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thalassocrat
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
46 Posts |
 Posted - 07/05/2003 : 15:16:48
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The rarest thing in my FB collection is the Black Sessions.
I snatched the import form a Virgin megastore at Ģ19 (the most expensive CD I ever bought). Recorded in 1994, Paris its has 18 tracks and its an official release. What I can't figure out is why are there 3 other tracks (Modern Age, Abstract Plain acoustic and one other) on the internet and the whole thing called "The Black Sessions - Live in Paris and the Kitchen Tapes" which has exactly the same listing + the 3 tracks at the end. I downloaded the tracks on p2p and the quality of the recording is just shit (most likely they are bootlegs).
Now, i'm just dying to find out what the hell is it with these tracks and what are the "kitchen tapes". I remember reading on the sleeve of Death to the Pixies how one day, before Pixies were signed, Frank went to the place of the guy who discovered them with his acoustc guitar and while he was cooking pasta in the kitched Frank gave a performance. Surely this has nothing to do with it.
Can someone explain these "Kitchen tapes" to me? I don't want to die stupid.
they speak vaudevillian... |
Edited by - thalassocrat on 07/05/2003 17:58:52 |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2003 : 16:41:23
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Kitchen Tapes. I believe Frank Black and Joey recorded these three songs together. That's the extent of my knowledge.
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thalassocrat
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
46 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2003 : 18:15:24
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Then what the hell are they doing together with the rest, which was recorded with a full band (Workman/Feldman/Vincent). Was Joey present at the gig and then as an encore Frank and him played these songs after the offical recording was over and so they are just available as bad audience bootlegs?
Dear God, somone put me out of my misery! |
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mereubu
= FB QuizMistress =
USA
2677 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2003 : 19:56:58
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OK, I'm going to add this to the FAQ, cause it's come up a couple of times and my fingers are tired. Here's the notes from my copy--it's the UK release and titled "Frank Black: The Black Sessions Live In Paris plus The Kitchen Tapes."
"Fall 1995, Los Angeles
This is a recording of a national French radio show called Les Black Sessions presented by Bernard Lenoir. The shows go out live from an extremely air conditioned Paris soundstage. This performance was during a week long run we did in a club called L'Arapahoe, and includes the touring line-up of Californians Eric Drew Feldman, Nick Vincent, and Lyle Workman. For trivia's sake I should mention that the CD release contains the entire performance as it was heard by the studio audience but not the broadcast's audience, who heard about five songs less because of the length of the radio show. Beside the music you can hear some horrible French being spoken by me, a dedication to the night clerk at our hotel, who made a heck of a Kir Royale.
Brian Guthrie at Anoise Annoys had wanted me to include something special for the U.K. release, and I suggested a boot-leg quality extra track or two. My good friend Joey Santiago came by for a cigar and a little jam in my kitchen and we recorded a song called Jumping Beans, about Mexican jumping beans, and a time travelling tale called Modern Age.
Frank Black"
So there you have it--a little something extra for the fans. |
Edited by - mereubu on 07/05/2003 20:10:22 |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2003 : 21:28:50
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Ahhh, excellent. Thank you Sarah. Please append that to the FAQ!
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mereubu
= FB QuizMistress =
USA
2677 Posts |
Posted - 07/06/2003 : 08:34:22
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| 'Tis done. : ) |
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Omer
= Cult of Ray =
275 Posts |
Posted - 07/06/2003 : 13:05:12
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| This might just be the place to add that there is also a secret version of 'Abstract Plane' there, which is really cool. (although there is already another version ofAbstract Plain with the full band on the record :-) |
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1938 Posts |
Posted - 07/06/2003 : 13:16:33
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| If anyone happens to have an extra copy of this CD, please email me. I will pay a lot of money for it. There are currently none on ebay I don't think |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 07/06/2003 : 14:21:09
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Sarah: Perhaps you could add an "update" spot on the FAQ and have "Updated #/##/##" and say what you updated.
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mun chien andalusia
= Quote Accumulator =
Italy
2139 Posts |
Posted - 07/06/2003 : 23:52:01
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quote:
Originally posted by mereubu
OK, I'm going to add this to the FAQ, cause it's come up a couple of times and my fingers are tired. Here's the notes from my copy--it's the UK release and titled "Frank Black: The Black Sessions Live In Paris plus The Kitchen Tapes."
"Fall 1995, Los Angeles
This is a recording of a national French radio show called Les Black Sessions presented by Bernard Lenoir. The shows go out live from an extremely air conditioned Paris soundstage. This performance was during a week long run we did in a club called L'Arapahoe, and includes the touring line-up of Californians Eric Drew Feldman, Nick Vincent, and Lyle Workman. For trivia's sake I should mention that the CD release contains the entire performance as it was heard by the studio audience but not the broadcast's audience, who heard about five songs less because of the length of the radio show. Beside the music you can hear some horrible French being spoken by me, a dedication to the night clerk at our hotel, who made a heck of a Kir Royale.
Brian Guthrie at Anoise Annoys had wanted me to include something special for the U.K. release, and I suggested a boot-leg quality extra track or two. My good friend Joey Santiago came by for a cigar and a little jam in my kitchen and we recorded a song called Jumping Beans, about Mexican jumping beans, and a time travelling tale called Modern Age.
Frank Black"
So there you have it--a little something extra for the fans.
For completists the notes on my vinyl copy say:
Tracks 20 + 21 (Modern Age & Jumping Beans) Recorded live and direct
to DAT in Frank's kitchen Los Angeles,where he was aided and abetted
by Joey Santiago.
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2003 : 11:18:26
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| Sarah, an asterik or something beside the 'NEW' item would be handy too... |
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Brackish
- FB Fan -
142 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2003 : 21:30:40
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| I don't know anything about the Kitchen Tapes, but man-oh-man is that acoustic version of Abstract Plain nice. Really one of the most pure and beautiful recordings of Frank Black's. I had that CD for about a year before I realized it was at the end. |
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gracie
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
573 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2003 : 10:49:54
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| i bought my copy from ebay uk for around Ģ11. i didn't realise it was thst rare |
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Brackish Girl
~ Soul Eater ~
Ireland
1750 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2003 : 16:34:08
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i read about that in a second hand book/record/magazine shop. Q gave it 1/5. needless to say i didn't buy it(the magazine, not the album. if i saw that album i would get it).
bored of the little comments. i guess i'll just have an actual signature. much shorter.
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2003 : 22:52:50
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| I don't think it is really that terribly rare. I have a copy and I have seen it in not so excellent record stores in the US. |
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astroman
- FB Fan -
Portugal
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Posted - 07/11/2003 : 12:41:52
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| Here at Portugal itīs not so rare, I bought mine in second hand shop, and have seen a couple more in the stores. |
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frank_black_francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
895 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2003 : 13:50:08
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i want the blue CD that has the kitchen tapes.....i had it originally but lost it in a burglary...i got a friend of mine to get it for me in france but she could only get the black CD that does not have the kitchen tapes......
"Cigarettes are within reach...Now its time to really read the books I've always pretended to have read." |
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franktaper
- FB Fan -
USA
158 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2003 : 14:34:10
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I bought the "blue" version when it was released several years ago. It was the price of a normal cd (about $13) while the same store also had the black colored import version (same songs/performance -minus- the Kitchen Tapes) right next to it for $35!! Good thing I waited for the blue version
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frank_black_francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
895 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2003 : 15:21:31
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yea....i remember that.....the blue was like 21$ and the black one was 54$....weird
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2003 : 20:15:36
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I picked the UK version up for about 3 quid in Virgin.... but it's not something you see around often. Whatever happened to Frank Black Direct website??? That was pretty good for picking up stuff like that. Is it still possible to buy Franks cd singles?
So Black Sessions got 1/5.... it was Black Sessions and COR that made go and buy Franks back catalogue.
War....... Its not fantastic |
Edited by - Stuart on 07/11/2003 20:17:50 |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2003 : 22:20:24
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My mom bought me a copy off of eBay when she was on her hardcore eBay binge...have no idea what she paid for it, but it was brand new, still sealed. It didn't play at first cause somehow the CD got a film of some shit or other on it and I had to clean it up with lense cleaner. Weird.
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2003 : 22:30:10
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| I don't know if I have blue or black, but it was around $15 and has the Kitchen Tapes. I don't think it has a secret "Abstract Plain". |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 07/11/2003 : 22:37:45
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i got it at Best Buy, probably some time around 1995.. so it wasn't rare then..
sadly, this is one of those CD's that got away (lost or stolen)..
that abstract plain version is the best.. and the kitchen tapes version of "modern age" is better than the album version in my opinion.. despite how one-off it sounds. |
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1938 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2003 : 10:00:26
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Is this CD a bootleg or is it an official release?
Also, speaking of rare CD's, I know it's easy to find on ebay and I finally got mine a couple of weeks ago, but are there any plans to ever re-release Cult of Ray and why is it the only Frank CD that's out of print |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2003 : 10:58:56
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It's an official 4AD release. I don't think it was ever properly released in the US, only imported. I would guess that COR is out of print because it was the only album they released through American Recordings, and I guess they decided not to continue to press it.
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2003 : 12:10:40
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Ive recently seen a COR that is a completely different packing to the one i have. I figured that it had been rereleased, although I do have the bonus disk version, which might make a difference. COR is a fucking great album.
War....... Its not fantastic |
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thalassocrat
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
46 Posts |
Posted - 07/13/2003 : 05:48:13
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quote:
Originally posted by El Barto
It didn't play at first cause somehow the CD got a film of some shit or other on it and I had to clean it up with lense cleaner. Weird.
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Fucking weird. The exact same thing happened to me. Mine was a french import, again sealed. Those people drink too much wine...
they speak vaudevillian... |
Edited by - thalassocrat on 07/13/2003 05:49:08 |
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carsonwerner
= Cult of Ray =
USA
254 Posts |
Posted - 07/13/2003 : 10:42:19
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| I was at the record store once and they have COR cd that looked basically the same, but the back was a little different. They had some sticker on it saying how it was a "rare" release, I think it was pressed on a different label, but I don't remember for sure. |
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stymie
= Cult of Ray =
385 Posts |
Posted - 07/13/2003 : 17:21:14
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| You have the black version with the frank name on the letter blocks and the other version has the three extra songs on it and has a blue cover with franks face on it. Two countrys releases. One french and one UK. |
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IceCream
= Quote Accumulator =
USA
1850 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2003 : 17:20:57
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| Is "Frank Black: The Black Sessions Live In Paris plus The Kitchen Tapes" out of print? |
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frank_black_francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
895 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2003 : 19:17:03
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| american recordings suck!!!!! and so does rick rubin...."i produced bloodsugarsexmagic, everybody kiss my ass!" |
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JamesM
= Cult of Ray =
308 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2003 : 09:45:01
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Secret version of Abstract Plain - it's just an extra track attatched to the Blue version. And I said "just," which totally does this version of Abstract Plain NO justice whatsoever. It's a beautiful rendition. One of my favorite Frank Black songs performed in an acoustic / studio setting. Awesome.
-Jimmy M. |
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FranknWeezer
= Cult of Ray =
USA
356 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2003 : 15:38:51
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quote:
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Originally posted by El Barto
It didn't play at first cause somehow the CD got a film of some shit or other on it and I had to clean it up with lense cleaner. Weird.
---Mine too. Tried three different ones at Blockbuster Music in Memphis, and all three had that same crap on the cd and wouldn't play, so I never bought it. Lens cleaner in the store didn't work to get it off, either. WTF???
-FranknWeezer
Fucking weird. The exact same thing happened to me. Mine was a french import, again sealed. Those people drink too much wine... |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2003 : 21:08:09
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Very weird.
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victorvargas
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Posted - 09/08/2003 : 22:38:20
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If anyone's interested I saw The Black Sessions listed on Ebay tonight.
Peace Out |
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marcusb
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USA
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