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nzuver
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 Posted - 10/18/2002 : 14:26:15
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I read @ the Nirvana Fan Club that Kurt sprayed Frank with a fire extinguisher during a show... is this true? I'm sure you are all aware that Kurt was a big fan of the Pixies, but I've read that he really didn't like the Frank Black solo stuff --- which puzzles me because I think most FB solo music would have been right up his alley(raw, spaced out, non-commercial). Anyone have any info. on what Kurt thought of FB(after Pixies)? And, even more interesting, anyone know what Frank thinks of Kurt? It would be really cool to hear from the man himself on this one. :)
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floop
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Mexico
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Posted - 10/18/2002 : 16:24:39
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i've never heard that he didn't like his solo stuff. really, i don't think he was around to hear much of it. at most, he heard self-titled and TOTY..
i just read his biography and he was completely obsessed with Charles.. and absolutely worshiped him.. so i doubt he disliked the solo stuff..
as for the extinguisher thing.. they mentioned that in the book. didn't really explain why he did it. it was definitely during his highly drugged-out period (which was a long period really).. so i guess he was just being obnoxious..
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nzuver
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Posted - 10/18/2002 : 17:10:10
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Yeah... I believe TOTY was the last album Kurt ever got to hear. I know Kurt was obsessed with the Pixies/Charles, and I don't see why he would have disliked the solo material. I read in Heavier than Heaven that Kurt had the opportunity one night to meet him, but was afraid and hid from him as he walked down the hallway after a show. Seems to me Kurt thought he was a god. :) He had every reason to admire the guy, and I doubt that there would have ever been a Nirvana without the influence from Charles. I still wonder what HE thought of Kurt/Nirvana though. I've never seen him mention either in interviews.
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floop
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Mexico
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Posted - 10/19/2002 : 01:45:51
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yeah, i read HEAVIER too.. pretty interesting read. depressing though..
in one interview, around the time Nevermind was released, i remember an interviewer asking Frank what he thought of the album and he said he hand't heard it.. which i found hard to believe considering how it was everywhere.. but yeah.. it was basically a no comment type thing..
i'm curious too.. i mean, he had to have thought it was at least catchy or something.. or had to think.. "that guy's doing a pretty good job stealing my licks"..
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Ten Percenter
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Posted - 10/19/2002 : 08:02:34
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| He did mention Nirvana in an interview in Melody Maker or NME (I forget) at the time of his first solo album release. He got asked a question along the lines of 'do you feel bitter that Nirvana have used a lot of ideas from the Pixies but have been much more successful?' The great Frank replied that he didn't mind, and that he felt that Nirvana were a much more commercial proposition than the Pixies ever were. I remember he said something like 'listen to their melodies. They are not Black Flag'. Anyone else remember this interview? |
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OliverK
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Posted - 10/19/2002 : 12:10:54
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From a joint Bob Mould-Black Francis interview archived at the Alec Eiffel Pixies page. This is from 1991 and they touch on the Nirvana thing a little, but mostly talk about videos.
MUSICIAN: What did you think about Nirvana's surprise hit? Pretty unorthodox compared to what's right next to it on the charts.
MOULD: You really think it's unorthodox, even compared to what's right next to it?
MUSICIAN: A mountain of pretty damn raw guitars? Definitely.
FRANCIS: Does the hot video have something to do with that? The most records that we ever sold in a week was when one of ours got a little bit warm for a second. They liked the video for « Here Comes Your Man, » they showed it, we sold.
MOULD: The music television channels have become so genre-specific that there's no mystery involved anymore. Now, when MTV flash the name of the blocks up there, I wouldn't go as far as to say that is smacks of racism, but in a sense...to me the allure of music was hearing the word of mouth about a band, or reading about a band from a writer whose opinion I trusted. Now, you've got something in everyone's household telling you what kind of music it is in 20-minute intervals. Where do the Pixies fit into that? Alternative ghetto, or maybe metal. It's as if the change between the rap and the metal section is the changing of the channel. No one's being surprised anymore.
FRANCIS: Plus, you're exposed to the guy's face for three minutes. It's not the world of sound, it's the world of pictures. I was just flipping through last night and saw Nirvana and checked it out a bit. But overall there's nothing there to keep my interest. And it's not as if my standards are too friggin' high. I'll take some good old mainstream crap, but...
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 10/19/2002 : 12:52:23
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Yeah, Frank's always downplayed the Nirvana thing. Unlike say...Mark E Smith when Pavement ripped him off. Has anyone noticed a difference in interviews with Frank now and Black Francis? Black Francis could be one cocky bastard, ha.
On the Frank solo thing, I would have thought for sure he'd like it. Dave Grohl loves Frank's solo stuff, so at least one of the members was into it. Kurt loved pop music, and didn't discriminate if it wasnt really noisy or intense, and Frank's first solo album is just the perfect pop album, seems it'd be right up Kurt's alley. |
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Ten Percenter
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 10/19/2002 : 13:00:04
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I agree, Frank never seemed too bothered by the view that Nirvana had ripped the Pixies off. Not like Bowie - he was interviewed once and said how angry he was when he first heard Nirvana - he felt that they had taken too many ideas from Black Francis.
I'm a fan of Mark E Smith, but I love the fact that he has always (often rightly), accused others of plagiarism. Yet he was actually sued for plagiarism and lost - when the Fall did a play based around the death of the pope (the time of Hey Luciani) |
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 10/19/2002 : 13:06:52
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| ha, yeah, I wouldn't want Mark any other way either. "it was fucking chord for chord-uh!" |
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Ten Percenter
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 10/19/2002 : 13:12:02
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| I was once in the same pub as Mark E Smith during the time he had moved to Edinburgh. I didn't dare go up to him as I thought that he would take the piss out of me. So I sent my girlfriend up instead! The age of chivalry?? He didn't say a word to her - then again, she said something like 'have you seen my scarf?' |
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spy303
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Posted - 10/19/2002 : 18:22:36
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Scarf got ripped off huh? Bummer. . .
I don't think nirvana ripps Charles off or sounds
like the pixies beacuse Charles is so much more advanced with his songs, from difficulty of riff
to time changes to song structure. Lyriccaly (sp)
is where I see a similarity to FB-BF. Lemonheads
also give me the same sense of talking about something without being obvious sometimes...spy
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spy303
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Posted - 10/19/2002 : 18:24:23
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Drugged up or not, Kurdt may have felt he had to
put Charles out for being on fire:)
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 10/19/2002 : 19:57:48
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| I think it was a nervous thing...like in kindergarden how if you liked a girl you pulled her hair or something, Kurt sprays Charles with a fire extinguisher |
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floop
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Posted - 10/21/2002 : 01:01:39
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Originally posted by spy303
Drugged up or not, Kurdt may have felt he had to
put Charles out for being on fire:)
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i thought of that too.. there's definitely something symbolic about it, whether it was intended or not..
i think Kurt is keen enough that maybe he was aware of that.. |
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fallus
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Posted - 12/19/2002 : 02:14:26
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I recently read a feature in a Belgian magazine where they asked Dave Grohl (ex-Nirvana, Foo Fighters, Queens of the Stone Age) to come up with his 20 favourite songs, and let him talk about them. Motorway to Rosswell was in his list, and also Fu Manchu. He said Frank was his favourite artist. If he liked Frank's solo stuff, Kurt probably did as well.
A couple of years ago (I think around the release of CoR) there was an interview with Frank in that same magazine, where they asked him what he tought about all the talk that Nirvana was a Pixies-ripoff. He replied that Nirvana may have used some of his ideas, but that they didn't sound like the Pixies. They just sounded like Nirvana.
I also read a Q&A-thingie on a site where someone asked him which song he wished he had written, and he replied with Smells Like Teen Spirit, for the money.
I don't think Frank is a Nirvana fan, but I do believe he has at least some respect for that band.
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Bohemoth
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 12/19/2002 : 14:21:07
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| someones said in this thread that toty was the last thing of franks he would have heard that couldn't really be possible seeing as toty came out june or may of 94. Didn't kurt shoot himself in the head in april of that same year. |
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