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I loved Bound! Great cinematography.
 My wife has a split personality, and I hate both of them.
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 11/16/2003 : 20:00:45
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i'd heard that too.. they had the MATRIX script before BOUND, but did BOUND to prove that they knew what they were doing.
if you haven't seen BOUND, you should check it out. even though it's basically a straightforward mob/heist movie, there's some bravura (to use a pretentious word) camera and visual effects work in there.. you can already see flashes of their style in this very un-MATRIX, unflashy film.. (not to mention one of the best lesbian scenes ever recorded).. i fell in love with Jennifer Tilly in this film. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 11/16/2003 : 21:32:25
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I just wasn't able to detatch myself enough to love even the battle scenes. I really don't try to pick apart movies, but sometimes there are just such glaring things that a person can't get past.
They invade the dome. The robots. And it is clear from the onset that those mechs... errr... manned robots are not going to cut it. The only hope? One ship to return and use it's single EMP gun to knock out all the droids.
Now, I don't purport to be as intelligent as people from several centuries in the future, but perhaps I'd have installed an EMP cannon in the base? Maybe? Just one? Instead of money on those mechs that had to be reloaded by... a wheelbarrow?!
Or instead of one large EMP, what about small-scale EMPs distributed strategically along the outer dome or whatever they called it (dam?) so that any intrusion could be fended off by continuous pulses by the nearby guns without knocking out base defenses?
And for a reputably intelligent AI that may not have needed to be that intelligent after all to enslave the morons that humanity eventually evolve into, the attack consisted mostly of flying in cool looking streams while what? While small portions (say up to 5%) would break formation and attack. And by attack I mean attempt to induce really deep gashes in mech pilot's faces in the hopes of bleeding them to death and grossing out the ammunition suppliers.
I could go on, but I just felt the whole movie was poor and thought I'd focus on that final climactic battle since it seemed the most ripe for parody.
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/17/2003 : 00:12:13
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 Yay, I can't wait to see it!
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe.
Carl Sagan
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Malax
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/17/2003 : 01:23:29
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This is the best and definately most accurate review of The Matrix Revolutions you'll ever see.
If you've not seen it and don't want it spoiled don't read it.
http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=matrix3 |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 11/17/2003 : 01:30:33
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Originally posted by realmeanmotorscutor
hey floop, who didn't work on that film? did you see the cast and crew titles? jeesh! Apparently Reloaded was credited as having the most cast listen in any film.
"I joined the Cult of Popeye / The CoF required my good eye"
Yeah, too right!
I stayed til the end cos someone told me there was an extra bit of film there. After about 15 minutes, I got a trailer for this one. Whoop-de-doo.
 "I have joined the Cult Of Frank/And I have dearly paid"
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bedrock_barney
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/17/2003 : 01:31:47
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| LOL. Thanks for the amusing link! Not that I was going to go anyway. After seeing the sequel I knew the final film would be a turkey. I will probably get it on dvd and fast forward through the boring bits. |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 11/17/2003 : 02:51:19
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get a pirate copy. they deserve it.
"I have joined the Cult Of Frank/And I have dearly paid"
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Thomas
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/17/2003 : 07:14:44
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Nodded in and out during the movie. Could be cause I was a bit under the weather. My wife was more up to seeing it than I was. I was liking the pre-view for "Paycheck", the next PK Dick story to be made into a movie. I just hope John Woo and Ben Affleck don't ruin it. Oh wait I just answered my own question.
Thomas
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/17/2003 : 07:17:52
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Wasn't "Minority Report" based on a Philip K. Dick book? The movie was just so-so. I don't ever expect another Blade Runner.
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe.
Carl Sagan
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
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Posted - 11/17/2003 : 08:20:33
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quote:
Originally posted by glacial906
Strangely, I have heard that "Bound" was only made because the powers-that-be when the Wachowski Brothers first started out were extremely hesitant about producing such a story of huge scope as the Matrix trilogy...the Brothers apparently had this idea first, but were met with alot of wariness as they were debuting directors at the time...I don't know if that's true or not.
I just read a Wired article about this and other Wachowski brothers info a couple weeks ago - here is the link to the online version:
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.11/matrix.html
Here's an intersting excerpt regarding your question, glacial:
"> How did they go from housepainters to the pinnacle of Hollywood filmmaking?
Their "Rosebud" moment came after they read a book by B-movie master Roger Corman, How I Made a Hundred Movies in Hollywood and Never Lost a Dime. That inspired them to write a script called Carnivore, about wealthy people being eaten by cannibals. That movie hasn't been made (yet), but the script did get them noticed. In 1995, Warner Bros. bought a script from them called Assassins. Mel Gibson said he was interested in directing, but he opted to make Braveheart instead. Director Richard Donner signed on, ordered extensive rewrites, and turned the film into a big-budget vehicle for Sylvester Stallone. Larry likened the process to an abortion and tried unsuccessfully to have their names removed from the credits. Not surprisingly, the movie flopped.
While the Wachowskis were battling Warner Bros. over Assassins, they showed Silver, its producer, the script they'd written for a sci-fi serial set inside a computer. "The minute I started reading the script for The Matrix, I wanted to see it," Silver says. "But then the guys said, 'And we want to direct it.' That was going to be tough." Instead of green-lighting the movie, Silver gave his blessing to a small, independent film they had written, Bound, a noirish crime drama about two lesbians stealing from the mob. Critics loved it, and it retains a certain cult following. In essence, it was a $6 million test to see whether they could write and direct. They could."... |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
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Posted - 11/17/2003 : 08:29:40
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Originally posted by Thomas
I was liking the pre-view for "Paycheck", the next PK Dick story to be made into a movie. I just hope John Woo and Ben Affleck don't ruin it. Oh wait I just answered my own question.
Oh dear lord, what the hell is Hollywood doing to all the great sci-fi novels - this sucks so bad. Somebody needs to bitch-slap these poop-for-brains execs making these lame-ass movies.
And I might watch Revolting-utions, once it's out on video and I have a coupon for a free rental. And I have the flu or something. And goodly amounts of NyQuil to ease the pain.... ;) ;) The second movie was a major insult to the viewers - and what about all these damn product placements?! I pretty much expect it in Hollywood shit, like the Matrix sequels, but I just saw "Bubba Hotep" last night (really good BTW), and there was a damned ad for Baby Ruth candy bars in it. WTF???!!! |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 11/17/2003 : 09:55:12
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Oh come on, we engineers need this - finally, we're being made into heroes for the usually (but not always) illegal activity of reverse engineering. All those years waiting have been worth it!
</sarcasm>
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 11/17/2003 : 09:56:54
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i think people are being way too hard on REVOLUTIONS.. what else do you expect from a sequal? let alone, the third in a trilogy? there's no way it'll ever be better than the first one.
i went expecting to be entertained and that's what i got. i can honestly say i wasn't bored during the entire film, which was pretty long if i'm remembering correctly..
also, while that "review" is kind of funny, i don't think it's cool to post it here Malix because there might actually be people who don't want it to be spoiled..
but that's just me.
as an aside.. i kid you not, this morning i saw Joe Pantiliano (sp?) at my local Peet's Coffee.. not to name drop, but hey. it's relevant right?
i know that he lives in Venice so that makes sense.. |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 11/17/2003 : 10:01:42
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| Joey Pants? Weird. Was he wearing that silly hat? ;) |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 11/17/2003 : 10:02:47
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| he was actually. |
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The Holiday Son
= Quote Accumulator =
France
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Posted - 11/17/2003 : 13:50:57
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The first Matrix had some good bits (especially the beginning before EVERYTHING is explained to the dumb viewer who can't figure out what's going on by himself!).
The second one was crap (but not that much more than the 1st one!) but I enjoyed the scene where neo fights smith's clones and Lambert Wilson made me laugh my ass off.
The third one is as crap as the others but I really enjoyed the Zion battle.
All the rest is really awful. The dialogue on the whole trilogy is laughable and the last fight between neo and smith is beyond laughter. Oh I almost forgot Trinity's death...
But I don't understand how fans of the 1st one can be disapointed by the sequels.
They're basically the same: non-sense dialogue and overrated fight scenes! |
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/17/2003 : 14:13:11
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that review was priceless malax. floop, he did tell people not to click on it if they didn't want it spoiled.
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 11/17/2003 : 14:19:54
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Indeed, I went back and checked out that review and it is damnably funny.
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 11/17/2003 : 15:08:00
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Originally posted by realmeanmotorscutor
that review was priceless malax. floop, he did tell people not to click on it if they didn't want it spoiled.
"I joined the Cult of Popeye / The CoF required my good eye"
you're right. my bad. |
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Malax
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/17/2003 : 16:01:07
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| The guy who writes the site (strangely called maddox) writes some hillarious articles. Apology accepted floop :) |
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ProverbialCereal
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Posted - 11/20/2003 : 17:08:55
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In the first Matrix when Neo first meets the Oracle, the song in the background is Duke Ellington's "I'm Beginning to see the Light." Did anyone notice that in Revolutions when Morpheus(?) visited the Oracle in the same apartment, the same song was playing? I wonder if there is any reason for this.
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
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Posted - 11/20/2003 : 21:21:19
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heh - i agree with Dean and Maddox's reviews.
'Revulsions' sucked ass.
It wasn't even a 'decent' movie. The first one was good, the second was pathetic, and the third was marginally less pathetic.
As Maddox said..who'd have thunk anyone could top Lucas in screw-ups?? haha.. |
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/20/2003 : 21:44:42
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why does everyone think the 2nd one was the worst?
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 11/20/2003 : 22:24:13
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Originally posted by Dave Noisy
heh - i agree with Dean and Maddox's reviews.
'Revulsions' sucked ass.
It wasn't even a 'decent' movie. The first one was good, the second was pathetic, and the third was marginally less pathetic.
As Maddox said..who'd have thunk anyone could top Lucas in screw-ups?? haha..
you really think the Matrix sequals were worse than the Star Wars sequals? |
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/20/2003 : 23:15:29
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I have to admit, despite all of the negative criticisms here, I liked the Matrix and I liked Reloaded, and I am pretty anxious to see Revolutions. I just like the movies for the pure escapism, not for any serious or socially relevant witticisms. The movies are very sleek, imaginative, and offer an hour and a half or so of just pure geek action. The only disappointing thing I've heard so far (in my mind) is that the last one doesn't really tie up the first two...I was hoping (and again, I haven't seen the movie yet, so this might be wrong) that they would find out that the world where they "really" existed (i.e. the one containing Zion, the techno-creatures, the human-stock farms, etc.) would also be revealed to be fake, as Agent Smith was able to escape from the Matrix in Reloaded. (I don't know if this is revealed or not, I should probably save this post for after I see "Revolutions.") That Agent Smith, and all of the techno-creatures that Neo and crew battle would be part of some larger program that kind of keeps the rebellious human factions distracted while out there somewhere the REAL techno-creatures reap all the natural resources of the planet. After Neo talked to that guy in the computer room (can't recall his name, at the end of Reloaded...) I thought this might be the case.
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe.
Carl Sagan
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