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frank_black_francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
895 Posts |
 Posted - 06/12/2003 : 18:43:49
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i think its teenager of the year....what do you think?
...and evolving from the sea, would not be too much time for me, to walk beside you in the sun.... |
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Mike Rutherford
- FB Fan -
USA
171 Posts |
Posted - 06/12/2003 : 19:43:49
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| Teenager gets my vote as well. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 06/12/2003 : 19:57:09
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i think it's a toss up between Teenager and his first self-titled album. and if i had to choose, i'd go with the first album.
when you think about it, he did so many things on FRANK BLACK that he hadn't done before.. and obviously in part because he wanted to go in a new direction from Pixies.. (which he did).
Teenager is just an extension of the the experimentation that went into "FRANK BLACK"
*clairification before flamage* :
i'm not saying that FRANK BLACK is necessairly a "better" album than Teenager.. (Teenager is arguably superior in many ways).. just arguing that the experimentation curve on FRANK BLACK is probably Frank's highest.. by definition..
i love both of them, and i think both of them represent Frank and EDF's best work together..
how about an album of just Frank and Eric Drew???
didn't someone say there's a demo floating around out there of the FRANK BLACK stuff with just Frank and Eric?
THAT i'd be into hearing..
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 06/12/2003 : 21:26:12
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| Of his career, I might saw Trompe Le Monde...with that production, lots of noises and atmospheres. Solo albums...tough call, between the first two. |
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pong
= Cult of Ray =
France
315 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2003 : 00:00:24
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for me it's FB and the C's self-titled.
- Pong
"i'll be on the first fligh" |
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Sheamus
= Cult of Ray =
Australia
345 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2003 : 00:33:58
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How can that be considered experimental? It was a change for Frank, but it was hardly experimental, that style of music has been around for ages.
The most experimental work in my opinion (if we're counting Pixies days)is obviously the Purple Tape. It started a new genre of music out of practically nothing. |
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ObfuscateByWill
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1887 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2003 : 01:15:14
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TOTY
*Bottleneck. |
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1602 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2003 : 06:10:16
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Originally posted by ObfuscateByWill
TOTY
*Bottleneck.
Once again, please explain why this was experimental.
Metal Machine Music is experimental, not an album of Pop songs.
None of FB's albums were experimental.
I love them all so don't think I am saying something bad, but they are not experimental. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2003 : 07:02:21
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| i know this wasn't directed at me, but i kind of took the question to be, "which is most experimental, for Frank".. sure, none of his music is very experimental, relatively speaking. but we can still determine when he was doing the most experimenting, himself.. |
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bazza
* Dog in the Sand *
Ireland
1439 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2003 : 07:43:43
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i hope frank doesnt get more 'experimental' and release a drum and bass album like bowie.
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Scarla O
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
947 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2003 : 08:03:37
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Hey Bazza!!! Bowie's 'drum and bass' was ok...did you hear him perform some of those songs live? They rocked. |
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bazza
* Dog in the Sand *
Ireland
1439 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2003 : 08:47:28
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| i did see bowie live in dublin a good while back (1997?) and - admittedly - the drum and bass stuff did get a lot of the crowd going. not a big fan myself though... but different strokes i guess. cheers bill. |
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eldorado
- FB Fan -
30 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2003 : 09:49:44
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| I took three days drive down one street. The radio on tuned to the big fleet. Invisible plane crack in the concrete. That's what some people say. I agree dude. |
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Omer
= Cult of Ray =
275 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2003 : 10:09:24
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| I think Earthling - the Bowie Bass and drums album - is probably his best since 'Scary Monsters'. It rocks hard and has some great tunes like 'Dead Man Walking' and 'I'm Afraid of americans' |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2003 : 21:53:56
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| I don't think any of the FB albums are experimental. |
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IceCream
= Quote Accumulator =
USA
1850 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2003 : 00:24:40
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| Yeah, I would agree with Pixies' Trompe le Monde. Relative to Lou Reed's Metal Machine Music, it really is not experimental, but the songs vary in style and production. Tablas on "Space" and the second guitar on "Distance Equals Rate Times Time" serve as reasons for my opinion. |
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theonecontender
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
565 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2003 : 02:08:57
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An album filled with liquor.
like, that one with lickah. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2003 : 04:58:38
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I think Dog in the Sand
not because it sounds very experimental
but it was a very new sound
with the pedal steel and all
EDF back in the game
''it's not a box, it's a submarine'' |
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astroman
- FB Fan -
Portugal
84 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2003 : 05:07:15
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| experimental...FB?????please stop talkink with the ishists. |
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frank_black_francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
895 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2003 : 07:29:08
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| ok, ok....before the drum and bass/ experimental music scene came on, and before metal machine music, human beings termed attempts at new styles and arrangements as "EXPERIMENTAL"....if some of you can get past the semantics....we could talk about albums or songs in whish Frank made ATTEMPTS AT NEW STYLES AND ARRANGEMENTS IN HIS MUSIC.......THEREFORE, which albums or songs do you believe he made the significant attempts at changing or playing around with his previous style of writing songs.....some of you got this right off the bat...good for you. |
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bazza
* Dog in the Sand *
Ireland
1439 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2003 : 07:46:04
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by the way ... any of you heard lou reeds metal machine music?
is it really as bad as everyone lets on?
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2003 : 10:21:36
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Frank Black has always been experimental, maybe not in the traditional 'out there beyond the definition of music' sense, but at least within his own work. Every album and, until lately, every song, has a much different everything. The chord progressions and the song structures are certainly not traditional. The lyrics are not your standard fare.
Unless you're trying to genrify experimental as music that sounds a certain way (in which case, why the hell is it called experimental), I would say that FB is as experimental as it gets, and my vote goes for Teenager as well, because no two songs sound anywhere near the same, and songs like Hostess With The Mostest, Pong, etc are quite unusual in a fantastic sort of way. And there are just a whole lot of songs to choose from, though there's no denying that songs like Headache are pretty traditional pop. |
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mun chien andalusia
= Quote Accumulator =
Italy
2139 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2003 : 11:11:20
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Originally posted by El Barto
I don't think any of the FB albums are experimental.
I agree.They are all good rock records,brilliant maybe but not experimental in the sense of exploring new styles or sounds.If the thread was about the album that signs a change in his career for me that album is the catholics s/t.In this one starts to leave behind punk-ish r'n'r for more classical forms.
www.munchienandalusia.too.it |
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2003 : 13:37:49
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Again, I thought it was pretty clear that by "experimental" Frank Black Francis meant relatively. I mean, in the swing of things, even Britney Spears is going to have a "most experimental" album. In comparison to Can or John Cage or Glenn Branca, sure, none of FB's stuff is going to seem that experimental. However if you listen to "Motorway to Roswell" or "Freedom Rock" next to a Matchbox 20 song, you can be sure they're gonna sound pretty experimental.
Also, c'mon, the Pixies were experimental in the same way the Beatles were, injecting new life into pop music. High pitched shrieking in a bouncy pop song, odd time signitures, the lyrics, it's pretty experimental if you ask me.
Getting back to his solo stuff, I would say Teenager of the Year. The final 2 minutes of Speedy Marie and Pure Denizen of the Citizen's Band are totally out of left field, Freedom Rock's sudden changes, the unique rhyming schemes he uses throughout, putting slow tempo lounge songs next to fast punk songs, the synth atmospheres that spread over the entire album. I'd say its Frank's most experimental album. |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2003 : 14:27:13
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| OK, I can understand the re-definition of "experimental" in the sense of "going for a different sound, etc." but still, I have to say that I do not find any album experimental. If you go from the beginning of his career to current, it's just a flowing evolution of sound. The only way I would classify any album as experimental is if it had a completely different sound from the album before it, and the album after it sounded absolutely nothing like that. I can't say there's a single album which fits that description. The sound, the music, the songwriting just evolved and matured with him. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2003 : 20:54:34
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| That is a good point... it has been a rather continuous evolution. But his later albums, starting with brown, are much more homogenous than his earlier ones. |
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dougit
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 06/15/2003 : 22:42:56
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| it is so easy to say teenager, but really it is obviously CULT OF RAY. all you teenager fans know how secretly dissapointed you were when Cult of Ray came out...! Well, that is what I call experimentation. |
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1772 Posts |
Posted - 06/16/2003 : 07:36:20
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quote:
Originally posted by dougit
it is so easy to say teenager, but really it is obviously CULT OF RAY. all you teenager fans know how secretly dissapointed you were when Cult of Ray came out...! Well, that is what I call experimentation.
Nope. Love 'em both. Though Teenager is by far the superior one through scope & number of songs alone. |
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frank_black_francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
895 Posts |
Posted - 06/16/2003 : 11:45:21
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| teenager has the most variety of styles, arrangements and songwriting.....its pretty obvious |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 06/16/2003 : 12:09:48
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quote:
Originally posted by frank_black_francis
teenager has the most variety of styles, arrangements and songwriting.....its pretty obvious
if it were obvious then everyone would agree, wouldn't they? |
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frank_black_francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
895 Posts |
Posted - 06/16/2003 : 16:48:39
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ooooook.....obvious to me....happy?
...and evolving from the sea, would not be too much time for me, to walk beside you in the sun.... |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 06/16/2003 : 19:21:16
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i think sheamus' point is a good one, with The Purple Tape..
i still think the most drastic within his career was going from Trompe Le Monde to FRANK BLACK self-titled. horns and crazy timings.. and WAY more keyboard stuff then he ever had. plus sound efffects.
the opening track alone is emblematic of this, with a song within a song.. that's pretty experimental, though it's been done before of course.. but the changing tempos thing was a new one for him. (although i guess he kind of did that with The Sad Punk).. |
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StupidMe
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Posted - 06/16/2003 : 19:41:11
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| I think the purple tape is the most experimental hands down. |
Edited by - StupidMe on 06/16/2003 19:42:37 |
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bazza
* Dog in the Sand *
Ireland
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Posted - 06/17/2003 : 01:39:01
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| i would agree with that |
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