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Pioneer
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 Posted - 06/02/2003 : 18:14:43
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More and more, I need beauty inmy proximity, to draw it close to my derelict cavity. Last summer, I saw a marsh that was shaped like a river. Stretching into the distance, a mob of purple loosestrife. Beautiful, the type of scene that will make you drop to your knees and propose to the nearest thing resembling the opposite sex. My apologies to that moose. Emily Dickinson. You can picture her retreating into her "northwest corridor" at the sound of a rap on her front door. "First chill, then stupor, then the letting go," as she wrote in a fascicle. That girl at the deli. Anyone ever read Nabokov's "Lolita"? The tag of "All This is That" by the Beach Boys. Wow. Don't get me started, but the Beach Boys were about something more than surfing and cars. Let it be known. Brian and his brothers believed that music is spirit and people are spirit, and that's why people love music. Maurice Gibb called their music soul music, quote unquote. Ever since Brian decided to give his listeners unconditional love, the love he sought from music while growing up in fear of his father, well, that's one hell of a mission statement for an artist. Winona Ryder's eyes. "You're so pretty when you're unfaithful to me," as Black Francis once declared. A controversial view? I know some of you will object. Shoplifting. Tonight I tried a mint julep for the first time. Kentucky Derby? We don't need no stinking horse race! And yet I'd like to play the ponies just once. I have no interest in gambling, but I like trying new stuff from time to time.
Anyway, to the point... the perfect food:
Ice cream. Vanilla, chocolate swirls, and peanut butter cups. I rest my case. |
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Pioneer
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Posted - 06/02/2003 : 18:19:48
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| The worst food? Frank will disagree, but it's Mexican food. Someone diabolical invented that. "Let's see, what can we come up with that's utterly disgusting..." Some food that I dislike, I can hold my nose and eat. Mexican food? I taste it and my brain says, "Poison! Spit it out!" I shit you not, no pun intended. |
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floop
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Mexico
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Posted - 06/02/2003 : 18:52:35
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clearly your negative comments about Mexican food are just another way of saying "i would like to fist fight".. but i'm not going to fall for that..
if anything i just pity you, because obviously you've never had real mexican food.
not to get all southern-california snobbish, but it's true that the closer you are to the border the better the Mexican is... same for the other southwestern states. i'm on the east coast right now and have yet to find any good mexican food. nor do i expect to. most of the mexican you find away from mexico is the very "family style" bland stuff that your grandparents like. refried beans, hard shell tacos with iceburg lettuce, enchiladas.
you'll never find good mexican seafood, or carnitas, or oaxacan style moles.. or mulitas. nor will you find good hot sauces.
it all pales in comparison to California Mexican, i'm sorry to say.
i do agree about mint juleps though.. very tasty. |
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mereubu
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Posted - 06/02/2003 : 19:29:40
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Uh-oh, throwdown!
Pioneer, I don't even know what to say when confronted by your heretical beliefs. Where are you eating--Taco B(H)ell? You should be force-fed good rice & beans until you convert. (Sorry, but I have fascist feelings about Mexican food.)
Now, now, floop, this country does consist of more than two coasts!
I think Tex-Mex & California Mexican should wrestle in mole and see who's better. I do agree with you that on the east coast you're probably more likely to find good Puerto Rican food than Mexican.
We're reasonably close to the border down South, too. (Plus there's that great tejano music--love that accordion!) Even in Arkansas (which has one of the fastest-growing Hispanic populations in the U.S. right now) we're starting to get, in addition to the beloved Tex-Mex that we've always had, some genuine, um, Mex-Mex. Mole is goood. Now if those folks from Louisiana would just throw some more Cajun our way (must I do everything myself?) I would be mighty pleased.
Mexican, Indian, Thai, Vietnamese, Cajun, Ethiopian--if it's spicy then it's (as my daughter would say) a "food friend. |
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speedy_m
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Posted - 06/02/2003 : 19:34:59
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Originally posted by Pioneer
More and more, I need beauty inmy proximity, to draw it close to my derelict cavity. Last summer, I saw a marsh that was shaped like a river. Stretching into the distance, a mob of purple loosestrife. Beautiful, the type of scene that will make you drop to your knees and propose to the nearest thing resembling the opposite sex. My apologies to that moose. Emily Dickinson. You can picture her retreating into her "northwest corridor" at the sound of a rap on her front door. "First chill, then stupor, then the letting go," as she wrote in a fascicle. That girl at the deli. Anyone ever read Nabokov's "Lolita"? The tag of "All This is That" by the Beach Boys. Wow. Don't get me started, but the Beach Boys were about something more than surfing and cars. Let it be known. Brian and his brothers believed that music is spirit and people are spirit, and that's why people love music. Maurice Gibb called their music soul music, quote unquote. Ever since Brian decided to give his listeners unconditional love, the love he sought from music while growing up in fear of his father, well, that's one hell of a mission statement for an artist. Winona Ryder's eyes. "You're so pretty when you're unfaithful to me," as Black Francis once declared. A controversial view? I know some of you will object. Shoplifting. Tonight I tried a mint julep for the first time. Kentucky Derby? We don't need no stinking horse race! And yet I'd like to play the ponies just once. I have no interest in gambling, but I like trying new stuff from time to time.
Anyway, to the point... the perfect food:
Ice cream. Vanilla, chocolate swirls, and peanut butter cups. I rest my case.
A classic rant. Poetic and wonderfull. Sometimes organized thoughts and cohesion are way overrated. |
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Pioneer
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Posted - 06/02/2003 : 19:38:23
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Pistols at dawn, floop. Actually, I'm indebted to you for responding to this thread.
I've lived on the east coast all my life, so maybe that's got something to do with my racist culinary view. I tried Mexican food at a place called the Border Cafe plus another place that was a small family-run fast food type joint, and I also tried Uncle Ben's Southwestern Style Something-or-other Rice Bowl. I couldn't stomach any of it. Now Doritos--that's another story. Bravo, Mexico, for your nacho cheese. |
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floop
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Mexico
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Posted - 06/02/2003 : 19:42:25
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Originally posted by mereubu
Now, now, floop, this country does consist of more than two coasts!
I think Tex-Mex & California Mexican should wrestle in mole and see who's better. I do agree with you that on the east coast you're probably more likely to find good Puerto Rican food than Mexican.
hey, i did say "all the southwestern states".. that's right though, you guys got that coast down there..
i had some great Mexican when i was in Austin.. i have no doubt that the surrounding areas around there are up to par.
in LA though, we've got the 2nd largest Mexican population next to Mexico city.. so we've definitely got it covered.. that's all i'm sayin'.
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Mexican, Indian, Thai, Vietnamese, Cajun, Ethiopian--if it's spicy then it's (as my daughter would say) a "food friend.
could't agree more.
though not Mexican, or spicy, i have had some great sushi while i've been here.. a recent obsession. |
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El Barto
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Posted - 06/02/2003 : 19:43:10
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I have to stick up for Brian Wilson here...you say "Don't get me started, but the Beach Boys were about something more than surfing and cars. Let it be known. Brian and his brothers believed that music is spirit and people are spirit, and that's why people love music." Brian was behind it, into the deep spiritual music sound, and most of the other Beach Boys kinda rolled their eyes, mainly Mike Love. He just wanted to sing about cars and shit...Brian Wilson was the genius.
As for food, *real* Mexican food is fucking excellent. There's a large concentration of Hispanic people in the town just south of us, and there's this Mexican restaurant that is terrific, the best Mexican food I've ever eaten. You have to get the right stuff man...authentic Mexican. |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 06/02/2003 : 20:58:20
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Originally posted by floop
clearly your negative comments about Mexican food are just another way of saying "i would like to fist fight".. but i'm not going to fall for that..
if anything i just pity you, because obviously you've never had real mexican food.
not to get all southern-california snobbish, but it's true that the closer you are to the border the better the Mexican is... same for the other southwestern states.
Amen! I grew up in Texas and it's has good Mexican food here and there (but an over-reliance on fajitas), but when I moved to San Diego the truth was revealed. Nothing in my book compares to a great carneasada burrito or a chorizo enchilada, particularly to end a night out.
There's an odd little cline in burritos in California. You start out in San Diego and a carneasade burrito is carneasada (beef), guacamole, and pico de galo. And, as you move up the coast, past LA beans and rice are added to the burrito. Finally, you get to SF and the thing is packed with all kinds of things (corn, cheese). I've never figured out why that happens. They do so many things right in SF, but they gotta go and screw up the carneasada burrito? |
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floop
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Mexico
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Posted - 06/03/2003 : 05:03:24
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Originally posted by darwin
There's an odd little cline in burritos in California. You start out in San Diego and a carneasade burrito is carneasada (beef), guacamole, and pico de galo. And, as you move up the coast, past LA beans and rice are added to the burrito. Finally, you get to SF and the thing is packed with all kinds of things (corn, cheese). I've never figured out why that happens. They do so many things right in SF, but they gotta go and screw up the carneasada burrito?
indeed, there are so many permutations of "Mexican".. but hey, most of them are all good. burritos are actually more of an American invention. it's not really a traditional mexican food. but who cares. there's a really good burrito place in SF called El Faralito, which is like you describe (a bastardized version of the closer-to-the-border stuff) but it's great.
to answer your question pioneer, mole is a sauce commonly used in more southern mexican food ("they got a bunch down in moleville"), particularly Oaxacan food.. it's made with chiles, spices, peanuts and unsweetened chocolate.. generally it's drizzled on all kinds of foods and very tasty stuff.
ok, now i'm really starting to miss home.
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mereubu
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Posted - 06/03/2003 : 07:30:50
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Hey, mereubu and floop, what the devil is mole? Are you talking about the animal with the ratty tail? Actually, I'm a disgraceful carnivore so I'd try it if that's what you're talking about. Posting on this board, I picture all you guys as a bunch of spiteful vegetarians, but I must confess, one of my favorite meals ever was The Florida Platter at a redneck joint in, you guessed it, Florida: catfish, frog legs, and delicious alligator. I could eat there every day of my life, but my Chinese-American bud didn't feel comfy there. Mole. Jeez! I have a theory that armadillos are delicious and that's why they have so much armor. My friend insists they're just nasty rodents though.
Hahaaa! I love that you picture us as spiteful vegetarians! I'm a fairly equal-opportunity eater myself, though I do have a food allergy to beef. (It's been thirteen years but I still dream about reubens sometimes. . .) I've had my share of catfish & frog legs (haven't seen any lately around here, though.) We have a street fair here every year where you can buy damn near anything on a stick, including gator and, oddly enough, cheesecake. You can walk around with one in each hand and take alternate bites: gator. cheesecake. gator. cheesecake. I'm not sure that they're two great tastes that go good together.
I can't imagine that moles would taste very good. Too scrawny. All I'll add to floop's mole lesson is pronunciation: MO-lay.
We're getting more and more good authentic mexican here, but all the authentic places put peas & carrots & lima beans in the rice. Kinda' wish they'd just leave it alone.
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Broken Face
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Posted - 06/03/2003 : 08:24:38
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i love good mexican food - there used to be this amazing taco place in the ghetto about 25 minutes from where i live and it was fantastic. now i'm left with only taco bell
and mike love can suck my dick. i hate that bastard
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floop
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Mexico
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Posted - 06/03/2003 : 10:33:36
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it's funny how everyone hates mike love. i actually went to high school with one of mike love's nephews. i never heard that he was a dick or anything, but it's quite possible..
"i can even find it in my heart to love mike love" -belle and sebastian |
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speedy_m
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Canada
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Posted - 06/03/2003 : 10:48:47
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Not feeling the bliss of ignorance. Who is Mike Love?
Belle and Sebastian are great. This may ruffle a few feathers, but I like Fold Your Hands best. Thought it's the only one I own. I should spend more time with the others.
And by the way Pioneer, I'm a fan of Mexican food. The great Amigo's Cantina in Saskatoon offers up wonderfull mexican fare, as well as being the local cool venue for indie rock. Frank didn't play there, but only because it's too small for the intense sold out crowd that showed up at the larger campus venue. |
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Broken Face
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Posted - 06/03/2003 : 11:42:32
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mike love is one of the beach boys - he's pretty much a whore - he still tours as the beach boys yet he's the only original member - he's notoriously money grubbing and has a very narrow view of music (ie. he didn't "get" pet sounds). he sang lead on a lot of the early songs.
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speedy_m
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Canada
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Posted - 06/03/2003 : 13:07:05
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| Danke shane. I should have known that. There's a lot I should know but don't. Is the bearded one that sings Kokomo? |
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Pioneer
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Posted - 06/03/2003 : 14:40:22
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| No, the bearded one is Carl Wilson. Mike is the one with the nasally voice. He used to have sandy-colored hair, but has been wearing hats for years to cover up his bald crown. His niece posts on message boards sometimes. She says he's a good guy with a sense of humor that a lot of people don't get to witness. At any rate, he makes himself a very easy target for critics. |
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speedy_m
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Posted - 06/03/2003 : 15:18:51
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| That's a common misconception, Pioneer. In truth Johnson knew little of foreign affairs, particularly the Vietnam War. He assumed the name "Hanoi Jane" came from the fact that he found her to be "hannoying". He was indeed talking about me and Mexican food. Little known fact of American history, that. |
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El Barto
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Posted - 06/03/2003 : 17:17:40
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| Mike Love might be a nice person, yes, but his views on the Beach Boys music Pet Sounds/SMiLE era are very assholeish. Like Broken Face said, he "didn't get Pet Sounds." I have a clip of the promo video they made for the song "Fire" from SMiLE and Mike Loves make the "smoking joint" signal with his hand to his mouth and rolls his eyes. What a dick. He can sing, though, of course...some of the earlier songs that he wrote/cowrote were good, but he obviously his a ceiling which stopped him from writing any better than California Girls. |
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greg
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Posted - 06/03/2003 : 17:29:35
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Thanks to all who have contributed to this thread so far,it really is a fantastic read. I am happy that I checked out this FB.net thing not so long ago.
Now on to all things culinary...
Chips,malt vinegar and a bartender who already has started to pour your Guiness as he sees you come up the street.Does life offer more?
Oh yeah, Any chocolate that is rich in cocoa powder,yet still laden with lots of cocoa butter.
Freshly cleaned pickerel fillets (walleye),pan fries and cold beer shared with friends is pretty glorious!!
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mereubu
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Posted - 06/03/2003 : 19:53:39
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This street fair you're talking about, mereubu, it takes place in Arkansas? I wonder what the deal is with turkey legs. In Florida, everyone was walking around chomping on them. Don't remember seeing any gator & cheesecake kebab though. Also, I don't recall coming across any Ethiopian restaurants here in the northeast. Are there a lot of them in the U.S., or do you have an Ethiopian community near you?
Yeah, the annual Toad Suck Daze festival in Conway, AR. (Local T-shirt slogan: "Where in the heck is Conway, AR? Halfway between Toad Suck and Pickles Gap.") *sigh*
I don't know what's up with the big turkey leg either, but they're everywhere. Bunch of rednecks with achey-breaky hair strutting the streets, gnawing the damned things like Henry VIII. At the Arkansas State Fair, they have (in addition to the obligatory turkey legs) deep-fried Twinkies & Snicker bars (on a stick, natch.) Mmmmm. . .
[No Ethiopian food around here, more's the pity. There were various good African restaurants when I lived in Madison, WI, and I've also had good Ethiopian in Atlanta.]
This thread is making me hungry. |
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Pioneer
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Posted - 06/03/2003 : 19:58:54
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| Ah, you're from Manitoba, Greg. Guess that explains the walleye. I was going to guess either Manitoba or Ontario. But yeah, you remind me of how great pleasant routines can be. In fact, one could argue that an old friend is just an embodiment of a pleasant routine. |
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mereubu
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Posted - 06/03/2003 : 20:32:37
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Oh, we've got some båd, and occasionally obscene, town names around here. On my last drive to St. Louis, I drove through Bald Knob and Knob Lick. On the other hand, there's also Hot Coffee, AR, and that sounds kinda cool.
Mmm, orange dutch chocolate sounds good, although that's as far as I'll go towards the fruit end of the ice cream spectrum--I don't stray too far from the chocolates. |
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mereubu
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Posted - 06/03/2003 : 20:33:40
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Originally posted by Pioneer
In fact, one could argue that an old friend is just an embodiment of a pleasant routine.
Niiice. |
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mereubu
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Posted - 06/03/2003 : 20:53:50
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| Sorry, no irony meant. I just thought it was a good sentence/sentiment. Very concise. (Nice enough for two extra "i"s!) |
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floop
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Pioneer
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Posted - 06/05/2003 : 17:43:52
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In case you missed it, floop, I've pretty much vanquished everyone advocating Mexican food on this thread. Just the same, my understanding of a "good taco" is that it simply must smell like perspiration during preparation. I hope someone cooler than me can comment more intelligently on your article though.
Another perfect food? One word: flan. Bread pudding's not bad either. Rattlesnake's OK, albeit bony. Fry some up on Snakesgiving Day and then make snake salad sandwiches out of the leftovers until Christmas. |
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floop
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Mexico
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Posted - 06/05/2003 : 19:46:21
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Originally posted by Pioneer
In case you missed it, floop, I've pretty much vanquished everyone advocating Mexican food on this thread. Just the same, my understanding of a "good taco" is that it simply must smell like perspiration during preparation. I hope someone cooler than me can comment more intelligently on your article though.
i'm sorry that you live in a dark cave of non-good-Mexican-tasting existence.. i'll pray for you tonight..
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mereubu
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Posted - 06/05/2003 : 20:32:17
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Holy mole!
I think I hear angels weeping somewhere. No wait, it's me! |
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KingOfSiam
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Posted - 06/06/2003 : 06:54:52
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| how about Wasabi coated peanuts, yum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Pioneer
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Posted - 06/06/2003 : 15:13:50
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Please pray a little faster, floop.
KingOfSiam, I take it you have to coat these peanuts yourself rather than buying them pre-coated somewhere? Interesting concept at any rate. |
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greg
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Posted - 06/06/2003 : 20:03:23
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[quote]Originally posted by mereubu
Holy mole!
very funny!! |
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floop
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Mexico
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Posted - 06/06/2003 : 20:45:49
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nice one pioneer...
seriously, i go beyond mexican food though.. though it is something worth getting into a fist fight over.
let's talk about sushi.
i think i could eat sushi every day and not get sick of it.
though maybe i could..
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floop
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Mexico
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Posted - 06/07/2003 : 07:00:51
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pioneer, i think i'm a pretty good judge of when someone is joking or not.. it's all fun and games..
that said, i'm not joking when it comes to fist fighting over tacos.. so you name the time and place!
just kidding.
i assure you pioneer, i would probably not physically harm anyone over the issue of Mexican food.. though i suppose i can imagine a scenario where that might happen..
mint juleps.. mmm.
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floop
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Posted - 06/11/2003 : 20:21:35
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pray for the girls indeed.
yeah, i could never get into Cassevetes, despite how much he's hailed far and wide.. though i haven't seen many of his films..
as for supertasting, i'm afraid you're alone on that one pioneer. i love coffee. maybe even more than mexican food.
above and beyond being a film snob, indie music snob, and mexican food fascist.. i'm a pretty hardcore coffee snob.
columbo's cool. |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 06/11/2003 : 21:04:19
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floop, my last iota of self esteem would have evaporated if you didn't post on this thread. If not you, then who? What a lonely thread this would be.
Now, as for tastebuds, evolution applies. I couldn't tolerate mustard on a hot dog until I hit age 30. Now, I use Gulden's and French's in limited ways. Coffee? I used to work with a homosexual who talked about coffee culture all the livelong day. Well, I don't understand the biblical part about homosexuality. My gay friend said it was so clear, so condemning, but I didn't excel on the verbal part of the SATs, and my reading comprehension on the Bible is lacking. At any rate, I dig chicks, but don't believe I can condemn homosexuals. God judges, not me. The embedded point, I started drinking coffee lately to be sociable. People say, "Wanna get a coffee?" Now I can say, "Yeah!" Franch vanilla is my fave.
Nuff said. You hate Mexican food and you like flavored coffee. Now, if you say you hate baseball, then you are officially my opposite and for sake of the world we should never meet (you know the whole matter/anti matter thing).
However, James Garner is quite a guy in Rockford Files (in a Steve McQueen kind of way). |
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