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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
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 Posted - 11/18/2003 : 19:00:43
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Apl - here's an article that addresses your concerns:
Vegan Diets Deficient in Three Nutrients?
Well, Meateaters are Deficient in Seven!
The latest data on the dietary intakes of vegans was just published
last month.[1] The diets of about 100 vegans were recorded for a week
and were found deficient in calcium, iodine and vitamin B12. Using
the same standards, though, the standard American diet are deficient
in 7 nutrients! The diet of your average American is not only ALSO
deficient in calcium and iodine, it's deficient in vitamin C, vitamin
E, fiber, folate, and magnesium as well.[2]
Not only does the American public have over twice as many nutritional
deficiencies in their diets, vegans were shown to have higher intakes
of 16 out of the 19 nutrients studied, includeing calcium. The vegans
were getting more than enough protein on average and three times more
vitamin C, three times more vitamin E, three times more fiber. Vegans
got twice the folate, twice the magnesium, twice the copper, twice
the manganese.
And of course the vegans had twice the fruit and vegetable intake and
half the saturated fat intake, meeting the new 2003 World Health
Organization guidelines for fat intake and weight control.[3] Almost
2/3 of Americans are overweight.[4] In contrast, only 11% of the
vegans were overweight. Almost one in three Americans are obese.[4]
Zero of the 98 vegans in this study were obese.
So when a meateater asks you "Where you get your B12?" You can
counter with "Where do YOU get your vitamin C, vitamin E, fiber,
folate, and magnesium? And while you're at it, you can ask them how
they keep their sodium, saturated fat, total fat and cholesterol
intake under control (not to mention their weight).[5]
[1] Results from the German Vegan Study. European Journal of Clinical
Nutrition 57(August 2003):947.
[2] USDA. Food and Nutrient Intakes by Individuals in the United
States, by Region, 1994-96.
[3] World Health Organization Technical Report Series 916. Diet,
Nutrition and the Prevention of Chronic Diseases. 2003.
[4]
<http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/pubs/pubd/hestats/obese/obse99.htm>Centers
for Disease Control.
[5] Then you can finally answer their question and proudly say B12
fortified foods or B12 supplements :) Of course the fact that we're
seriously deficient in B12 should not be taken lightly. Evidence
suggests that our low B12 intakes make be shaving literally years off
of the lives of vegetarians and vegans, so make sure you get your
B12!--I recommend "<http://www.veganhealth.org/b12/>Vitamin B12: Are
You Getting It?" |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 11/18/2003 : 19:07:59
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apl - furthermore, i never said that flesh is 'bad'. I said dairy is.
I would agree that our bodies are quite capable of handling small amounts of animal protein. Not at every meal tho. I'd argue that the animal protein we are most biologically/physiologically suited for consuming would be insects and eggs. Think about the reason we need to cook meat. (And wash our hands after handling it.. Funny.. Wash your hands AFTER handling meat...wash your hands BEFORE handling veggies..heheheh..)
Dean - my point is education. How many people in Canada know that there's pus in milk? And a TSP is allowed, per cup? Again, i agree that 'grossness' isn't a great arguement, but it's still an interesting one, and i'd rather hit you guys with the more 'fun' stuff. (And frankly, i'd imagine you'd prefer that too. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2003 : 06:43:35
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Fair 'nuff, that's true. More fun to debate milk puss than B12 intake levels. :)
 "Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened" |
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jediroller
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1718 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2003 : 07:56:18
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Speaking of "factory farms", I found this today:
http://www.themeatrix.com/
WARNING: noisy site. If you're at work, you might want to turn down the volume on your computer before you click the link.
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"C'est la vie" whatever that means, la-de-da... |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2003 : 16:43:50
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I'm not crazy about that... They only talk about Factory Farms, and then promote free range afterwards.. (There's not regulations for 'free range', means nothing, literally.)
On any of those farms, Moopheus and Leo would be killed, and it's all exploitation. Sure, it's a little 'nicer', but exploitation is exploitation is exploitation. |
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LivER_FisH
- FB Fan -
South Africa
57 Posts |
Posted - 11/20/2003 : 12:14:40
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well i was referring to all countries which wear dolphin hats and protest and i assumed it occured in america too, if it does not i apologize
Don't worry i am well aware of the difference between americans and canadians. |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 11/20/2003 : 12:34:12
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| I'm not even going to try to argue against that logic. No apology needed, though, because I wasn't really offended. |
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