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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
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 Posted - 10/20/2003 : 06:38:25
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While it is true that the majority of the time that I am rocked by music, the source comes from music that is classified as "rock" music, I am sometimes moved to the point of rockin' by other styles. A great example of this would be the music from the original 1989 Tecmo game Ninja Gaiden, which was a Nintendo Game. The best music is in Level 4-2 I believe, where the main character, Ryu Hayabusa passes through an abandoned underground railroad. The second Ninja Gaiden had some bitchin' music, too. Lots of video game music is pretty ultimate rock out music, like most of the 8-bit Nintendo Mega Man games by Capcom. I haven't been up on new video games in about 10 years, so I'm sure there's plenty of new classic tunes that have been composed in my absence from the video game world.
Beyond video games, there's plenty of jazz that gets me going, such as the Thelonious Monk album "Monk's Dream" record, which is fun to bounce around to. There's also Herbie Hancock's "Headhunters" album, which is considered to be one of the foundations/blueprints for hip hop. Speaking of hip hop, a lot of the early Death Row like Dre, Snoop, Tha Dogg Pound, and so on really gets me goin', I was rockin' out to that earlier this morning.
The neo-classical band The Rachel's record "The Sea and he Bells" has some of the most rockin' moments I've heard on a record in a long time, and they are about as far from rock as bands get nowadays, even though they are commonly found in the Pop/Rock sections of stores.
Schnittke, another classical composer, had some crazy music that would often start out calm and then suddenly lurch into completely insane sections, and those moments rock, too.
So what songs/tunes do you think rock that aren't really rock and roll music?
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
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4800 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2003 : 08:01:17
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Hey TarTar, cool to see Rachel's mentioned - I used to be friends w/some of the people in that band (went to same hs) - they are good people, but are probably now way too cool for me, heheh ;). I agree that Rachel's rocks. I also think Shostakovich's Violin Concerto No. 1 rocks (especially when played by Viktoria Mullova). Beethoven's 9th. Bach! (f*#k, he devised the structure of western music). Bela Bartok, soulful blues, Muddy Waters, R L Burnside rocks, Stevie Ray Vaughan rocks, jump blues, *most* jazz, *good* true bluegrass and real folk music (love the stuff from the Appalachians & Ky), lots of Cuban music (ie. Buena Vista Social Club), Afro-pop, tribal music, Badawai, LFO, Nurse with Wound, and Howlin' Wolf, Hank Williams Senior...Anything with SOUL in it. Struggle, hardship, feeling, Straight up. Too much! Hell, this topic could go on and on...To me, .Rock and Roll is just another way to say soul.
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1738 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2003 : 08:02:30
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There is some good video game music out there, but outside of nostalgic tunes like Blaster Master and Mario, there's very little below 64-bit console music I could really appreciate as music. (Although I'm not saying there isn't any, my own experience has been thus.)
I do like alot of non-rock music; many movie scores have struck a chord. The score (not the soundtrack) to "The Virgin Suicides" was really good. (Although it was done by the normally techno band Air.) There is alot of subtle, ethereal music in "Blade Runner" that is really good by Vangelis. Danny Elfman is another good one, most of his stuff is top notch, from "the Simpsons" theme to "Batman" to "A Nigtmare Before Christmas." (The director/music combo of Tim Burton and Danny Elfman is outstanding.) Thomas Newman (who you may or may not have heard of) did the scores to "American Beauty," one of my favorites. (You remember the plastic bag scene...?) I could go on and on. Part of what makes a film to me is the music. Imagine the lack of drama that would be produced if there were no music in films, and all of those great movie moments had happened in silence. It'd make a huge difference, no?
I also like alot of jazz, too. I'm not too familiar with it, at the moment, but I figured I couldn't go wrong with some old classics like Miles Davis and Louis Armstrong. I'd like some reccomendations on any contemporary jazz or blues artists anyone may have. I like more mellow, subtle jazz music. And, happily, through FB&TC, I've given a little bit of appreciation to a SELECT FEW country musicians. (Not any of that mainstream bullshit, like Tim McGraw, and Garth Brooks or anything, but old country has alot more of a sincerity and authenticity to it.)
Yeah, there's a lot of non-rock music I love, too, but I'd say rock music takes up about 65-70% of the time I spend listening to anything at all.
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ObfuscateByWill
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1887 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2003 : 08:24:15
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When I think of rockin' non-rock, I think industrial.
Well, how about Wendy Carlos? (Switched-On Bach, A Clockwork Orange sndtrk)
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interloper
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 10/20/2003 : 08:48:39
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quote:
Originally posted by ObfuscateByWill
When I think of rockin' non-rock, I think industrial.
Well, how about Wendy Carlos? (Switched-On Bach, A Clockwork Orange sndtrk)
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If I remember correctly, when Wendy Carlos did Switched on Bach, she was a man. When she did the Clockwork Orange stuff, he became a she. Am I crazy or is this right? |
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interloper
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 10/20/2003 : 09:06:11
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| As far as rockin non rock, I think hip hop music should be destroyed for inflicting overt materialism, egoism, tough guy posturing, and general inner city culture into the hearts and minds of every asshole suburban dipshit under the age of twenty. That having been said, viva la good Bluegrass music. Not that gospel shit either. The grittier faster more blues based stuff. Tony Rice is the Jimi Hendrix of Bluegrass guitar and is worth seeing or hearing. Leo Kottke is a wonderful listen as well. So are all his disciples, like Adrian Legg, and Michael Hedges. Don't forget pre-electric Miles and all manner of good jazz beyond that. In a Silent Way does indeed rock....I guess you can't really include rockabilly music, so I won't try. |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2003 : 10:05:38
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I see Air is mentioned here. They aren't really techno...they're really good, and use real guitars and drums and such. They're about as techno as Radiohead is.
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ObfuscateByWill
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1887 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2003 : 10:28:53
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Originally posted by interloper
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If I remember correctly, when Wendy Carlos did Switched on Bach, she was a man. When she did the Clockwork Orange stuff, he became a she. Am I crazy or is this right?
Right. She started out as Walter Carlos.
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1738 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2003 : 10:36:39
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| "Moon Safari" was more techno-oriented sounding than "The Virgin Suicides," but I never checked what instruments were used so I could be wrong. |
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1938 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2003 : 15:46:18
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I'm becoming obsessed with Egyptian music right now. It's great to just have it playing like all day long so whenever I walk in my room there's Egyptian music playing
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2003 : 15:47:57
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What kind of Egyptian music? Any suggestions?
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2003 : 15:52:56
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Would you say that you're Walking Like An Egyptian when you enter your room?
OK, sorry, but clearly it had to be done.
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2003 : 16:07:16
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I would say Duke Ellington and his band, Count Basie and his band, and Woody Herman and the Thundering Herd were all rocking. Real pros just doing it right.
For a smaller jazz group, I would say Art Blakey and his various incarnations of The Jazz Messengers. And finally, Dizzy Gillespie always rocked. Miles Davis has become the well known bebopper, but Dizzy was king in my book. |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2003 : 19:13:52
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I haven't heard Moon Safari yet, but I own 10K Hertz Legion and it's got some really good tracks on it.
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
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1738 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2003 : 19:52:54
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| Heard a little bit of 10,000 Hz Legend. Sounded pretty good. |
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interloper
= Cult of Ray =
440 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2003 : 20:18:39
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| Indian music, particularly Ravi Shankar is very interesting and does indeed rock. The thing that can be very addictive about it is to realize what someone can do spontaneously with melody with really no support at all from any chord changes of any kind to guide it. The true anti pop you might say, as odd as it would sound. |
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1764 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2003 : 20:56:18
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River City Ransom has some of the best Blues/Jazz music.
Semper ubi sub ubi. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2003 : 21:15:39
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Nothing beats Imperial March for me.
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ObfuscateByWill
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1887 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2003 : 01:21:15
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quote:
Originally posted by darwin
For a smaller jazz group, I would say Art Blakey and his various incarnations of The Jazz Messengers. And finally, Dizzy Gillespie always rocked. Miles Davis has become the well known bebopper, but Dizzy was king in my book.
Props for mentioning Art Blakey.
Charles Mingus rocks my, um, low-end.
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 10/21/2003 : 02:35:13
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I listen to electronic music more than rock, actually. I'm a big fan of Detroit techno.
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 10/21/2003 : 03:00:52
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Bringing together a number of previously mentioned genres then, I'm lving the new M83 album... its like the huge-sounding church-type music in Final Fantasy, crossed with French techno (eg Air), crossed with My Bloody Valnetine. Thats a damn good mix.
Also Miles Davis etc that has already been mentioned, plus some Schoenberg, Messiaen, Mahler, Beethoven, Wagner, its all good.
I definitely don't agree with interloper - there's a lot of realy good, really positive hip hop. Public Enemy is always worth checking out, the rhymes and beats are excellent, and the message behind the music is never less than straight up. If you want to chill a bit, go with De La Soul, also cool.
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6213 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2003 : 03:05:42
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I think that moon safari is better then 100000hz legend,
and I won't say it's techno, AIR is so great.
I love things like ladytron, zoot woman, viva la vete, high fidelity and one of my faves
the danish band the Superhereos. These all make electronic music, but there are some guitars involved.
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jediroller
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1718 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2003 : 05:08:10
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Originally posted by glacial906
I also like alot of jazz, too. I'm not too familiar with it, at the moment, but I figured I couldn't go wrong with some old classics like Miles Davis and Louis Armstrong. I'd like some reccomendations on any contemporary jazz or blues artists anyone may have. I like more mellow, subtle jazz music.
That's a tough one... I'm not an expert on jazz but I do like it a lot. So here's my 2c...
Off the top of my head I'd have to mention French musicians - particularly Henri Texier, who plays double bass and wrote some beautiful music. I'd recommend "Carnets de Route" and "Suite Africaine" (both on Label Bleu), two albums he recorded as a trio with clarinet player Louis Sclavis and drummer Aldo Romano. I don't know if it's distributed out of France though.
If you can find these records and are interested in contemporary jazz, definitely check out Bojan Zulfikarpasic, a pianist originally from Serbia, discovered by Texier... His solo record ("Solobsession", on Label Bleu again) is stunning.
Maybe get Keith Jarrett/Gary Peacock/Jack DeJohnette/'s live double album "Whisper Not" (ECM) if you like piano trios. They really make the old standards shine. But I don't know Jarrett's work so well. Maybe people will have other recommendations.
If you like sax (not "Careless Whispers" crap, mind), get Stefano DiBattista's self-titled album on Blue Note. I saw (on TV) a concert he gave with his quintet + trumpet player Flavio Boltro at a big French jazz festival. For the encore he came back alone on stage and played "Come Together" on his sax, and you could see he was having fun. He rocks.
There are 2 records I love more than I can say: the albums singer Helen Merrill made in the sixties with pianist Dick Katz, "The Feeling is Mutual" and "A Shade of Difference". Timeless music. Out of this world.
In the oldies department I also have a passion for (ex-Art Blakey's Messengers') pianist Horace Silver. Check out "Song for My Father" (Blue Note), a tuneful classic from the sixties.
And Monk, of course. Thelonious Monk = genius. Cliche but true.
Then you have musicians that don't play "jazz" as such but were immensely influenced by it and work with jazz musicians... Robert Wyatt springs to mind. his last record has a strong jazz flavor. Check him out. "Rock Bottom" and "Shleep" would be my first recommendations.
Other than jazz, non-rock stuff that I really dig...
- Erik Satie. Get a taste of Satie you people. What more can I say.
- Franz Schubert. "Death and the Maiden" is one of the most powerful pieces of music I've ever heard. Really.
- Edvard Grieg, Jean Sibelius... These Nordic composers really get under my skin. You all know "Peer Gynt"; coulda been the soundtrack to "The Lord of the Rings" or something (but I also like Howard Shore's actual score for both movies, by the way). But there's a lot more. Sibelius's symphonies. Grieg's sonatas for piano and cello, and his lyric pieces for piano... Stunning music.
- Bach - I'm totally with Jennifer here. He makes it all sound so easy. I thought I would always hate religious music, especially baroque, especially vocal. Then I heard "St Matthew's Passion". This, my friends, is not from this world. Just hear an aria like "Blute nur, du liebes Herz..." Beautiful poetry too.
- I also like some Cuban music (there's a beautiful collection on the German label Winter & Winter...), klezmer (check out NYC's David Krakauer), music from Central Europe (ever heard Emir Kusturica's band? but it's almost rock here. Well they do seriously rock), Irish traditional music...
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bedrock_barney
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
871 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2003 : 08:05:59
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When I plonk Ennio Morricone's stunning 'The Good, the Bad and the Ugly' on the ol' gramophone I actually start to think I am the man with no name staring out Lee Van Cleef in the middle of an enormous hemispherical civil war graveyard.
The power of music, eh.
Oh, and I've usually got Eli Wallach covered as well. |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2003 : 08:10:28
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Jedi - are the contemporary jazz musicians you mentioned "smooth jazz" or otherwise? I don't know if that translates to the french properly, but I really don't care for the more scat-singing/new-wave "smooth" jazz, but I would love to find some living gents/ladies doing hot jazz. France has always been so much warmer to jazz than the US, ie. Zoot Sims. Most people here don't know what a goldmine we have had access to with jazz and blues, it's such a shame.
For those of you who like the blues, there is a show on NPR (National Public Radio) called "Blues Before Sunrise" which is the best collection of great blues I have ever found - it goes on for like 4 hours in Chicago in the wee hours of the AM, but you can access old shows and live streaming audio on their website:
http://www.bluesbeforesunrise.com/
and there is an incredible Jazz radio show on NPR WBEZ in Chicago, with a guy named Dick Buckley - an incredible old guy with an immense amount of knowledge -he was ailing a couple years ago, so I hope he's back and swinging. haha! Anyway, if you want a good dose of superb tunes from all the classics and rarities, here is WBEZ's jazz programming webpage, w/ streaming audio:
http://www.wbez.org/programs/jazz/jazz.asp
For anyone who lives in or visits Chicago, there is a huge archive of Buckley's old shows from a previous program on WBEZ, called "Archives of Jazz":
http://www.chipublib.org/008subject/001artmusic/buckley/buckley.html
Sorry this is all Chicago-centric, but I got kind of spoiled living there and wound up not having the need to find other resources. I hope this helps somebody find inspiration, though... |
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bedrock_barney
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
871 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2003 : 08:12:32
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Originally posted by billgoodman
I think that moon safari is better then 100000hz legend,
and I won't say it's techno, AIR is so great.
I love things like ladytron, zoot woman, viva la vete, high fidelity and one of my faves
the danish band the Superhereos. These all make electronic music, but there are some guitars involved.
''it's not a box, it's a submarine''
Is Air's 100,000hz legend 10 times better than their 10,000hz legend?! Sorry, couldn't resist! |
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ObfuscateByWill
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1887 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2003 : 08:29:32
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Originally posted by apl4eris
For those of you who like the blues, there is a show on NPR (National Public Radio) called "Blues Before Sunrise" which is the best collection of great blues I have ever found - it goes on for like 4 hours in Chicago in the wee hours of the AM, but you can access old shows and live streaming audio on their website:
http://www.bluesbeforesunrise.com/
I agree that Blues Before Sunrise is a fantastic program.
It is presented here (WHRO Norfolk, VA) from about Midnight to 4-5am evry Sunday. It's a great soundtrack for a late-night drive or, if you're an earlybird, to wake up to.
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jediroller
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1718 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2003 : 08:32:44
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Jennifer - I wouldn't call them "smooth" jazz in the sense that they don't sound at all like Diana Krall or Charles Lloyd. You can't put it on as background music.
The best I can come up with is "contemporary jazz" - partly improvised music, sometimes a bit cryptic, but often simply beautiful... Both Texier and Romano write stunning melodies. I'm working on an all-genre mix CD for a friend and surely Bojan Z's solo piano version of Texier's "Don't Buy Ivory, Anymore" will be on there, as it's one of the most beautiful melodies ever.
As for how "hot" they can be, I saw Romano-Sclavis-Texier live a couple years ago and believe me, Aldo Romano rocked as hard as any "rock" drummer out there (including the "accidentally flying drumstick" routine at some point).
Email me if you want to know more - I wouldn't want to hijack this fine thread with obscure French jazz talk :-)
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 10/21/2003 : 10:31:26
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Jedi, I can see where you're coming from with not expecting to like religious baroque etc. type music, but I was presently surprised when I studied it. Check out Gesualdo (wife killing priest from Spain) for ahead-of-his-time harmonies to rival Brian Wilson. Anything with really twisted, unexpected harmonies is good... check out Lux Aeterna by Ligetti (from 2001 OST). Also I agree with you re Satie: good stuff, and a genuinely funny guy by all reports.
I'd have to add Michael Nyman to my list, esp The Piano Concerto, and Wagner's Tristan Und Isolde is still the most awesome piece of music ever composed.
Still, I never expected to be discussing this on a Frank Black forum!
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jediroller
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1718 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2003 : 10:40:32
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I've heard of Gesualdo. Haven't heard his music yet though. Wife killing priest? Now that sound like FB song material!
I have a recording of Frank Martin's "Mass for 2 choirs" which I think would be right up your street... I swear, when the "Kyrie" begins, you'd believe you were dead and gone straight up to heaven.
Thanks for the advice. I will definitely follow up. Cheers!
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2003 : 14:05:58
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Originally posted by jediroller
Jennifer - I wouldn't call them "smooth" jazz in the sense that they don't sound at all like Diana Krall or Charles Lloyd. You can't put it on as background music.
I think it's a bit unfair to tag Diana Krall with the smooth jazz moniker. I think she's a pretty good piano player and singer, and despite some high power marketing behind I think she delivers some pretty good traditional jazz (Harry Connick Jr. falls into this catagory as well). I would hate to see her lumped with the King of Smooth Jazz, Mr. Kenny G.
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1738 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2003 : 14:13:17
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Originally posted by billgoodman
I think that moon safari is better then 100000hz legend,
and I won't say it's techno, AIR is so great.
I love things like ladytron, zoot woman, viva la vete, high fidelity and one of my faves
the danish band the Superhereos. These all make electronic music, but there are some guitars involved.
''it's not a box, it's a submarine''
Is saying something is techno saying it is bad? What exactly defines "techno." All the terms describing music are very ambiguous, and I use it loosely. I would say that alot of songs on Moon Safari have a very electronic sound to them, like "Kelly Watch the Stars," and "Sexy Boy." Personally there's alot of techno I love, like Underworld. If you want some mellow, trippy shit to sit down and paint, or draw, or do whatever you like to do, there's nothing better. Check out "Second Toughest in the Infants." The song Banstyle Sappys Curry is fifteen minutes of trippy meditation. I really don't go for all the "club" techno, just a few select bands. I also like a few songs by Fatboy Slim. ("Bird of Prey" is awesome, very melodic with a sampling of Jim Morrison's voice from "An American Prayer.")
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jediroller
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 10/22/2003 : 01:00:20
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Originally posted by darwin
I think it's a bit unfair to tag Diana Krall with the smooth jazz moniker.
I didn't mean it in a bad way. I've never heard Kenny G. and I'm at a loss when it comes to describing "smooth" jazz. I was only trying to find references in what little I know. No offence to Ms Krall. I've been told by a really rabid jazz fan that her album "Stepping Out" (Enja) is stellar.
Maybe I should change my signature to "Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood"... 
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Cheeseman1000
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Iceland
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Posted - 10/22/2003 : 01:48:56
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Jedi, check out Tavener's Ultimos Ritos too, uses a cool backing tape of Bm Mass by Bach
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darwin
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Posted - 10/22/2003 : 08:23:05
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Originally posted by jediroller
I've never heard Kenny G. and I'm at a loss when it comes to describing "smooth" jazz.
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KingOfSiam
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Posted - 10/22/2003 : 09:49:55
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