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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
 Posted - 07/22/2003 : 18:56:08
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In the midst of organizing my MP3 collection (being the perfectionist I am), I've come to a moral dilema. I organize in the fashion of Artist -> Album, so my main directory is a list of all the artists. Here's the kicker...do you think it should be The Pixies or Pixies? The Beatles or Beatles? The Beach Boys or Beach Boys? The White Stripes or White Stripes? What ever will I do!?! And yes, I am such a perfectionist that this is a big issue for me...I've come to a complete halt. Now, once the directories are named, should the MP3s have the The?
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2003 : 19:09:50
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I'd think it should be listed the way the band does it.
Pixies
The White Stripes |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2003 : 19:25:54
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| Yeah... if you're worried about the alphabetical pain in the #$^@Q^$# of having them all under 'T', list it as White Stripes, The . I mean, I wouldn't do it (mine is just White Stripes for the folder), but maybe it'll help. Then I use the full band name inside the folder for each track. |
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mereubu
= FB QuizMistress =
USA
2677 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2003 : 20:00:01
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Perfectionists have less fun.
I would pretend the "The" didn't exist. |
Edited by - mereubu on 07/22/2003 20:00:41 |
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
3581 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2003 : 20:42:32
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| Question is, what would you do for a group like "The the". Now you're screwed... |
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mereubu
= FB QuizMistress =
USA
2677 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2003 : 21:10:33
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| I would pretend they don't exist too. |
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Chris Knight
= Cult of Ray =
USA
899 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2003 : 21:18:20
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| I guess blondes aren't perfectionists. ;) |
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mereubu
= FB QuizMistress =
USA
2677 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2003 : 21:34:09
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| EDIT: Oh, I get it now! So slow tonight. You'd think I was blonde. (Sorry, Em.) |
Edited by - mereubu on 07/22/2003 21:38:15 |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 07/23/2003 : 01:38:09
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The The would be The The, since they use 'The' in 'The The'.
Duh. |
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bazza
* Dog in the Sand *
Ireland
1439 Posts |
Posted - 07/23/2003 : 01:55:36
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are you sure its not the the the?! joking.
Is your work done? Are all pigs fed, watered and ready to fly?....
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 07/23/2003 : 05:46:16
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Uhm when the Beatles splitt up they still had bussiness meetings
Yoko Ono would represent Lennon in these meetings
and she always said ''Why did Beatles that?'' and McCartney and Harrisson would say ''For Fuck sake, it's THE Beatles''
there you go
''it's not a box, it's a submarine'' |
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ramona
"FB Quote Mistress"
USA
3988 Posts |
Posted - 07/23/2003 : 06:38:27
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| Sometimes in my MP3 player, I use my librarian tendencies and do something like "Beatles, The". But that is pretty nerdy, so I dunno... |
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1938 Posts |
Posted - 07/23/2003 : 06:47:27
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| Just go by what it says on the cover. It's just Pixies for them, but that's the only one I know for sure. |
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
2953 Posts |
Posted - 07/23/2003 : 09:14:54
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Use the Dewey Decimal System to file your MP3s.
I say forget the "the." When you go into record stores, they have the White Stripes under "W" and the Beatles under "B." The The would be under "T" regardless though. I think "the" is usually understood/implied. But as for the Pixies, they don't even have the word "the" on their albums. But still you have to use the word "the" when talking about them or you would get misunderstood:
conversation 1:
Jim: I like Pixies
Other Guy: Heh, uh, stay away from me you freak.
conversation 2:
Jim: I like the Pixies
Other Guy 2: Dude, who are the Pixies? Get away from me.
Ok, so I guess the person has to know who the Pixies are in the first place.
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Mr Grieves
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 07/23/2003 : 12:14:52
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave Noisy
I'd think it should be listed the way the band does it.
Pixies
The White Stripes
That's my system too, well said. I'm anal about these kinds of things. Mind you, occasionally (as in the case of the Pumpkins), they change during their career. In this case, I've got them all with The in front cos that's how it was for their last few albums.
They got a ranch they call No. 51! |
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ramona
"FB Quote Mistress"
USA
3988 Posts |
Posted - 07/23/2003 : 13:07:42
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| The problem with "The" though is that you end up with a huge section in your alphabetical list of "The's" - everything else is kinda grouped normally (A-S) and then you have a big section of The Beatles, The White Stripes, The Rolling Stones, etc. Which is why I do it my aforementioned goofy way. |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 07/23/2003 : 13:28:22
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That's what I kinda settled on, doing it the way the band does. So that would make it Pixies, The Beatles, The Beach Boys, The White Stripes. Granted, it does leave me with a lot of "The" bands in my directory, but I can't bring myself to name it Beatles, The...that's just too out there.
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1834 Posts |
Posted - 07/23/2003 : 13:33:54
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The spines of early Pink Floyd records were labelled "The Pink Floyd".
Frankly, I can't even imagine doing anything other than always omitting the "the". No offense intended, but are some of you people autistic?
That said, I must admit I divide by rock collection into roughly two halves: old and new wave, which is not strictly determined by a chronological divide. For example, while Bowie, Iggy, Roxy Music, etc. belong with the new, many groups of much more recent vintage go with the old by virtue of the mindset/attitude I attribute to them. However, I have grouped VU with the old but maybe I need to revisit that. |
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
2953 Posts |
Posted - 07/23/2003 : 13:39:27
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quote:
Originally posted by ramona
The problem with "The" though is that you end up with a huge section in your alphabetical list of "The's" - everything else is kinda grouped normally (A-S) and then you have a big section of The Beatles, The White Stripes, The Rolling Stones, etc. Which is why I do it my aforementioned goofy way.
This reminds me of something Gary Larson did in one of his books ("Weener Dog Art" I think, not sure). There is an alphabetical index of all the cartoons, and everything is listed under 'T' because they all start with The.
for example:
T
The one about dogs dreaming
The one about still life
The one about how birds see the world
It has A-S listed, and U-Z as well, but with nothing under them.
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 07/23/2003 : 13:42:59
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Pink Floyd is a weird exception...they called themselves "The Pink Floyd" but were often listed as "Pink Floyd." They're generally referred to as "Pink Floyd," which I think sounds better.
I think the whole "The" debate is based on grammar, really...band names are an odd exception. Like Derek said, you can't say you like the Pixies without saying "The," and if you don't say it, you just sound stupid. But written on the album is "Pixies." Notice how the majority of these "The" bands all have plural names, because there's more than one person in the band. Brian Wilson is/was a Beach Boy, and he is/was part of The Beach Boys. You know? Turning band names into nouns and adjectives and back...it's fucked up man.
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 07/23/2003 : 15:39:24
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| heh..i've also started sorting stuff by the leading musician, rather than band names.. So i've got a folder called 'Frank Black & Pixies', and all that's in there. Same with 'Lou Barlow', which has Sebadoh, Sentridoh, Folk Implosion, New Folk Implosion, Lou Solo..anything i miss? |
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
3581 Posts |
Posted - 07/23/2003 : 15:46:27
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| You should start a Robert Pollard folder and try to list everything associated with Captain Prolific... |
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mun chien andalusia
= Quote Accumulator =
Italy
2139 Posts |
Posted - 07/23/2003 : 21:31:44
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I noticed that many bands do not use the as a part of the complete band name on their albums,others do.For example:
-With the
The strokes
The white stripes
The clash
(definitely)The beattles
-Without the
Pixies
Ramones
Black sabbath
So use the where the band uses it too.
To ruin a perfectionist's life some bands like the smashing pumpkins at some albums are "the s.p" at others are "s.p."
Try puting the "the" at the end as record shop catalogs do:
Breeders,The
www.munchienandalusia.too.it |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 07/23/2003 : 23:43:11
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| Yeah, there's another GBV this year..that's like the 3rd this year, eh? heh.. |
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ramona
"FB Quote Mistress"
USA
3988 Posts |
Posted - 07/24/2003 : 06:41:08
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quote:
Originally posted by mun chien andalusia
Try puting the "the" at the end as record shop catalogs do:
Breeders,The
That's what I said! No one understands me. |
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
3581 Posts |
Posted - 07/24/2003 : 08:05:16
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It's the first proper GBV release this year, but of course Mr. Pollard has had a few in the Fading Captain series this year. I think this will be the 5th release from him this year, actually.... and there's still another 4 months to go after that!
And ramona, we understand you. We just ignore you. Or at least, mun chien seems to. I on the other hand have always valued and respected your work. Except in the pictionary thread. You just seem lost. It's quite endearing. |
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ramona
"FB Quote Mistress"
USA
3988 Posts |
Posted - 07/24/2003 : 08:13:47
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| I am lost in the Pictionary thread! It's true. Oh, the shame. I was gone for three weeks, I am out of the loop. |
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
3581 Posts |
Posted - 07/24/2003 : 08:19:33
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| Well, with Dean's rather oblique posts, it's no wonder you can't figure things out. HE can't even explain them sometimes. Don't stop playing, we're all there to support you. Except me. I'm going to throw things. Cushions, perhaps. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 07/24/2003 : 08:59:56
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I'll oblique you in a minute.
What does that mean, I don't know.. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 07/24/2003 : 09:02:41
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quote:
Originally posted by ramona
quote:
Originally posted by mun chien andalusia
Try puting the "the" at the end as record shop catalogs do:
Breeders,The
That's what I said! No one understands me.
Hey, if you look near the top, I was the first one... :) Though I am ashamed of it, so maybe I shouldn't point it out. |
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
2953 Posts |
Posted - 07/24/2003 : 12:24:52
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Screw the
-Derek |
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mun chien andalusia
= Quote Accumulator =
Italy
2139 Posts |
Posted - 07/24/2003 : 22:46:52
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quote:
Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
quote:
Originally posted by ramona
quote:
Originally posted by mun chien andalusia
Try puting the "the" at the end as record shop catalogs do:
Breeders,The
That's what I said! No one understands me.
Hey, if you look near the top, I was the first one... :) Though I am ashamed of it, so maybe I shouldn't point it out.
Sorry both of you...I should read other peoples's posts more carefully next time...
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 07/25/2003 : 15:07:15
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I think it should go
Pixies
Beatles, The.
Bands with a "THE"-- stick it at the end of their name. I mean, when you think "Beatles" are you really going to go to the "T"s?? No way, you're gonna start searching the B's. Since half the bands out there begin with a The, it will be a pain in the ass finding most The bands. And when you look up films or bands in an encyclopedia, it's always by their first non-the letter (B for Beatles). |
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 07/25/2003 : 15:09:12
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and for the record
The, The |
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Brackish Girl
~ Soul Eater ~
Ireland
1750 Posts |
Posted - 07/25/2003 : 16:21:43
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quote:
Originally posted by speedy_m
I'm going to throw things. Cushions, perhaps.
i told you he throws cushions!!!
bored of the little comments. i guess i'll just have an actual signature. much shorter.
-Jessie |
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IceCream
= Quote Accumulator =
USA
1850 Posts |
Posted - 07/25/2003 : 20:00:23
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| Regardless of whether or not the band has a "the" in it, you should exclude the "the" when alphabetizing. The Beatles would be listed as "Beatles, the". But you make a good point. some bands I don't know whether or not have a the. Like the ramones. Is there a "the"? |
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