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Mr. Square
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 Posted - 06/28/2003 : 23:18:45
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i have no idea, i'm not good at picking up his lyrics, but i do get gigantic i think.
so it mean something? |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
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Brackish Girl
~ Soul Eater ~
Ireland
1750 Posts |
Posted - 06/29/2003 : 17:49:43
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hee hee, since kim wrote gigantic's lyrics.
a debaser..debases things! they underappreciate them? is that a good way of sayin it?
in your face, space coyote!! |
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NO.13Girl
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USA
78 Posts |
Posted - 06/29/2003 : 22:57:58
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to debase - to adulterate
I guess a debaser is someone who adulterates hahaha |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 06/30/2003 : 04:57:54
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| kim actually never wrote a complete pixies song. |
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ProverbialCereal
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USA
2953 Posts |
Posted - 06/30/2003 : 09:15:51
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Let's debase Kim Deal...
-Derek |
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Chip Away Boy
= Cult of Ray =
914 Posts |
Posted - 06/30/2003 : 10:12:29
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Brackish Girl
~ Soul Eater ~
Ireland
1750 Posts |
Posted - 06/30/2003 : 11:54:13
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adulterate??are you sure? i dont think thats right.
you mean frank wrote about that guy's cock??
in your face, space coyote!! |
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BrendanT
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
907 Posts |
Posted - 06/30/2003 : 11:54:43
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To debase means to make lower in value. So when they grow up they want to dispell what the common folk are told and know as truth. Well, that's the way I learned.
Strummer-man
I had me a vision!
Buttercup! Bubbles! Let's go! |
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Brackish Girl
~ Soul Eater ~
Ireland
1750 Posts |
Posted - 06/30/2003 : 12:06:36
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yeah. i agree.
in your face, space coyote!! |
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1772 Posts |
Posted - 06/30/2003 : 13:53:13
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| that's how I have always understood it. |
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NO.13Girl
- FB Fan -
USA
78 Posts |
Posted - 06/30/2003 : 21:32:13
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quote:
Originally posted by Brackish Girl
adulterate??are you sure? i dont think thats right.
you mean frank wrote about that guy's cock??
in your face, space coyote!!
I was kidding haha
Fall on your face in those bad shoes |
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Brackish Girl
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Ireland
1750 Posts |
Posted - 07/01/2003 : 06:51:33
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it would be a better song if you were right.
in your face, space coyote!! |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/01/2003 : 14:47:43
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I have never seen the film but the song is based on 'Un Chien Andalusia' which is a Spanish film that includes an eye slicing scene (hmmm - nice !) hense the lyrics.
Don't know where the word Debaser comes in but i am sure if you watch the film, all will become clear.
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1772 Posts |
Posted - 07/01/2003 : 15:33:03
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I don't think the song "Debaser" is intrinsically linked to Dali and Bunuel's "Un Chien Andalu" in any capacity other than the slicing up eyeballs line. At least I never thought of it as a song ABOUT "Un Chien Andalu".
Then again, the short film was very experimental for its time (shit, its experimental even by today's standards if you ask me!) and you could say that the film 'debased' older notions of cinema and what should and should not be shown on screen as it brought in very stark, surrealistic and dreamlike imagery to the screen in a way that had not been done before.
I still don't think Debaser is about the film, per se...more like the lyric is just a fleeting reference to it. |
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PixiesDeal
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USA
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Posted - 07/02/2003 : 00:08:17
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"i want to grow up to be a debaser" :)
"When people ask me what band I'm in and I say The Pixies, they say, 'Oh, it's an all-girl group, right?' I guess the name is pretty wimpy"-Kim Deal |
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Brackish Girl
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Ireland
1750 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2003 : 13:00:54
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good one alex.
in your face, space coyote!! |
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Doog
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1220 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2003 : 16:23:48
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I was pretty sure Black said Debaser was directly influenced by Un Chein Andalusia sometime. Or maybe not.
"got me a movie" - it is a film after all
"girlie so groovie" - the gal riding the bike
"slicing up the eyeballs" - the slicing up of woman/cow's eyeball
"debaser" - being someone who debases preconception and pushes the envelope: crazy art film |
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Scarla O
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
947 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2003 : 01:44:49
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Surely 'Debaser' is a song about Black seeing 'Un Chien Andalou' - being impressed and thinking 'yeah, I wanna fuck some shit up too!' (the technical term for what Bunuel and Dali were doing at the time). |
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Brackish Girl
~ Soul Eater ~
Ireland
1750 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2003 : 16:41:05
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didn't the pixies all watch that together? or was that eraserhead???
Today i realised frank is the greatest man alive. Go figure. |
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Doog
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1220 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2003 : 02:23:32
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That was Eraserhead i think....that film kicks all kinds of ass, I want hair like Henry..
http://www.nimrods-son.co.uk |
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Brackish Girl
~ Soul Eater ~
Ireland
1750 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2003 : 15:12:27
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lol. or kramer.
Today i realised frank is the greatest man alive. Go figure. |
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1738 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2003 : 21:27:51
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Hey.
What does the literal translation of "un chien andalusia" mean, anyway? I am a slight history buff and "andalusia" or "al andalus" was the name of the 800-year rule of Muslims in Spain from approx. 700-1400 a.d.
Every night I dream the world away.
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Brackish Girl
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Ireland
1750 Posts |
Posted - 07/06/2003 : 10:13:15
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well une chien andalu means an andalusian dog.
Andalusia is a place in spain.
thats all i know.
Today i realised frank is the greatest man alive. Go figure. |
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thalassocrat
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/06/2003 : 10:39:49
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Un chien andalusia has no meaning (amalgamation of french and spanish)
Un chein andalou = an adalusian dog (french)
Frank changed the french Andalou to the spanish Andalousia because he said he thought it sounded better.
they speak vaudevillian... |
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Brackish Girl
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Ireland
1750 Posts |
Posted - 07/06/2003 : 10:51:58
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quote:
Originally posted by thalassocrat
Un chien andalusia has no meaning (amalgamation of french and spanish)
Un chein andalou = an adalusian dog (french)
Frank changed the french Andalou to the spanish Andalousia because he said he thought it sounded better.
they speak vaudevillian...
yeah, i was gonna say most of that but i thought peopl might see the un and the une...do americans do french in school? its a must-do here and i hate it so!!! except it ain't that hard.
bored of the little comments. i guess i'll just have an actual signature. much shorter.
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thecomeons
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United Kingdom
60 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2003 : 05:09:40
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and cobain ripped off the song, played it more like more than a feeling by boston and scored nirvana their first hit
my manta is a ray |
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vegan
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USA
64 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2003 : 21:51:16
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| I showed Eraserhead to a girl while we were on our first date and it gave her nightmares. It may be that that is why the relationsiip ended shortly thereafter?... |
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sylocibe
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Spain
49 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2003 : 02:37:08
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Andalucia: A region of Southern Spain which had a strong presence of muslims. (Flamenco was born as part of that, a mix of muslims and spanish music)
A chien andalou: a andalucian dog, thatīs the way Buņuel y Dali called to their friend Federico Garcia Lorca (spanish-poet killed in Spanish Civil War,(1936-1939) by fascists) Lorca wrote books of poetry like "Poet en New York") Today, Lorca is considered the greatest Spanish poet and dramatist of the 20th Century.
A big, big FAN... |
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Brackish Girl
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Ireland
1750 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2003 : 05:11:18
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isn't Seville in Andalusia? a spanish person told me they have a saying if someone is exagurating(i know i can't spell) they say they are from seville.
bored of the little comments. i guess i'll just have an actual signature. much shorter.
-Jessie |
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sylocibe
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Spain
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Posted - 07/11/2003 : 08:29:02
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Yes, Sevilla is in Andalucia. Andalucia is a big region and have a lot of provinces with several towns. Sevilla is the biggest city in Andalucia, other cities in andalucia are Almeria, Granada and so on...
And YES, Andalucian people (in generall) are very over-demonstrative (Im not sure thats the right word ...when someone tell you something and heīs exaggerating )
A big, big FAN... |
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MikeW
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USA
214 Posts |
Posted - 07/13/2003 : 05:42:58
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| I read in Guitar Player magazine that when he was first writing the song he was singing " shed, appalonia " shed as in take of your clothes and appolonia as in the appolonia 6. |
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Brackish Girl
~ Soul Eater ~
Ireland
1750 Posts |
Posted - 07/14/2003 : 14:46:02
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probably. kim once said frank used to write the songs by just screaming general stuff along a melody and then refined them til he liked them sufficiently.
bored of the little comments. i guess i'll just have an actual signature. much shorter.
-Jessie |
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mkingicus
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USA
68 Posts |
Posted - 07/15/2003 : 19:45:24
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"Kim once said frank used to write the songs by just screaming general stuff along a melody and then refined them til he like them sufficiently."
That method works quite well for me, except I'm usually not screaming. But I mostly just throw out meaningless sylables and put together the chords, then write the lyrics later. It seems to have worked well for Frank. I wonder if he still does it that way?
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Brackish Girl
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Ireland
1750 Posts |
Posted - 07/16/2003 : 12:42:57
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well, he writes the lyrics after he's already got a melody i think... yeah, he says that in interviews.
bored of the little comments. i guess i'll just have an actual signature. much shorter.
-Jessie |
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leokearse
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United Kingdom
203 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2003 : 04:42:56
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Yeah as far as I know he's always written songs like that - I remember reading somewhere that he had all the music for Teenager down then went to UMASS library to read books to get some words to put innem - it may have been a more complicated process than that.
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