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mdisanto
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1140 Posts |
 Posted - 09/21/2003 : 10:11:22
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What exactly is it that makes you guys generally not like this song? I think its got one of the best melodies on the cd, i cant get enough of it.
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2003 : 10:20:39
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It's dull and boring and slightly cheesy.
 "I joined the Cult of Frank / Did anyone else have to give up their first born?" |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2003 : 10:26:51
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i like it.. as mentioned by someone else, it has this kind of Irish drinking song vibe to it. and the content of the song is very much in that vein.. it's kind of overblown and trite. i think it's Frank sort of singing in a style.. i don't think the lyrics are meant to be completely straightforward and heartfelt.
this would be a good song to sing with your drunken Irish friends (hopefully you've got some), arms around each other, swinging beer mugs inison. either that of your Pirate friends, if you have any.. |
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Mr.AD
- FB Fan -
Spain
19 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2003 : 10:43:20
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When will happiness... pretty and warm melody, lovely song.
I really really like it, but maybe being betweeen Massif and Lorraine just makes it seem not as good as it really is.
Big fishes outshining the small one.
Not eating it, but almost.
Too slow, maybe... but still a lovely song. |
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theonecontender
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
565 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2003 : 11:19:27
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| This is my favorite track on the cd. Bar none. And I usually dig the rock ones the most.. |
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mdisanto
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1140 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2003 : 12:53:20
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Originally posted by floop
i like it.. as mentioned by someone else, it has this kind of Irish drinking song vibe to it. and the content of the song is very much in that vein.. it's kind of overblown and trite. i think it's Frank sort of singing in a style.. i don't think the lyrics are meant to be completely straightforward and heartfelt.
this would be a good song to sing with your drunken Irish friends (hopefully you've got some), arms around each other, swinging beer mugs inison. either that of your Pirate friends, if you have any..
yah it kinda reminds me of dirty old town, which is cool cuase i enjoy that song.
and yes barto it is cheesy but i cant get enough of it. i mean "the pigeons around us were cooing" could be the cheesiest line ever, and the way its sung matches that, but something about it is so great. i love the way dave singings with him on cooing as corny as it is.
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mereubu
= FB QuizMistress =
USA
2677 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2003 : 13:06:08
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I love it too. It sounds like a Pogues song, and they're anything but cheesy.
 "I joined the Cult of Frank / And all I got was this lousy icon" |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2003 : 13:49:51
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The only thing i'm crazy about in this song is the pigeons line..reminds me of the Beck song 'Girl of my Dreams':
I first met you down on Lovers Lane..
The birds were insane..
Flapping all around..
hahah..
I'm not crazy about Irish tunes (sorry!) so that's my feeling on it. |
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frank_black_francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
895 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2003 : 14:28:07
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| Its one of my faves....'she picked up the phone, the bombs were deployed, the people they groaned, the world was destroyed'.......sweet! |
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Jayhawk
- FB Fan -
80 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2003 : 20:07:44
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Little Black Francis
> Teenager of the Year <
3648 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2003 : 21:09:32
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I wan't too keen on it at first but it has since gown on me...
"I'm drunk all the time... the sun never shines"
great vibe for shizzy my f.bizzy wizzy's
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HashWax
- FB Fan -
USA
29 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2003 : 21:15:11
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hey dave, what album is that beck song on? ive never heard of it before....
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2003 : 21:36:23
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| Dave, you don't like Irish music? what are you, a racist? |
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1764 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2003 : 22:26:23
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| I personally find Lorraine to be the weakest track on the album. |
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mdisanto
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1140 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2003 : 22:43:16
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i think old heartache is the weakest, it starts off good, but it kinda loses steam in some way i cant put my finger on when he sings it real low.
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1738 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2003 : 22:44:21
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That song (When Will Happiness Find Me Again) is one of my favorites of the whole album too. I like "Massif Centrale" but I think "When Will Happiness Find Me Again" is a stronger song than "Goodbye Lorraine." I love the line about "...and the pigeons above us were cooing..." It wouldn't work for all musicians, but it works perfectly for Frank Black.
I personally feel least when I hear "New House of the Pope." But it's still an okay song.
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
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Edited by - glacial906 on 09/21/2003 22:45:25 |
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Malax
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1340 Posts |
Posted - 09/22/2003 : 01:37:13
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On the subject of cheese:
my favorite kiss
just when her mouth is warm
yes thats definately my favourite one
BLAH!
When will happiness find me again is alright certainly not my favourite its way to corny. |
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The Holiday Son
= Quote Accumulator =
France
2002 Posts |
Posted - 09/22/2003 : 02:26:42
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Love this song.
Way better than Manitoba. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6118 Posts |
Posted - 09/22/2003 : 03:44:50
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It's my favourite from the new album
''it's not a box, it's a submarine'' |
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gracie
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
573 Posts |
Posted - 09/22/2003 : 05:51:30
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My Favourite Kiss is the worst song on the album, it may even be my least favourite FB song ever!
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blarg007
= Cult of Ray =
USA
493 Posts |
Posted - 09/22/2003 : 05:59:57
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it is one of the best songs on the disc!
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 09/22/2003 : 07:25:44
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No justification other than my subjective opinion, but it's definitely my least favourite on SMYT. A little too straightforward, I suppose, if you want something qualitative, but it's still FB which means that it's a good track. Just the least among kings.
"Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened" |
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 09/22/2003 : 07:31:57
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I like this song..... not too sure what the worst on the album is...... hmmm, Coastline or Jaina Blues, but worst is a harsh word as I like them as well.
Who's the man that won't cop out when there's danger all about? |
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mdisanto
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1140 Posts |
Posted - 09/22/2003 : 10:10:33
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well "least favorite" implies that its still a favorite, just not "the" favorite. its a little more tactful than "worst" if you truely do like all the songs.
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blarg007
= Cult of Ray =
USA
493 Posts |
Posted - 09/22/2003 : 10:33:50
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Originally posted by El Barto
It's dull and boring and slightly cheesy.
"I joined the Cult of Frank / Did anyone else have to give up their first born?"
all the songs on this new disc could be accused of a certain
cheesyness -but it's a 'good cheese' somewhere else on this forum it was noted how all the songs seem to be of the homage variety,
like how 'the snake' is like Roxy Music -'everything is new' is somewhat like a T. Petty song (but much better) etc.
through the first few listens all i got out of it was how it is a seemingly wholly derivitave project but on the other hand the type
of sound that is favored by the band these days lends itself to
sounding like something that has gone before.
so waddya gonna do? -for such a lame song it's sure getting back-up
from the yea-sayers...at first i thought it was a little tacky:
'...the bombs were deployed...' but actually it is a well done tune and i find it more listenable than something like 'Massif Centrale'
which to me sounds like frank re-hashing himself.
all in all it's a great album.
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blarg007
= Cult of Ray =
USA
493 Posts |
Posted - 09/22/2003 : 10:36:38
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coastline gets my vote for worst
-worst of the best.
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anazgnos
= Cult of Ray =
USA
383 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2003 : 01:14:20
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Originally posted by HashWax
hey dave, what album is that beck song on? ive never heard of it before....
*brandon
One foot in the grave, man...i thought that was the beck album...while were on the subject of simple, effective poetry, 'asshole' from the same album is chockablock with the same quality...
"She dangles carrots / makes you feel embarassed"
 "Join the Cult of Frank / more fun than a trip to the Black Lodge" |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7441 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2003 : 02:55:44
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WWHFMA is my second fave song on the album, just behind Jaina Blues.
Denis
"I'm in the Cult of Frank/Now how the hell do I get out?" |
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2003 : 03:25:05
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Originally posted by mdisanto
well "least favorite" implies that its still a favorite, just not "the" favorite. its a little more tactful than "worst" if you truely do like all the songs.
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good point.
Who's the man that won't cop out when there's danger all about? |
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2003 : 03:27:16
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I think for me the best song is a toss up between Manitoba (which I really didn't think much of for about a week), Everything is New and The Snake.
Who's the man that won't cop out when there's danger all about? |
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blarg007
= Cult of Ray =
USA
493 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2003 : 06:42:23
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Originally posted by anazgnos
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Originally posted by HashWax
hey dave, what album is that beck song on? ive never heard of it before....
*brandon
One foot in the grave, man...i thought that was the beck album...while were on the subject of simple, effective poetry, 'asshole' from the same album is chockablock with the same quality...
"She dangles carrots / makes you feel embarassed"
"Join the Cult of Frank / more fun than a trip to the Black Lodge"
..saw beck do an impromptu parking lot gig at lollapalooza and
he wouldn't play 'satan gave me a taco' as it he had played it so much
he was sick of it -he was doing requests and did asshole..
-Mr. Woodring rocks the Kasbah -his Frank is from the black lodge
i believe.
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frank_black_francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
895 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2003 : 07:08:05
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Brackish Girl
~ Soul Eater ~
Ireland
1750 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2003 : 07:41:30
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i like wwhfma an awful lot.
"In the Cult of Frank/it pays off to be an 'Irish Chick'" |
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Welsho
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 09/23/2003 : 11:33:06
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beck's best songs are inspired by heartbreak. 'asshole', 'nobody's fault but my own' and then the entire 'sea change' ps
ps. show me your tears hasn't sunk in yet. the jury is still out for me |
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Little Black Francis
> Teenager of the Year <
3648 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2003 : 23:22:19
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I hate that song.
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anazgnos
= Cult of Ray =
USA
383 Posts |
Posted - 09/24/2003 : 13:55:58
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wwhfma is pretty tops. I heard Manitoba several times live, solo & w/Catholics before the album came out and always thought it was just okay, not an overacheiving melody or lyric by any means, but for me, the album version was an absolute revelation. it stopped me dead in my tracks, and a tear came to my eye. It wasn't just the Van Dyke Parks intro, or the accordian, or the trumpet solo, or the scintillating guitar arpeggio (rather than just non-articulated strum-a-long heard in all previous versions), but certainly all the special touches in this arrangement conspired to make something far greater than the sum of it's parts. I don't know if I've ever heard such a major transformation from live -> studio in a Catholics song. You hear it a little on the DITS tracks vs. their early incarnations but it's not nearly as striking. Anyhow it was this tranformation that confirmed for me the absolute rightness of Frank's current artistic path. I feel as good about this song and this album as I've ever felt about anything he's done, and it's honestly been a few years since I felt I could say that. Sorry if this is off-topic but there is no official Manitoba appreciation thread.
"Join the Cult of Frank / it's more fun than a trip to the Black Lodge" |
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