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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
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 Posted - 09/04/2003 : 01:40:29
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This might be revealing my level of dorkness, but is anyone else out there into comic books at all? I'm not talking about strictly X-Men, Spider-Man and the like...anyone? Anybody ever read "the Sandman" or Frank Miller's "Sin City?" Comic book art, or pulp or pop art in general, is something I wish I could do for a career.
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 09/04/2003 : 03:48:15
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I used to collect Punisher and Daredevil comics, back around 10 years ago. They were pretty cool, but then I lost interest. Both have been made into crap movies (haven't seen Daredevil, just heard about it).
What is it about superhero comics, they rarely make good films?
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 09/04/2003 : 03:50:26
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Oh, and Green Hornet comics as I was obsessed with Bruce Lee as a kid.
Bacon....... Its not fantastic |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7441 Posts |
Posted - 09/04/2003 : 04:33:14
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Does anyone know Charles Burns? I'm currently reading Black Hole and I love it. It's about a group of teens in the 70's who develop a rare disease that makes them mutate, ie one of them has a mouth in the middle of the chest, another one grows a lizard tail, etc. It's creepy but great, it deals with teenage angst, sexuality and stuff.
Comics are getting a huge recognition in France and they're publishing a lot of very good foreign authors, mostly american & japanese.
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Scarla O
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
947 Posts |
Posted - 09/04/2003 : 05:00:55
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Speaking of comic books being made into movies, i have to say that not one of the Batman movies (excluding the 60s film) has moved me even slightly...am i alone in this regard? |
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KennySue
- FB Fan -
New Zealand
24 Posts |
Posted - 09/04/2003 : 06:43:33
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“Alan Moore Knows The Score!” – in the words of the song. (Can U Dig It? By Pop Will Eat Itself.)
Not that the movies of Alan Moore’s comic books / graphic novels are particularly worthwhile.
Even with Johnny Depp I didn’t bother with From Hell and I’m still undecided about The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen with Sean Connery.
The main problem with superhero comics, and the movies based on them, is that when Good battles Evil, Good must win.
They’re the Westerns of the comic-book medium.
Now there is a handful of great Westerns, a few handfuls of good Westerns and a shitload, if that’s the right word, of simplistic White hat – Black hat, cut ‘em off at the pass, gun ‘em down at the end, and ride off into the sunset Westerns.
Ditto with comic-books.
Of course! Both they and Westerns were created to entertain adolescent boys with clichéd characters, plodding plots, dismal dialogue and unrealistic violence.
Now it took many years before John Ford began making Westerns with more intricate and interesting characters and a few years after that before Sergio Leone took over and continued the evolution of the genre. And of course we mustn’t forget the influence of Japanese filmmaker Akira Kurosawa. And more recently Clint Eastwood’s gloriously unglorious Unforgiven.
And all the while the shit was continually loaded, i.e. the matinee fodder was churned out by the studios. Why? Because they were, and still are, cheap and nutritious. Except it’s not the kid’s matinee on Saturday anymore, it’s direct-to-video and DVD.
So it’s not just movies based on superhero characters that are less than totally engrossing, it’s the whole action genre because blowing some shit up (Shock) looks good on screen (Awe) and is a safer bet than practically anything else.
It’s the triumph of, for want of a better word, Style over Substance.
Now Westerns aren’t the only genre of movies being made. As Alan Moore once commented it would be truly tragic if Westerns were the only type of movies ever made. No matter how much you love watching a good Western, or even a bad one, there’s so much more the medium of cinema can contribute to society.
Now comic-books have been constrained in a way that the cinematic medium hasn’t had to endure. Movies have been made about every aspect of human existence from Iranian children and their shoes (The Children of Heaven) to Inuit love, jealously and murder (Atanarjuat - the Fast Runner) whereas comic books were locked into the four-colour fantasy world of caped crusaders and villainous villains.
Only in the last few decades have the scope of comic books broadened to include the areas other mediums such as literature, the theatre, and cinema have explored to great artistic and commercial effect.
Before J-Lo. Before Cameron Diaz. Before Ricky Martin.
Before even “Crackity Jones” and “Isla De Encanta” there was Luba.
There was Maggie.
There was Hopey.
There was Love & Rockets.
Jaime and Gilbert Hernandez's celebration of Latin-American people doing Latin-American things in a Latin-American way. In Latin-America!
So the characters are there. The stories are there. The tits are there. And have been for over twenty years (Love & Rockets first published in 1982), it’s just that the movie studios are reluctant to take chances when Vin Diesel grunting his way through XXX makes so much money.
And why should they? They’ve got bills to pay. And taxes.
And do we really need them to? I know I don’t.
I didn’t bother with the movie based on Alan Moore’s From Hell because I had already read the graphic novel. And I do mean novel. Mr Moore and Eddie Campbell together created a masterpiece of narrative, character, exploration and analysis based on the murders attributed to Jack the Ripper in Whitechapel, London, England in the year of our Lord 1888.
I haven’t seen any of the Batman movies. The X-Men – No. Daredevil - No. Judge Dredd – No. The Hulk – No thank-you. Spider-Man – Not yet. The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen – Maybe tomorrow, if I wake up in time.
The only two movies based on comic books I like are, of course, Akira (1988) a Japanese anime based on the manga of the same name; and, also of course, Fritz the Cat (1972) based on Robert Crumb’s 1960s underground comic book. Both animated – not live-action. Perhaps that’s significant.
Anyroad, for those interested in comic books and their evolution I would recommend The Comics Journal at www.tcj.com .
And if you really must have superheros with you comic book reading I suggest Alan Moore’s Top 10. Described as Hill Street Blues with superheros. The daily grind of the cops who have to keep the peace in a city where everyone is a superhero! Yes! Everyone!
Peace, Love and Thud.
Kenny-Sue.
www.freewebs.com/kennethsusan
www.geocities.com/kennethsusan
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 09/04/2003 : 13:32:53
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Useyourname
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185 Posts |
Posted - 09/04/2003 : 14:56:02
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I read Stray Bullets the coolest comic book.
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mun chien andalusia
= Quote Accumulator =
Italy
2139 Posts |
Posted - 09/04/2003 : 19:13:44
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Originally posted by Scarla O
Speaking of comic books being made into movies, i have to say that not one of the Batman movies (excluding the 60s film) has moved me even slightly...am i alone in this regard?
Yes you are.Tim Burton's Batman 1 + 2 are great...
As about comix Jodorowsky/Jimenez Metabarons and Jodorowsky/Moebius Incall are my favourites.Bilal is cool too. |
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
2953 Posts |
Posted - 09/04/2003 : 19:17:54
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The first two Batman's are awesome. Batman Forever is pretty good, and the Batman and Robin one kinda sucks.
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therewererumours
* Dog in the Sand *
Ireland
1240 Posts |
Posted - 09/04/2003 : 19:55:50
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Ahhmmm, I'm pretty anti-Marvel and stuff, though I was obsessed with Judge Dredd for most of my teenage life and Greg Staples blows my mind. The Acme Libary, featuring Jimmy Corigan, Qimby the Mouse, Rocket Sam and Rusty Brown make me weep with joy and simultanious horror, Cheaster Brown and Moebius are my Idol's. Plug again.........www.coroflot.com/barrahughes Hopefully Malsaine will be out this Sept, and a good few issues will be winging their way to the good old US of A! (from which the writer origianated and will hopefully be seeing Frank with me in Oct)
"Lets have a game of Go Johny, go, go, go , go. Everyboby knows, Go!, Johny, go, go, go, go" |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 09/04/2003 : 20:39:02
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I've never really been into comics much, but I always thought Marvel was a lot cooler than DC...Marvel seems more cutting edge and cool. I did, though, go through a brief comic bout and collected the "Superman is dead" series...I have nearly the entire series, and maybe it'll be worth something some day. I also have all the Simpsons comics up to a certain point...never really read them though. I always wished I were into comics more.
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1738 Posts |
Posted - 09/04/2003 : 21:09:29
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| I don't think comics will ever gain in the popularity to become collector's items worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, even in fifty or sixty years. Everyone that buys them now wraps them, and saves them, and there are alot of copies printed of each issue. Some of them that are intentionally printed in low print numbers might gain some value, but the only reason Action Comics #1 is worth anything is because our grandparents didn't take care of them for the most part; if they had, and there were thousands of copies each polybagged and boarded, they probably wouldn't be worth much at all. |
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Visiting Sasquatch
= Cult of Ray =
USA
451 Posts |
Posted - 09/04/2003 : 21:35:58
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Big fan of Jonny the Homicidal Maniac, Squee!, Invader Zim...er...anything Jhonen Velasquez...hehe.
And I love Calvin and Hobbes, and Todd McFarlane toys, McFarlane era Spiderman, Jim Lee's X-Men, Sam Keith's Wolverine and Maxx...as you can probably tell, I haven't been to comic shop in a while.
I do like Burtons' Batmans, the rest are blah. Haven't seen Daredevil or Hulk or X2, but I did like Spiderman, and the first X-Men was ok. |
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Visiting Sasquatch
= Cult of Ray =
USA
451 Posts |
Posted - 09/04/2003 : 21:37:54
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 09/04/2003 : 21:40:47
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Originally posted by Scarla O
Speaking of comic books being made into movies, i have to say that not one of the Batman movies (excluding the 60s film) has moved me even slightly...am i alone in this regard?
The first Batman was a good movie, but the rest are cack if you ask me, including Batman Returns. I can't actually think of any decent superhero movie, apart from the first two Superman films.
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 09/04/2003 : 22:12:20
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You said it, glacial. I watched a special on the History Channel about comics books and they said pretty much the same thing...not a lot of pre-WWII comics exist because they had to recycle the paper or something like that?
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1738 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2003 : 07:28:52
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EVERYTHING back then was in high demand for recycling. Any luxury or entertainment item was needed, and called for, in the war effort. Superman, Batman, and some other DC characters had actually been created before that. I think it's odd that at some point, my grandfather could've carried a rolled-up copy of Action or Detective Comics #1 in his back pocket when he was a kid. He could've been set in his old age, and never even known it!!!
As to comic book movies, I have to agree with Stuart, the first Batman was good, and Batman Returns was enhhh....okay, but the rest were slippery dog shit. X-Men was okay, X-Men 2 was better. Spider-Man sucked ass. Daredevil was tolerable.
I'm not in reality too keen on superheroes anymore. I think X-Men comics have some interesting characters, and situations, but that's probably only because I have such familiarity with the characters. I look at comics as, although seeminly a dying medium, one that could support a huge array of stories, not just superheroes and cosmic battles and the like. It's sad that comics are becoming obsolete slowly but surely, and that they only achieved this capacity for mature, articulate storytelling in their later years. |
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Scarla O
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
947 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2003 : 07:32:53
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Yeah Stuart, i agree that the Superman films were quite good...Poor old Christopher Reeves eh! |
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1738 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2003 : 07:48:02
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I don't know of anyone these days who could pull off playing Superman in a movie...certainly not Nicholas Cage; he's too goofy. (Although in some movies a damn good actor. Did anyone know he's a Coppolla?) I am not of the opinion that ANYTHING they can do and make look cool in a comic they can transfer to screen. (See Spider-Man. one of the baddest-ass costumes in comics, but it just DOESN'T WORK IN REAL LIFE!!!) I am not really too anxious to see a modern-day Superman film.
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Scarla O
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
947 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2003 : 08:21:45
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Yeah i think i'm with you on that one glacial. |
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ObfuscateByWill
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1887 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2003 : 08:35:07
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I've never been into comics.
However, when I was about seven-years-old I collected Ralph Snart comics.
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2003 : 17:50:38
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I found out that Cage was a Copolla when I was reading the making of the Godfather book. Francis actually thought about including him in the third Godfather I believe (along with Winona Ryder who would have taken place of the awful Sofia Copolla). In fact, the Godfather has many of Copolla's family included, Carmine Copolla composed some of the music, and Talia Shire (Connie Corleone) a.k.a Adrienne from the Rocky films is his sister.
I agree that they should leave the Superman films, they got it right with Chris Reeve in the 70's but should ruin it now with someone like Cage, who hasn't been in a good movie for ages. Glacial, you are correct, he is goofy and wouldn't be able to pull off the part as well as Reeve did. In my opinion Superman 2 is the greatest superhero of all time with lines like 'Girl or no girl you're gonna spit teeth' and Terence Stamp 'Son of Durrel, you will kneel before Zod.' Classic, I hope Reeve one day makes a full recovery. If you get a chance read his book then do, it is very good.
Here is some Batman news I found this morning, about a new Batman film:
The list of potential actors to star as young Batman continues to grow, and Brit director Chris Nolan (Memento, Insomnia) will be able to choose from some of the hottest young stars to play the under-30 Bruce Wayne. According to AICN and Hollywood Reporter: Christian Bale (American Psycho), Jake Gyllenhaal (Donnie Darko), Joshua Jackson (Pacey in Dawson’s Creek), Cillian Murphy (28 Days Later), Hugh Dancy (TV’s Madame Bovary) and Henry Cavill (Count of Monte Cristo) have all thrown their cowls in the ring. The new film is a prequel to the others and is rumoured to be called Batman: Intimidation.
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Blackolyte
- FB Fan -
USA
109 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2003 : 01:57:34
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Wow! A thread about Comics! Another passion of mine that doesn't include FB or Pixies. Well, here's my 2 cents worth.
Some books I'm reading:
-Promethea
-New X-Men (cool take on the muties)
-The Ultimates
-Batman
-Blood + Water
-The Filth
-Black Hole (Beautiful B&W art)
-The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (NOT your typical super-hero stuff. Besides, Alan Moore writes it! I haven't seen the movie.)
-Tom Strong
Writers/Artists I'm into:
-Alan Moore: (SwampThing, Miracle Man, and Watchmen etc., etc., etc.,)
-Grant Morrison (Doom Patrol, The Filth & New X-Men)
-Neil Gaiman (Sandman)
-Charles Burns (Black Hole)
-Brain Bolland (Batman: Killing Joke and all his beautiful covers)
-Frank Miller (Daredevil, Batman: Dark Knight, Batman: Year One, Ronin)
-Walt Simonson (Thor
-Joe Benitez (The Magdalena. He draws the best women in comics.)
-Chester Brown (Yummy Fur. Funny, sick stuff.)
-R. Crumb
-Alex Ross
-Garth Ennis
-Coop
-Bill Sienkewicz
I could go on forever.
Some books I'm working/worked on:
-The Crew
-Aphrodite IX
-The Gift
-Witchblade
-Fathom
-The Darkness
-Spawn
-Elektra
-More Than Mortal
-Witchfinder
-The Magdalena
If you want to see how the Batman should be filmed, check out: http://www.holtreman.net/batman-dead-end/
Yeah. I'm a big geek.
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Blackolyte
- FB Fan -
USA
109 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2003 : 02:04:44
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Hey KennySue,
Ditto on The Comics Journal and Top Ten. |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7441 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2003 : 02:20:41
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Very nice list Blackolyte... What would you recommend to a Charles Burns fan?
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miguel
- FB Fan -
USA
213 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2003 : 03:10:03
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ahh yes, R.Crumb.. I like Basil Wolverton too.
I was hugely into comics, they taught me how to draw.
Lobo was a cool comic. There sure were some lame comics out there..
What was that one.. Speedball or something? This teenage guy who bounced of
of walls in this blue and yellow suit.. he had a hair don't that looked
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Blackolyte
- FB Fan -
USA
109 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2003 : 12:44:51
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Originally posted by vilainde
Very nice list Blackolyte... What would you recommend to a Charles Burns fan?
Denis
Finding single issues of Burns' stuff will be hard to find, but you're in luck because many of his stories are being collected in hardcover volumes.
Check out:
-Big Baby Hardcover (which was collected and includes stuff from the pages of Raw magazine)
-Skin Deep (I think this is collected.)
-Real stuff (I can't remember specific issues.)
-Zero Zero (I can't remember specific issues.)
-El Borbah (I think this is being collected.)
-Curse of the Molemen (I don't know if it's collected. Great stuff.)
-Altoids magazine ads (here in the states.)
-Hollywood Characters Card Set (If I remember right, he did four cards. I don't know how easy this will be to find.)
This is all I can remember, Denis. Most of my stuff is packed away or else I'd have no space to more around in! Check out http://www.fantagraphics.com for more help. In fact I'll check it too because I haven't been to the site in a long while.
Other non-mainstream artists you may want to check out:
-The Friedmans (together and solo.)
-Peter Bagge (Hate is hillarious!)
-Dan Clowes
-Richard Sala
-Chris Ware (Beautiful style and design)
-Chester Brown (Yummy Fur)
I better stop now, or I'll just keep typing! Enjoy!
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Blackolyte
- FB Fan -
USA
109 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2003 : 23:09:24
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Hey Denis,
In my excitement of you mentioning Charles Burns, I misread your post to me asking what to recommend to you. The list on Burns I gave to must have been redundant to you, since you are a fan. In my excitement I just assumed you only read Black Hole. Oops. I hope I didn't come off as an ass. My apologies.
Do they still have that comic convention in France? The name and city that hosts it escapes me. I heard that it's the biggest in the world.(the hostess with the mostest?) ;) |
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1738 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2003 : 01:59:00
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Originally posted by miguel
ahh yes, R.Crumb.. I like Basil Wolverton too.
I was hugely into comics, they taught me how to draw.
Lobo was a cool comic. There sure were some lame comics out there..
What was that one.. Speedball or something? This teenage guy who bounced of
of walls in this blue and yellow suit.. he had a hair don't that looked
like a Dairy Queen ice cream cone.
Yeah, that whole team "the New Warriors" that Speedball was a part of sucked ass. The leader was named "Night Thrasher." What a moronic name. It sounds like someone who has terrible dreams, and can't get to sleep at night for all the thrashing. Marvel tried to do something with one of the NW characters, Nova, but to no avail. That was a bad time for Marvel.
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1738 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2003 : 02:19:38
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 What does the 8-ball smiley mean???!!!
Hey Blackolyte:
I was pretty amazed to find out you were an inker. That is really fucking cool. My first ambition was always to be in comics, whether it is penciling, inking or writing, hopefully one day I will be writing and penciling my own series. (Although I do want to learn how to ink.)
Did you always want to do inking? I know if I could get a job like yours, I would snatch it up in a heartbeat, just so I could work in the field that I love. Penciling would be my first choice, but inking would be totally acceptable.
It would be too cool of you to answer couple of my stupid questions:
What types of pens do you personally use? How much, if any, do you use a crow quill pen and how much something like a rapidograph?
How long have you been inking professionally?
NOT that I'm asking you to give me an exact figure, but how much could one hope to make doing inking?
I would be interested to know what particular issues of the comics you mentioned you did the inking chores in so I could check them out.
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Blackolyte
- FB Fan -
USA
109 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2003 : 00:29:40
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Hey glacial906,
that's cool that you want to get into the biz. I'll try to answer your q's as best as I can. Thanks for your interest
I did not want to be an inker first, I wanted to pencil. but after a few conventions of showing samples and getting mostly deconstructive criticism, I basically gave up (what a mistake).
After various production, design and freelance art jobs, I found that I still had the bug and started messing around with brush inking. I got a gig with now departed Mushroom Comics. When they went belly-up, I got my skills up and became Joe Weems' assistant. I did all his background stuff for Top Cow and Marvel, and still occasionally help him out.
I use the 102 croquill exclusively. I will use a rapidiograph 6x0 and 4x0 for small details on backgrounds, when the quill is not being cooperative. I find the line of the pens to be a little static for the my style. I like the bounce you can get with the quill.
Including my tenure with Weems, I've been inking for eight years now.
When it comes to money, Marvel's starting rate is about $120 per page. DC I think is about the same. I've done jobs that have had page rates from $50.00 to over $200.00. You can make good coin from royalties on high selling books. Then you can sell the originals after they're split up.
Issue #'s:
-The Crew #1 thru 5 (under Danny Miki's Crime Lab Studios - uncredited) I did the whole first issue and most of 2, 3 and 4. I'm currently doing the whole of issue 5.
-Aphrodite IX #0 (pages 4 & 5 plus backgrounds for Weems)
-The Gift #1, 2 and 4
-Witchblade #56
-Fathom #0 thru 7 (backgrounds for Weems)
-The Darkness #'s? (whaterver issues Weems did, I did his backgrounds)
-Spawn #125 p13 (under Crime Lab - uncredited)
-Elektra #15 - 17 (under Crime Lab)
-More Than Mortal (I can't remember the issues, but the majority was over Romano Molenaar, a few pages over Firchow)
-Witchfinder #1 - 3
-The Magdalena #1 - 3 (backgrounds for Weems)
-Untold Sories of Lady Death #1
-Witchbalde Gallery (pin-up over Romano)
Wow, that hurt my brain trying to remember all that. Hope that was somewhat of a help. Let me know what you think.
Have you shown stuff to any publishers or been to any cons?
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 09/12/2003 : 03:48:49
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Originally posted by Blackolyte
Hey Denis,
In my excitement of you mentioning Charles Burns, I misread your post to me asking what to recommend to you. The list on Burns I gave to must have been redundant to you, since you are a fan. In my excitement I just assumed you only read Black Hole. Oops. I hope I didn't come off as an ass. My apologies.
Do they still have that comic convention in France? The name and city that hosts it escapes me. I heard that it's the biggest in the world.(the hostess with the mostest?) ;)
I guess you're talking about Angouleme. Yes, it's getting bigger and bigger every year, and it gets a massive coverage in the media here. I've never been there though (it's a bit far from Paris).
About Burns: I discovered him very recently, and started with Black Hole. I only know Big Baby apart from that, and I don't think his other comics have been translated into French, I'd have to order them from Fantagraphics. Meanwhile I'll check out the other artists you mention. I already know Ware, Clowes and Brown but I'll try to find the other ones.
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1738 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2003 : 21:38:36
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Hey Blackolyte:
No, I have never once been to a convention, I guess I just need to suck it up and drive to Nashville or Memphis sometime where all the big ones are held. There are some in Knoxville every once in a while.
I have mainly just done "pin-up" style art, so I'll need to do some story pages if I'm to want to be taken seriously. I don't know if I'm good enough to make it in the business, but there's only one way to find out. I know I have alot to learn. I have tried to study more traditional sources like anatomy books and drawing from life, as opposed to trying to imitate someone else's work, although I definitely have sources. I think Chris Bachalo's work is amazing, for one. It's difficult to fit time to draw into my schedule anymore, because of school and work and the wife n' child...going to school I have started taking computer art classes, they are fun but much different from comic book drawing...especially 3D animation.
A friend and I were going to try to enroll in Marvel's "Epic" imprint, where they are apparently publishing material from amateur pencilers, inkers, etc, as well as whole teams. Sadly, we never did, school and work overwhelmed us both. (And he doesn't even have a kid!) At some point I'll have to decide which route I want to take, because comics would be the number one choice for sheer fun and enjoyment (although I've read behind-the-scenes instances where it becomes apparent that yes, it is a business).
Thank you for your info, tho.
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