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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
 Posted - 06/25/2003 : 11:24:28
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 Bloomin 'eck, you'll be saying you think John Lennon's solo work was better than anything The Beatles did next !!!
Just so long as nobody starts a debate as to wether or not Robbie Williams' solo er noise is better than Take That's (if you are from the U.S then just be thankfull that you have no idea what i am talking about)
Seriously though i don't really care as long as we all agree that Mr Black is and ALWAYS has been a genius (and always will be).
..............no debate about which has been the most influential though (sorry had to get that in there) !  |
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astroman
- FB Fan -
Portugal
84 Posts |
Posted - 06/25/2003 : 12:20:32
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I´m not basic...I´m not a basic type...I´m not a basic type of fan.
I just love FB music. |
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Leah
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
314 Posts |
Posted - 06/26/2003 : 09:57:52
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Hey, he's why we came here man...
Gotta love the idea that in 2 weeks I see Frank Accoustic - shivers just thinking about it!
Every choice human being strives instinctively for a citadel and a secrecy where he is saved from the crowd -
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Mike Rutherford
- FB Fan -
USA
171 Posts |
Posted - 06/26/2003 : 14:58:38
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That said I have time for both and I think of the PIXIES as being PURE ROCK, Frank solo as being likewise but FB&TC as being more a COUNTRY BAND...
Thing about it is, Frank was showing some country influence as far back as the earliest Pixies days. I think that influence has always been there, he just displays it more nowadays. I also think it's in large part due to listening to those Stones records like Exile and Sticky Fingers he was so obsessed with a few years back. Tracks like "Sweet Virginia" and "Dead Flowers" might have possibly influenced Frank to try his own stab at a rock band from the city playing some very country-ish stuff. |
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dougit
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 06/26/2003 : 19:17:41
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Frank "Wants to be a cowbow, couldn't make it as a punker."
If course I am kidding, but do you remember that song?
The country/western influence has always been with frank, since the first pixies album. Actually the c/w influence might have originated with Joey Santiago, and his style of guitar playing. But, as frank adds more years to his age, he and the other band members have taken on a traditional-like c/w sound in many of the songs. Also present are traditional blues and folk sounds.
and rember, there are 664 types of F Black fans besides the two main ones at the top. And the country & western type of fan is one of them, lol. |
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dougit
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 06/26/2003 : 19:18:48
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| just read your post Mike. seems you agree about the cw influence. I can hear it in Come on Pilgrim. |
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Little Black Francis
> Teenager of the Year <
3648 Posts |
Posted - 06/26/2003 : 23:02:43
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wank on man
"Snooch to the muthaf**kin Nooch" |
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Little Black Francis
> Teenager of the Year <
3648 Posts |
Posted - 06/26/2003 : 23:04:12
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nice topic
good skillz
"Snooch to the muthaf**kin Nooch" |
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Steak n Sabre
* Dog in the Sand *
Uzbekistan
1013 Posts |
Posted - 06/27/2003 : 02:08:36
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| I always thought of Bossanova as the shift to the west for good........... |
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thalassocrat
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
46 Posts |
Posted - 06/29/2003 : 16:04:16
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I just can't believe you people! Talking about Frank Black music like its some fucking complex algebra problem. Analysing it, dissecting it, interpreting it. You poor morons. Evidently you have not discovered Frank Black yet. What is all this thing about which album is the better, which sound sounds best, which period is better? Well I have seen the light and have no shame to say that for all you think to the contrary few others have! So let me enlighten you. There is no song, no album, sound or decade of FB that's best. Everything is one whole. Everything makes complete sense because every new song is a continuation of FB music. He could be playing next a guitar or an alarm clock it makes no difference. Really, sit down, start with Charles's college demos and go through everything to his last song and what you have is not evolution but metamorphosis. Evolution by definition makes you better, better suited for the current music climate. It's pretty much safe to say that Frank has said fuck off to that. When he has changed he is the same and when he's the same he has changed. And that is it.
Now some are going to argue: "Look at the cord progression, blah, blah, blah". I just pity you. You want analysis? Well, OK, I don't mind being a hypocrite so I'll give you analysis. Fuck cord progression, that's for Frank to worry about not me or you. What you want is the hairs on your arm to stand up, electricity bursting through your skin. People want intelligent music from Frank? I say fuck intelligence! Or better said fuck that dreaded need, that push from your brain, to try to understand something intelligent. It always kills the feeling. Better let your brain cell be sexed by the music because in the end this is what Frank's music is - sex. If it gives you that feeling when you first kissed a girl, held her breasts in your hand and your head is inundated with pleasure, then you know it's worked. Give in to the synaptic masturbation and don't mind anything else. That's what it's all about.
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 06/29/2003 : 16:58:47
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| thalassocrat, you've given me a new outlook on life, i've sold all my possessions and am now heading for the arizona plains with nothing but a napsack and some FB albums, I plan on becoming one with the sand and never returning. |
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thalassocrat
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
46 Posts |
Posted - 06/29/2003 : 17:41:36
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Glad to hear it pal, just watch out for those pesky scorpions!
they speak vaudevillian... |
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1602 Posts |
Posted - 06/29/2003 : 18:08:58
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Originally posted by thalassocrat
I just can't believe you people! Talking about Frank Black music like its some fucking complex algebra problem. Analysing it, dissecting it, interpreting it. You poor morons. Evidently you have not discovered Frank Black yet. What is all this thing about which album is the better, which sound sounds best, which period is better? Well I have seen the light and have no shame to say that for all you think to the contrary few others have! So let me enlighten you. There is no song, no album, sound or decade of FB that's best. Everything is one whole. Everything makes complete sense because every new song is a continuation of FB music. He could be playing next a guitar or an alarm clock it makes no difference. Really, sit down, start with Charles's college demos and go through everything to his last song and what you have is not evolution but metamorphosis. Evolution by definition makes you better, better suited for the current music climate. It's pretty much safe to say that Frank has said fuck off to that. When he has changed he is the same and when he's the same he has changed. And that is it.
Now some are going to argue: "Look at the cord progression, blah, blah, blah". I just pity you. You want analysis? Well, OK, I don't mind being a hypocrite so I'll give you analysis. Fuck cord progression, that's for Frank to worry about not me or you. What you want is the hairs on your arm to stand up, electricity bursting through your skin. People want intelligent music from Frank? I say fuck intelligence! Or better said fuck that dreaded need, that push from your brain, to try to understand something intelligent. It always kills the feeling. Better let your brain cell be sexed by the music because in the end this is what Frank's music is - sex. If it gives you that feeling when you first kissed a girl, held her breasts in your hand and your head is inundated with pleasure, then you know it's worked. Give in to the synaptic masturbation and don't mind anything else. That's what it's all about.
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 06/30/2003 : 09:59:19
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But you cold say that about all music in general, that no music is better than any other or any worse. You could say that The Dixie Chicks are no worse than The Pixies. I think it's just the word better that needs changing here. Which music means more to you is a better way of putting it, or which do you prefer to listen to. I tihnk you have taken it all a little too literally. I prefer The Pixies to Frank's solo work and i am in no way ashamed to say that, nor will i ever be 'cos it's how i feel.
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BrendanT
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
907 Posts |
Posted - 06/30/2003 : 11:57:38
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Evolution. Anyone want to challenge Darwin?
Strummer-man
I had me a vision!
Buttercup! Bubbles! Let's go! |
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1602 Posts |
Posted - 06/30/2003 : 12:05:17
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Originally posted by BrendanT
Evolution. Anyone want to challenge Darwin?
I think your mom tried. |
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BrendanT
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
907 Posts |
Posted - 06/30/2003 : 13:07:01
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....and succeeded! Look at me now Ma! I'm on top of the world!!!!!
Strummer-man
I had me a vision!
Buttercup! Bubbles! Let's go! |
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themaninblack
- FB Fan -
USA
37 Posts |
Posted - 06/30/2003 : 13:11:28
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I don't know about categories. I only know that I was some alternative-listening geek who was "not quite fulfilled" by what was available in the mid-90s when I heard FB go into an acoustic version of "Men in Black" during an interview on a syndicated late-Sunday radio show. That song just hit the bullseye. Intensity, richness is musical texture (a band full of notes coming from just one guitar), SMART lyrics, it had it all. 3 separate tapes of Cult of Ray met their death via old age and magnetization on an old car cassette stereo. I wasn't a sophisticated fan who knew everything there was to know about the artist--I just knew I liked Cult of Ray. I kept an eye open for more of FB's work, and it seemed "forever later" that I finally saw FB&C and snatched it up. Loved that one too. It was different, but GOOD-different. Steak and Sabre, Back to Rome, Six Sixty Six, damn straight I loved it. By now I'd graduated to CDs and only went through about two a year (due to scratching/mishandling them while driving). It wasn't until later that I discovered the earlier album, self-titled Frank Black, and almost at the same time, Pistolero and Teenager of the Year. I was finally up to speed, or so I thought, but I guess you can never really get a complete collection when he has one-off songs (like his cover of "Changing of the Guard") floating around on MP3 all over the place. I did what I could to stay up to date on what he had out.
Anyway, Dog in the Sand came out, and here again, different but GOOD-different. Same thing with the latest two, BLD and DW.
I've found that at any given time, when I'm in a particular mood there will be some groups of songs on whatever album of Frank's that I'll "like" (for that time), and others that I'm not so excited about, but this shifts with my moods, and in some states of consciousness I find 100% of ALL of his works to be outstanding. To me this is the genius of his musicianship: to diversify the sound, from the harder, more "rockin'" sounds to those that brush on the border of country, and many styles that defy classification, and manage to squeeze just that little bit of extra-terrestrial-like vision and scary-smart arrangement methods into each one of them, just screams to me, this is one that will be in the music history books centuries from now, as one of the few nuggets of true musical brilliance to come out of the rock and roll era.
If ETs have set up dishes to catch our radio frequencies and caught a listen of, say, Eloise (from DW), they will say that intelligent or not, the life forms here on earth know their music, and should be worth at least a quick visit.
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Jettison
- FB Fan -
USA
228 Posts |
Posted - 06/30/2003 : 13:15:40
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It's like Tom Robbins said,
"there are two types of people in the world, those that think there are two types of people in the world and those that know better."
-Jettison
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1772 Posts |
Posted - 06/30/2003 : 13:38:20
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Originally posted by thalassocrat
I just can't believe you people! Talking about Frank Black music like its some fucking complex algebra problem. Analysing it, dissecting it, interpreting it. You poor morons. Evidently you have not discovered Frank Black yet. What is all this thing about which album is the better, which sound sounds best, which period is better? Well I have seen the light and have no shame to say that for all you think to the contrary few others have! So let me enlighten you. There is no song, no album, sound or decade of FB that's best. Everything is one whole. Everything makes complete sense because every new song is a continuation of FB music. He could be playing next a guitar or an alarm clock it makes no difference. Really, sit down, start with Charles's college demos and go through everything to his last song and what you have is not evolution but metamorphosis. Evolution by definition makes you better, better suited for the current music climate. It's pretty much safe to say that Frank has said fuck off to that. When he has changed he is the same and when he's the same he has changed. And that is it.
Now some are going to argue: "Look at the cord progression, blah, blah, blah". I just pity you. You want analysis? Well, OK, I don't mind being a hypocrite so I'll give you analysis. Fuck cord progression, that's for Frank to worry about not me or you. What you want is the hairs on your arm to stand up, electricity bursting through your skin. People want intelligent music from Frank? I say fuck intelligence! Or better said fuck that dreaded need, that push from your brain, to try to understand something intelligent. It always kills the feeling. Better let your brain cell be sexed by the music because in the end this is what Frank's music is - sex. If it gives you that feeling when you first kissed a girl, held her breasts in your hand and your head is inundated with pleasure, then you know it's worked. Give in to the synaptic masturbation and don't mind anything else. That's what it's all about.
Damn! Well put, brutha |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 06/30/2003 : 13:47:17
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My god, the english in here is terrible !
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1772 Posts |
Posted - 07/01/2003 : 10:37:17
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| Whatt ar yiou tawkin abowt?? |
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Johnny Horton
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 07/04/2003 : 22:55:55
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
There's a song you don't like on Teenager? Much less 14 of them?! I admit that the brown album isn't my number one, but damn it, I still love every song he's done prior or since. Not that you're not entitled to dislike whatever you want, I just don't understand you is all.
Xactly. Why does he have to put things into categories and then only two at that? Me thinks a little zen slap is necessary. I, too, am old enough to own original copies of pix albums and in their due release season. Who cares? I like it all and they are all different. |
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Johnny Horton
- FB Fan -
USA
14 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2003 : 23:05:53
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[quote]Originally posted by Leah
[purple]
That said I have time for both and I think of the PIXIES as being PURE ROCK, Frank solo as being likewise but FB&TC as being more a COUNTRY BAND...
Nah, joey santiago was channeling johnny cash with the Pix, too. |
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Brackish Girl
~ Soul Eater ~
Ireland
1750 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2003 : 04:49:19
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Originally posted by dougit
It is simply fun to dichotomize things sometimes, you know, the yin and yang.
'forget your yin, and go fuck your yang!'
sorry, i couldn't resist.
its a little unfair to think people who bought the pixies albums when they came out first are better fans, i can't help it if i wasn't even one when pilgrim came out!!!
Today i realised frank is the greatest man alive. Go figure. |
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dougit
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 07/05/2003 : 13:37:14
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brackish girl said:
"its a little unfair to think people who bought the pixies albums when they came out first are better fans, i can't help it if i wasn't even one when pilgrim came out!!!"
Dougit replies:
not better, just older. that is all i'm saying. Is older better? Well, that is a another topic to be discussed elsewhere.
But really, lost of negativeness on the replys to my original post...and to that I say go get your dictionaries out and look up the terms: IRONY, SARCASM, HYPERBOLE, & SARDICISM. They are all literary terms, but will be defined in your regular dictionary. AND THEN, TAKE A CHILL-PILL.
because really, what is even worse that someone who is creating arbitrary categories to have some literary fun on a Frank Black bbs is the type of person who says categories are stupid, even though the exact same thing has already been posted dozens of times in the same thread. Come on pilgrim, be like Frank black, BE ORIGINAL in your comments.
P.S. If the world did not have arbitrary descriptions of pattern, we basically would not even be communicating with each other. THINK ABOUT IT!
Even the idea of "FRANK BLACK IS THE BEST ALWAYS" is a friggin type-pattern, or have I lost you all... |
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Brackish Girl
~ Soul Eater ~
Ireland
1750 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2003 : 16:34:24
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Originally posted by thalassocrat
Now some are going to argue: "Look at the cord progression, blah, blah, blah". I just pity you. You want analysis? Well, OK, I don't mind being a hypocrite so I'll give you analysis. Fuck cord progression, that's for Frank to worry about not me or you. What you want is the hairs on your arm to stand up, electricity bursting through your skin.
i get wahat you are saying, but when people talk about the chord progression they are talking about 'hairs on your arm to stand up, electricity bursting through your skin', and at the particular moment when they hit that from the other key is just such a little moment of bliss.
Today i realised frank is the greatest man alive. Go figure. |
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Brackish Girl
~ Soul Eater ~
Ireland
1750 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2003 : 16:46:10
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Originally posted by Leah
[purple]I see this as some sort of progression that you could almost take as being like whether you are more a breeders fan or a Throwing Muses fan also.
The Breeders are almost PURE ROCK, whereas the Muses (both Kristin and Tanya) have at times crossed over into country music sounds.
come on, i mean what about 'driving on 9'? thats a pretty c/w breeders song, even if they didn't write it.
Today i realised frank is the greatest man alive. Go figure. |
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
2002 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2003 : 20:07:31
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I survive the frank wars by taking no sides. I like TOTY...I like FB&C debut...I like Pistolero...I like 'em all. And each one is as different from the next as Surfer Rosa was from Bossanova. If the big guy ever hit a snag I think it was with Black Letter Days. As great as it is, I feel it overstayed its welcome. Devils Workshop is a tight little mutha. He needs to move away again. I hope Show Me Your Tears is as drastic as the shift between Pistolero and DITS. THAT was a shock...and a sublime one at that! But the transition between DITS and BLD almost felt like a sandblasted doppleganger. Dont get me wrong...BLD moves me around inside! But I want another jolt of Catholicism. How does this relate to this topic? I dont know...except I feel free of the '2 TYPES' of fans. I have a TERRIBLE soar throat by the way
Catchin' blue in his eyes that were brown
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eebee
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
104 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2003 : 06:11:34
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| i live two miles from my da's walking down the beach, toty takes me from my front door to my da's exactly-i wonder if i time it? i just dont know |
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1738 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2003 : 20:29:58
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That last post was the coolest one I have read in this whole thread.
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