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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
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 Posted - 09/04/2003 : 13:19:59
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
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Posted - 09/04/2003 : 16:56:32
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WOW! THEY'RE SUGGESTING A NICE, SLIM PRICE OF ONLY $13 A CD! A SAVINGS OF $2!
Now, in reality, Circuit City and Best Buy really do have reasonable prices on their albums, especially new releases. I've seen a lot of new releases for under $10, which is about as reasonable as one can get without being totally rediculous. I don't understand how places like Sam Goody or FYE can stay in businesses, charging as much as $20 for a single fucking album. That's highway robbery. It's unfortunate that indie music stores can't charge this little because then I would think they'd get a lot more business. However, it's good to know that these major music labels are realizing that they're bending people over and the people know it, thus causing them to change with the times. Take that, Pigs.
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 09/04/2003 : 17:05:35
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Originally posted by Dave Noisy
Yeah, this is something...will prices actually go down? And will musicians lose money in this?
Most musicians never made anything anyway...
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ProverbialCereal
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Posted - 09/04/2003 : 19:01:42
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Originally posted by El Barto
I don't understand how places like Sam Goody or FYE can stay in businesses, charging as much as $20 for a single [bleeping] album.
I wonder this all the time. When I see people in these stores at the mall, I want to get a megaphone and say "Hello, people, have you heard of Best Buy?"
My theory is FYE and Sam Goody stay in business because they are almost always in malls. So people probably just kill two birds with one stone: "We need clothes, food... oh why not get an 18 dollar Michelle Branch CD for little Susie while we're here." Also they might nab a bunch of unsuspecting eldery people getting presents for their grandkids during Christmas holidays.
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Crispy Water
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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Posted - 09/04/2003 : 19:22:50
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Obviously music is overpriced and perhaps even more obvious is that lower prices are good for Joe Consumer. What I want to know is where the money is coming from to make a price drop possible. I can't imagine their production costs can be falling. Also, I can't see a price reduction really causing a surge in sales when there's still the chance to find these things for free on the internet. People will always be cheap, and labels are run by people. Their cheap, dollar-stacking mentality is what made music so expensive in the first place - they should understand how fans feel.
In short, I guess a price drop is good: like anyone, I like to save money on my purchases. However, the fact remains that everything they release will still at some point be made available for free to those who seek it. Good idea, but it won't quite have the desired effect.
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
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Posted - 09/04/2003 : 20:44:07
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My theory is FYE and Sam Goody stay in business because they are almost always in malls. So people probably just kill two birds with one stone
Also, a lot of towns just don't have a CC or BB. When I lived in Shippensburg, the nearest CC was about a half-hour either way, north or south. The mall was within 10 minutes. I refused to ever buy any CDs from the mall. Jeremy (of The Bennies) would always be buying CDs (he has the largest CD collection I've EVER seen) and that's where he'd buy em from. Poor guy. Now I live in a cool town, with a Circuit City and Best Buy....however, there's a really cool indie store downtown, where I'll be spending larger sums of money to purchase my CDs. I even got a job at a video store chain who has a store that cells CDs which I can get at cost (not much less)...sooo I guess not a lot has changed. I will, however, feel a ton better dumping my $15 into an indie shop.
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ProverbialCereal
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Posted - 09/04/2003 : 21:31:07
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Does anybody know the discount you get on CDs if you work at Best Buy? Do you get them at cost? And if so, how much is cost on the average CD? I might seriously work at Best Buy, because I mostly buy CDs, DVDs, and other electronic stuff. It seems like it would be a money saver for me.
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
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4020 Posts |
Posted - 09/04/2003 : 22:08:03
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Best Buy would be cool as hell to work at, I wish I could work there. I know at CompUSA we got things at cost...I don't know what Best Buy's policy is. My friend used to work at Circuit City and I believe he got his stuff at cost as well, so I wouldn't be surprised if you can get stuff at cost at Best Buy. CDs, DVDs, games, and software in general really aren't marked up that much from cost...you wouldn't save a whole lot. Real savings come in electronics and stuff, the markups are somewhat high.
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
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Posted - 09/04/2003 : 22:48:55
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Hey guys, note that it's the MSRP that's going down - so prices will be even lower. (What's the current MSRP? $18?)
It'll be pretty neat if there's a price war.. |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
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Posted - 09/04/2003 : 23:46:36
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It doesn't make sense...maybe this will only mean that no store anywhere will charge more than $13 for an album. They say their current MSRP is $16.98-$18.98...as mentioned, BB and CC sell WELL below that price. I'd like to see how low prices get. Granted, this is only one label, albiet the largest.
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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
USA
725 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2003 : 07:45:21
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More good news? Do you think that the record company realized somewhere along the line that a hostile attitude toward your most fervent customers isn't going to lead to more business?
Amnesty for Downloaders:
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ProverbialCereal
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Posted - 09/05/2003 : 11:42:23
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Originally posted by Crispy Water
Also, I can't see a price reduction really causing a surge in sales when there's still the chance to find these things for free on the internet. ...
...However, the fact remains that everything they release will still at some point be made available for free to those who seek it. Good idea, but it won't quite have the desired effect.
I'm gonna have to disagree with you slightly there. Sure there will always be kids who download whole albums for free, but people that actually purchase albums might buy albums more frequently if there is a price drop. I know if I could get all CDs for less than 12 (or whatever), on a monthly basis, I'd probably buy at least 25% more CDs than I do now. Even Best Buy has regular CDs that I want priced at $14.99; if these CDs were to be slashed by 3 or 4 dollars, I'd be much more inclined to buy it. Otherwise, I'd check half.com to see if I could get those 15 buck albums for half that.
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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
USA
725 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2003 : 11:53:37
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When I am shopping I usually have a $40us price limit per visit. I dont go in thinking that, it just seems like I never end up indulging myself more than that. So, if I am lucky enough to get a couple of cheap cd's I will buy a 3rd. I wont buy 3 cd's for $18 on 1 trip because it pisses me off.
I have read that the cost to produce CD's is actually cheaper than vinyl/cassetes and the price increase that occured when cd's came into being was opportunism, not cost. So, I have always been looking for the cheapest deal because I knew the profit margin had gone up at my/our expense. So, I for one would buy more music and probably end up spending more $'s in aggregate with a decent price drop. |
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Crispy Water
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 09/05/2003 : 12:11:13
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All right Derek, that's fair. In talking to people I know this has come up many times, and most of them seem to have a "Why pay for it?" attitude. So I hope your case does not prove to be an exceptional one. I, for one, will keep buying CDs as long as they keep coming, but I also download songs without the slightest pang of conscience. The music piracy issue is one that I just can't get too worked up over one way or the other. The way I see it, anyone who sees getting into the entertainment industry (or any other where public tastes dictate sales) as a source of guaranteed income needs to give their head a shake. Not that they don't deserve to make money for their work, but by now everyone in the music industry should be prepared to deal with the public freely trading their product. Their system had a major shakeup - it looks pretty much irreversible - but if they're that business-savvy they'll find a way to make money anyhow. I know some people that talk about the file trading phenomenon as back payment on all the times they've been gouged at the CD counter, but both arguments kind of strike me as irrelevant at this point. Each has taken the other for a ride; the reasonable thing now would seem to be negotiating some sort of compromise, but from this fan's shoes the industry would rather put itself back in a dominant rather than cooperative position. I can see it becoming a cycle where the industry takes one shot and the eye-for-an-eye public fires back for awhile, but I'm far from an expert.
Wow, I don't make much sense.
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