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dead halo
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 10/11/2003 : 23:34:39
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| did frank write all the part for the pixies? because thats what my friend keeps telling me. its hard to belive he wrote all the guitar parts and the bass lines and drums. and if he did, why does most of his solo stuff suck major ass? dint get me wrong i love frank but damn it does kinda suck. so did he or did he not? |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11690 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2003 : 01:16:17
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a) Nobody knows the answer for sure, though we've debated this several times, even recently.
b) His solo stuff is great but might take a few more listens than the Pixies. I'd recommend another few spins before condeming it unilaterally and completely.
 "Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened" |
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Brackish Girl
~ Soul Eater ~
Ireland
1750 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2003 : 06:56:25
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| amen. |
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gary13th
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
632 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2003 : 10:08:42
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i'm sure Joey had a free reign in doing what he felt would work, lead guitar wise
The solo stuff is brilliant, each to their own, though.
They are about, dressed to deceive, architect David Vincent |
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axel
- FB Fan -
Belgium
101 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2003 : 00:09:36
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| I think Joey's solos made the melody really tight. These strong melodies are kinda lost in FB's solo career (and Kim's). |
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riverfelix
- FB Fan -
Belgium
38 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2003 : 05:16:08
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The unique method of Charles' songwriting is definitely what makes the Pixies one of the best rockbands ever. I would say that the Pixies were:
85% the songs of Black Francis
10% the voice of Kim Deal
5% the guitarnoise (wouldn't call it solo's) of Joey Santiago.
How to define Joey's guitarwork? Listen to Vamos, Gouge away, Hey, Where is my Mind? , ... you'll hear just a few notes and a lot of feedback!
This is also typical for the overall Pixies sound!
And in my opinion, Frank's solowork is still great!
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peter radiator
= Cult of Ray =
USA
669 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2003 : 06:37:43
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Originally posted by riverfelix
The unique method of Charles' songwriting is definitely what makes the Pixies one of the best rockbands ever. I would say that the Pixies were:
85% the songs of Black Francis
10% the voice of Kim Deal
5% the guitarnoise (wouldn't call it solo's) of Joey Santiago.
How to define Joey's guitarwork? Listen to Vamos, Gouge away, Hey, Where is my Mind? , ... you'll hear just a few notes and a lot of feedback!
This is also typical for the overall Pixies sound!
And in my opinion, Frank's solowork is still great!
I never cease to be amazed at the shortsightedness some folks have when listening to (and "analyzing") The Pixies.
Once and for all:
IF YOU ENJOY THE PIXIES MUSIC, THEN YOU ARE ENJOYING THE HARD WORK, TALENT AND CREATIVE VISION OF BLACK FRANCIS, KIM DEAL, DAVID LOVERING, JOEY SANTIAGO - AND, TO A SLIGHTLY LESSER EXTENT: ERIC DREW FELDMAN, GIL NORTON, ALBINI, HAIGLER, AND THE REST OF THE ENGINEERS AND PRODUCERS WHO CONTRIBUTED TO THEIR ALBUMS.
I hate to yell online, but DAMN. The Pixies wren't a bunch of puppets being manipulated by Gepetto Frank. They're all extremely bright cats who busted their ass to help define a very unique sound and approach that has been often imitated, but never duplicated.
Whether or not Frank is credited with writing most of the songs has nothing to do with what became of them in the hands of that particular group of people. THAT'S why his solo albums and those with The Catholics don't sound like The Pixies. Besides the obvious stylistic shifts, it's because they're not being arranged and played by The Pixies.
The Pixies.
The Pixies.
The Pixies.
THE PIXIES.
I'm sorry. It's been a rough weekend.
~ Peter Radiator
"Real music is out there and real people are making it." ~ Webb Wilder |
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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *
Austria
1079 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2003 : 09:47:44
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Woa, that's tough: "Frank's solo work is crap"
Okay, I still have problems with most of the things that came after Cult Of Ray. But all the Pixies-stuff and especially his first 2 solo-records are absolutely brilliant. I fail to understand how a Pixies-fan cannot appreciate Fran Black and Teenager.
In my opinion, the ongoing Pixies-success can be credited to Frank's songwriting up to 95%. It is just this absolutely freedom of thoughts, and at the same time, still hiqh-quality song-writing. He is just like a Salvador Dali of music - incredible talent mixed with incredible intellect, and at the same disregearding any frontiers.
And just like Dali (or any creative person), of course, there will be a peak, mostly correlated with age. For me, cult of ray marks this point. |
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blarg007
= Cult of Ray =
USA
493 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2003 : 10:36:54
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Originally posted by two reelers
Woa, that's tough: "Frank's solo work is crap"
Okay, I still have problems with most of the things that came after Cult Of Ray. But all the Pixies-stuff and especially his first 2 solo-records are absolutely brilliant. I fail to understand how a Pixies-fan cannot appreciate Fran Black and Teenager.
In my opinion, the ongoing Pixies-success can be credited to Frank's songwriting up to 95%. It is just this absolutely freedom of thoughts, and at the same time, still hiqh-quality song-writing. He is just like a Salvador Dali of music - incredible talent mixed with incredible intellect, and at the same disregearding any frontiers.
And just like Dali (or any creative person), of course, there will be a peak, mostly correlated with age. For me, cult of ray marks this point.
everything after 'Cult of Ray'???
have you seen the mile high piles of text that go on and on either
defending or dumping on that disc within this forum?
Dali always rocked. even though his peers anagrammed his name into
something to do with dollars because they thought he was a sellout
-Frank was obviously the major talent behind the pixies and it's a
tough pill to swallow given that they all together made a beautiful whole.
sure i was thrown a bit by the Catholics thing -but it's JUST A THING
if you know what i mean -and it's a pretty damn cool thing if you forget it's a thing- open up yer ears...it's a band -just like the pixies were a band -and it just happens to be the only band that carries that original mouthpiece.
so are the non-breeders Kim Deal things also off limit to you or do you even listen to that stuff?
i for one would really like to hear a clear recitation of how frank blacks 'artistic' career ended at Cult of Ray..
strange hair 'n pair o' dice |
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mark t
- FB Fan -
USA
40 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2003 : 10:51:29
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| the bottom line is, this frnk started the band . it was his creation no matter who was in it. he wrote all the songs from inside his head i'm sure he exchanged some ideas here and there. but he was the originator and doe hold the crown. he gets the credit for the art work |
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matt67
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
4 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2003 : 15:12:41
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Just coz Frank started the band doesn't mean he should be given all the credit for every single song! Take 'Gigantic' for example, Kim Deal wrote that song, and in my humble opinion it is one the best songs the Pixies ever did.
Don't get me wrong, I love Frank Blacks' solo stuff, BUT, without Joey Santiago, David Lovering and Kim Deal, the Pixies wouldn't be half the band they are/were. Somewhere in this topic someone suggested that Frank told everyone what guitar and basslines to play as well as the drum parts. Come on! Do you really think three extremely talented and creative musicians would sit back and do what they're told to do? Of course they wouldn't. Joey Santiagos' use of manic feedback, half-tone bends and melodies came nowhere except from inside his head. And what about David Loverings' backwards drumming? He is a unique drummer with an unbeleivable grasp of rhythm and timing.
No musician, be it drummer or guitarist, gets to that level without developing their own style of playing along the way. To say that Frank Black wrote all the songs/parts and to give him all the credit is just totally naive. |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2003 : 15:34:35
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Didn't Frank and Kim co-write "Gigantic"? Maybe Frank did the music and Kim the lyrics? I think I've heard somewhere that Kim never wrote a Pixies song all by herself.
-Nathan
And how does lemur's skin reflect the sea?
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mark t
- FB Fan -
USA
40 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2003 : 16:25:46
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| frnk is the architect , the rest of the members were the subcontractors who built the band. to put in laymens terms. |
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Jettison
- FB Fan -
USA
228 Posts |
Posted - 10/14/2003 : 05:28:46
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frank and joey started the band together.
www.thecroakers.com |
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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *
Austria
1079 Posts |
Posted - 10/14/2003 : 05:33:03
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Originally posted by blarg007
Originally posted by two reelers
so are the non-breeders Kim Deal things also off limit to you or do you even listen to that stuff?
i for one would really like to hear a clear recitation of how frank blacks 'artistic' career ended at Cult of Ray..
strange hair 'n pair o' dice
i didn't say his career ended there; in my opinion he reached his zenith with teenager
it's just i like the records that followed, they are truly original and well-crafted. but - and this is a great but - when i put trompe le monde or teenager and even Cult of Ray on my record player, i can forget about everything else around me in the hour that follows, and a never have this effect with the post-Cult of Ray stuff. |
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Little Black Francis
> Teenager of the Year <
3648 Posts |
Posted - 10/14/2003 : 06:06:25
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What the fuck? Yeah, Frank's dozen solo records suck. You are wrong buddy, go away. Go to "pixiesaregoodbutIamnotafanofFB.net" you ass muncher.
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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *
Austria
1079 Posts |
Posted - 10/14/2003 : 06:54:00
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Originally posted by Little Black Francis
What the fuck? Yeah, Frank's dozen solo records suck. You are wrong buddy, go away. Go to "pixiesaregoodbutIamnotafanofFB.net" you ass muncher.
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wow, what a profound reply. i'm amazed... and what a fine language - "if you all hear is violence, then i make a plea in their defense"
my little black francis, if you would reread my post (it's not that long or sophisticated), you will find a statement that says "Teenager" is the best thing that Charles Thompson=Black Francis=Frank Black ever did. You may fail to notice that Teenager is a FB-record and NOT a Pixies-record.
So, according to your wisdom and deep analytic character, as far as I can read it out of your post, I suggest you should subscribe to "AverageNickelbackFan.net" |
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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *
Austria
1079 Posts |
Posted - 10/14/2003 : 07:04:21
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Originally posted by Little Black Francis
What the fuck? Yeah, Frank's dozen solo records suck. You are wrong buddy, go away. Go to "pixiesaregoodbutIamnotafanofFB.net" you ass muncher.
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Oops, sorry for the reply in my other post. Dumb as I am, I thought you meant me with "ass muncher". (but it's not nice, anyway...)
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riverfelix
- FB Fan -
Belgium
38 Posts |
Posted - 10/14/2003 : 07:20:19
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Dear mr. Peter Radiator,
I do apologize for giving my (friendly) opinion on the Pixies on this forum. Being a fan for many years, owning more than 300 Pixies-items - whether it is a Russian promo or an Australian bootleg -I should nevertheless have realised that you were there when all the songwriting took place.
I am very sorry for my shortsightedness as you call it.
But this is just typical intolerant European behaviour.
In the future I will think twice before I write anything on this forum. Maybe I can ask your permission first, since you seem to know the one and only truth?
Shall I change my name to "Pixies-Ignoramus"?
What do you think!
[ For your information: this post is sarcastic! ]
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ShakeyShake
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1058 Posts |
Posted - 10/14/2003 : 14:52:59
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quote:
Originally posted by peter radiator
Once and for all:
....IF YOU ENJOY THE PIXIES MUSIC, THEN YOU ARE ENJOYING THE HARD WORK, TALENT AND CREATIVE VISION OF BLACK FRANCIS, KIM DEAL, DAVID LOVERING, JOEY SANTIAGO - AND, TO A SLIGHTLY LESSER EXTENT: ERIC DREW FELDMAN, GIL NORTON, ALBINI, HAIGLER, AND THE REST OF THE ENGINEERS AND PRODUCERS WHO CONTRIBUTED TO THEIR ALBUMS......
"Real music is out there and real people are making it." ~ Webb Wilder
Tell it brother!
My bone used to have a little machine,i must have misplaced it |
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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peter radiator
= Cult of Ray =
USA
669 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2003 : 14:16:39
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Originally posted by riverfelix
Dear mr. Peter Radiator,
I do apologize for giving my (friendly) opinion on the Pixies on this forum. Being a fan for many years, owning more than 300 Pixies-items - whether it is a Russian promo or an Australian bootleg -I should nevertheless have realised that you were there when all the songwriting took place.
I am very sorry for my shortsightedness as you call it.
But this is just typical intolerant European behaviour.
In the future I will think twice before I write anything on this forum. Maybe I can ask your permission first, since you seem to know the one and only truth?
Shall I change my name to "Pixies-Ignoramus"?
What do you think!
[ For your information: this post is sarcastic! ]
Riverfelix,
I really didn't mean to be rude - and in my defense, I did say it had been a bad week!
It's just that I feel very strongly that boiling down collective creative endeavors to a simple matehematic formula is (while certainly convenient and pithy) rather insulting to everyone involved - in this case, The Pixies.
I don't mean to insinuate that you're a rude cat. But there have been many people on these boards who continually make it out as though Frank was some sort of mastermind, and the rest of the folks were just along for the ride and could have been easily exchanged for other musicians at least as – if not more – talented as themselves.
While I was of course no fly on the wall during their rehearsals, I've been in many, many original rock bands over the years and had conversations with folks who either worked for or interacted with The Pixies during their time as a touring band, and everything I have experienced in my own life plus what I've been told about theirs seems to gel – as far as collaboration goes.
Again, if I came off as haughty, that was not my intention. I guess your post just reminded me of all the others I had seen that rubbed me the wrong way.
If you lived in Savannah, I'd buy you a cookie. 
~ Peter Radiator
"Real music is out there and real people are making it." ~ Webb Wilder |
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Kirk
= Cult of Ray =
USA
633 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2003 : 14:32:35
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I like the Pixies.
Frank Black sounds too much like Ace of Base.
-Kirk |
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Brackish Girl
~ Soul Eater ~
Ireland
1750 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2003 : 14:36:59
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ace of base????
"I joined the Cult of Trippy/ but i got no icon cos stupid Dean won't tell me how to make one" |
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Chris Knight
= Cult of Ray =
USA
899 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2003 : 16:20:36
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| That is, the NEW Ace of Base featuring one Wilson sister and Dave Thomas from Pere Ubu. |
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Chris Knight
= Cult of Ray =
USA
899 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2003 : 19:41:52
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| Sorry, that didn't make any sense. |
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riverfelix
- FB Fan -
Belgium
38 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2003 : 01:23:17
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Peter Radiator,
let's forget about our little discussion.
I understand your point of view and I hope you understand mine.
We both were in many rockbands over the years, so I guess we both know what we're talking about.
I just wanted to reply to the original question of Dead Halo.
In my opinion, Frank's solo work is still brilliant, although he works with other musicians now! I wanted to put stress on the things that made the Pixies so unique, the things you don't see in other rockbands, the little "extra's". I never meant to say that the other bandmembers, producers, technicians, etc ... were just lucky to be in Frank's band! |
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Brackish Girl
~ Soul Eater ~
Ireland
1750 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2003 : 13:27:52
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dave thomas is in ace of base? is he not? do i think i know who ace of base is? well, i think i do...frank and ace of base...maybe i don't know who ace of base are.
"I joined the Cult of Trippy/ but i got no icon cos stupid Dean won't tell me how to make one" |
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ShakeyShake
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1058 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2003 : 15:12:27
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ace of base were the original euro-pop
My bone used to have a little machine,i must have misplaced it |
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Danishboy
- FB Fan -
Denmark
175 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2003 : 06:56:11
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I loved the pixies, but they´r gone ok!!!the solo albums are out there, and if you dont like them,well i fell sorry for you.
You can go though a whole frank black or a breeders album, and suddenly your there, back in the groove. So the pixies live today, you just have to find them yourself.
Ace of base?????Dont go there, they are only a bunch of mediasluts!!
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2003 : 10:26:11
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dave thomas is in ace of base?
Yes, he was responsible for their song about the 99 Cent Super Value Menu.
-Nathan
And how does lemur's skin reflect the sea?
http://vovat.blogspot.com/ |
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STITCHES
= Cult of Ray =
USA
915 Posts |
Posted - 11/14/2003 : 13:08:51
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Originally posted by Little Black Francis
What the fuck? Yeah, Frank's dozen solo records suck. You are wrong buddy, go away. Go to "pixiesaregoodbutIamnotafanofFB.net" you ass muncher.
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NOW THAT IS SOME FUNNY SHIT!
THERE WAS A MAN, HE WAS A GOOD MAN |
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Sheamus
= Cult of Ray =
Australia
345 Posts |
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ThatOneGirl
- FB Fan -
USA
38 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2003 : 12:48:47
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dude, this is mad crazy; they were a BAND; as in togetherness.. i'm sure every member significantly contributed or they wouldn't have been there in the first place; they freakin rock and i mean all of them; not just Frank.
"you're so pretty when you're unfaithful to me" |
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