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floop
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Mexico
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 Posted - 06/01/2003 : 20:06:43
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so many to choose from, where do i start?
i think one of the absolute most overrated films of all time was: (drum roll)...
SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE - sure, it was impressive and Gweneth Paltrow is a good actress blah blah.. but give me a fucking break! best picture? i remember having to wait through sold out lines because there was so much hype surrrounding this film..
i'll never get that time back.
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TRAFFIC - another film that, YES, it was a good film. even a very good film .. but was it really deserving of that much critical ass-kissing? after Erin Brokavich, apparantly Stephen Soderberg could do no wrong.. and a film like this, which was basically a very stylish re-make of a very simple film, is considered the second coming of christ.. i think even christ would agree that the varying film stock technique was gimmicky and derivative..
AMELIE - yet another, what i like to call "bandwagon film".. where everybody jumps on and says "oh, it was so brilliant blah blah..".. it just didn't do that much for me. i'm not saying i thought it was bad. visually, it was amazing.. and i can't deny it's a "good" film. but "GENIUS"? "best film if the year"??? etc etc.. frankly, Amelie kind of started bugging me after a while, and the whole cute, looking-at-the-camera thing was highly annoying...
CHOCOLATE - (pronounced with a french accent, so that it makes it sound more foreign).. i thought the plot was pretty fucking trite. yet another shitty foreign film that Miramax wanted everyone to think was good. only it wasn't even foreign.
LIFE IS BEAUTIFUL - i love roberto beginnini (especially in DOWN BY LAW) and obviously it was a heartfelt project for him.. but i thought it was also very trite and overrated.
i could go on and on.. but i better not.. sorry if any of these are your favorite films.. it's just my opinion.
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Stuart
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China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 06/01/2003 : 21:37:54
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Any blockbuster.... Gangs of New York.... was welling looking forward to seeing it, only to find out that it was a pile of shite.
War....... Its not fantastic |
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theonecontender
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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Posted - 06/01/2003 : 23:00:29
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Magnolia..
and most movies about the holocaust... heavy topic and all, but is every film a masterpiece? |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 06/02/2003 : 02:20:41
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Floop... I agree with you on every point (except I haven't seen Shakespeare is Love).
I'd add to your list:
- The Matrix. Perhaps it's because I saw it years after its release (I saw it last week actually) and the special FX had been copied a thousand times, but I thought it was crap.
- The 6th Sense. Crap.
I don't think Gangs Of New York is overrated, because I don't think it was highly rated by the critics. And I liked it.
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mdisanto
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 06/02/2003 : 03:56:24
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6th sense and matrix arent overrated. id say matrix 2 is overrated. but the first matrix was really good, althoughi can see how not seeing it when it came out could ruin it for you. but amelie, yah i didnt like that movie either, and when one of my friends saw it and made us all watch it, suddenly all my friends were inlove with it, but i couldnt even watch through it once. it got pretty annoying eventually.
Personally i think Donnie Darko is way way overrated. Everyone thinks its so deep. I mean its entertaining but as it was said before, no movie should have to be explained in the director commentary.
Another movie that ISNT overrated but i could see a lot of people saying it is, is American Beauty. Before i saw it i assumed i was gonna be annoying for some reason, but i think thats a really great movie. ive seen it like 3 times and it always is interesting.
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gracie
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/02/2003 : 05:30:16
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gangs of new york- terrible, those irish accents were laughable although day lewis was very good.
magnolia sky- tom cruise is awful in everything. this was an interesting idea but he turned it into a hair advert by constantly looking in the mirror and trying to look pensive.
star wars- absolute shit.
matrix- keanu reeves is the worst actor in the world.
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gracie
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 06/02/2003 : 05:37:30
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| sorry, its vanilla sky- i was mixing up tom cruise films. magnolia was overated as well. |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 06/02/2003 : 05:43:53
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Vanilla Sky is ugly.
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1772 Posts |
Posted - 06/02/2003 : 08:28:40
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quote:
Originally posted by mdisanto
Personally i think Donnie Darko is way way overrated. Everyone thinks its so deep. I mean its entertaining but as it was said before, no movie should have to be explained in the director commentary.
Are you kidding? Donnie Darko is an amazing movie! The first time I saw it, it blew me away simply because I couldn't grasp the entire plot...its the kind of movie that leaves you with no choice but to watch it again (that is, if you want to make some kind of sense out of it.)
After having seen it a few times, I think I understand pretty much every single thing in it. and I never had to listen to the director commentary!
Anyway, I think its brilliant. Definitely not overrated--more like underrated ... if i remember correctly, it really didn't get much support or kudos in the media. It was more a word-of-mouth success. |
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Broken Face
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USA
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Posted - 06/02/2003 : 08:33:18
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Gladiator - most overrated film EVER
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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Posted - 06/02/2003 : 08:59:18
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I'd have to disagree, TITANIC is the most overrated film EVER.
I loved American Beauty, I must have seen it a dozen times.
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Broken Face
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USA
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Posted - 06/02/2003 : 09:36:17
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nope - gladiator
titanic didn't win oscars
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therewererumours
* Dog in the Sand *
Ireland
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Posted - 06/02/2003 : 09:46:06
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Originally posted by gracie
star wars- absolute shit.
You were never an eight year old boy who totally emersed themselves in that universe, had all the toys and thought Storm Troppers were the coolest looking dudes ever! I still like it for sentimental reasons even though the plot is cheesey and it has some of the corniest lines ever!
Thanks for slating Irish accents. I've never heard anyone who wasn't Irish do a good one, except for maybe Aidean Quinn.
"I meet a man with no little toe and a real big head" |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 06/02/2003 : 09:53:19
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| Almost any film Al Pacino has made for the last twenty years, particularly "Scent of Woman." That was the worst piece of overacting I've ever seen. And what did Al get for it? An Oscar. |
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mereubu
= FB QuizMistress =
USA
2677 Posts |
Posted - 06/02/2003 : 10:03:08
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Originally posted by Broken Face
nope - gladiator
titanic didn't win oscars
-brian
Sorry, birthday boy, but Titanic won 11 Oscars. Blecch. |
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 06/02/2003 : 10:08:32
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I'll agree on the Matrix, I was very weary of the "we're not living in reality" type of movie, already tackled much earlier by Gilliam, Fassbinder, and who knows who else. The Kung Fu element was interesting to add to it, but the highest praise that movie can get is for mixing genres rather than being innovative (like whoever invented "rap/metal")
Vanilla Sky wasn't good, but I'm not sure anyone is going to disagree. It basically jumped on the bandwagon already set rolling by the Matrix, "what is reality". I realize it was a remake of a 97 film, but the subject was tired even then.
Another I'll say is "Requiem for a Dream" and "Fight Club". Two movies I really enjoyed, but quickly started to tire of hearing endless praise heaped upon them. They basically worked as innovative arthouse movies for people who haven't seen many innovative arthouse movies. Requiem for a Dream didn't do anything that Drugstore Cowboy and Trainspotting didn't, except add some nice film school flourishes. Fight Club started out as a great anti-consumer black comedy satire type deal, but the plot twist in the end was a wee bit forced and the whole thing didn't come off as important as it wanted to be.
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blackpurse
= Cult of Ray =
USA
299 Posts |
Posted - 06/02/2003 : 10:37:33
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| Strike me down, but I honestly think Blue Velvet was overrated. A lot of Lynch annoys me. It's weirdness for the sake of weirdness. And I looooooove weirdness, but this film did very little for me. |
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Chris Knight
= Cult of Ray =
USA
899 Posts |
Posted - 06/02/2003 : 10:47:15
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| Oooh, blasphemous! |
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mereubu
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USA
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Posted - 06/02/2003 : 10:49:15
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| I too have a low tolerance for Lynch in general, and for Blue Velvet in particular. (Still haven't seen Mulholland Dr. yet--maybe it will redeem him for me. I do love Elephant Man, though.) |
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Broken Face
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Posted - 06/02/2003 : 11:41:12
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i stand corrected on the titanic no oscars thing - perhaps they (titanic/gladiator) are equally overrated - see, i can compromise!
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mereubu
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Posted - 06/02/2003 : 11:48:34
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Brackish Girl
~ Soul Eater ~
Ireland
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Posted - 06/02/2003 : 13:47:22
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i'm obsessed with donnie darko, just cos they talked about smurf's genitals-or rather non-genitals. the whole film is a total head-fuck! you aint soposed to understand it, i think, but what was weird was when gretchen didnt really look run over.
if anyone says anything negative about anybody i admire, i'll kick 'em in the taco.
and if all you see is violence, i'll make a plea, yeah, in my defence. |
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greg
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Posted - 06/02/2003 : 13:48:01
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any post '77 star wars-garbage. give it up Lucas.Now,nobody wants another.
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 06/02/2003 : 15:34:51
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| Hey, I liked 12 Monkeys...that's Gilliam. You'll note that was a criticism of Matrix/Vanilla sky, that Gilliam did it before and better (I was actually thinking of Brazil, but 12 Monkeys fits the bill as well). It was also a remake of a very good movie, La Jete, made in the 1960's, not that that really has anything to do with it. |
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Useyourname
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Posted - 06/02/2003 : 17:09:36
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A Clockwork Orange
Yeah I love Kubrick and yeah I have this movie on dvd, it's alright. But it is praised way too much by the teenage I wanna grow up and make movies cult movie crowd. Which I admit I am a part of but I hate when I see people with "droogs don't run" shirts because the begining isnt even the best part of the movie.
I agree with Donnie Darko being overated, it seemed like the writer thought of all these great ideas and then got to the 100 page mark and realized he had to wrap things up in 20 pages. It's entertaining but I don't think it's this deep movie that everyone makes it out to be, to think of it I really hate the whole cult movie group. I hate that you can buy these "classic" movies posters and t-shirts at every comicon and hot topic across the country. I hate that I fall into the category I hate. Yes I'm 18 and yes I want to be director. Damnit I'm so bitter. Anyway Donnie Darko would have been better as book, could have fit in a lot more and it could have been a lot deeper. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 06/02/2003 : 19:31:19
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Originally posted by Itchload
I'll agree on the Matrix, I was very weary of the "we're not living in reality" type of movie, already tackled much earlier by Gilliam, Fassbinder, and who knows who else. The Kung Fu element was interesting to add to it, but the highest praise that movie can get is for mixing genres rather than being innovative (like whoever invented "rap/metal")
i disagree somewhat on that.. i think if an artist mixes genres in a clever way, then it is "innovative." really, there aren't any "new" stories or themes.. (what is reality etc..).. the innovation comes with how the story is told, re-combining pre-existing techniques and narratives in a fresh way.
film is a visual medium, so it should be judged as such.. not stricly for the "themes' of the story, but for how it visually expresses the themes..
i don't think the Matrix is really profound, or saying anything new, but visually it's amazing. there's no denying that. even though they stole their techniques from a Gap commercial that pioneered the "bullet time" technique.. i think it works well with the themes of the film.. instead of just being style for the sake of style, like so many copycats that use the same technique.
that said, i'm not saying Matrix is the most brilliant film ever.. but, at least visually, it was innovative.
a better example of a film that i would consider innovative, and a brilliant film is MEMENTO. it used a pre-existing technique (non-linear storytelling) in a new way.. but also a way that worked organically, and perfectly, with the story it was telling.
i think MEMENTO is one of the most inventive films to come out in the last few years.. (along with WAKING LIFE, another extremely underrated film)
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Vanilla Sky wasn't good, but I'm not sure anyone is going to disagree. It basically jumped on the bandwagon already set rolling by the Matrix, "what is reality". I realize it was a remake of a 97 film, but the subject was tired even then.
i've actually only seen the original, ABRE LOS OHOS, and not VANILLA SKY. i had the same feeling about the original though.. it was just way too many plot twists.. and just a bit too film-school "and-then-he-woke-up [or didn't]" cliche for me. but i'm a film snob so what can is say?
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Another I'll say is "Requiem for a Dream" and "Fight Club". Two movies I really enjoyed, but quickly started to tire of hearing endless praise heaped upon them. They basically worked as innovative arthouse movies for people who haven't seen many innovative arthouse movies. Requiem for a Dream didn't do anything that Drugstore Cowboy and Trainspotting didn't, except add some nice film school flourishes. Fight Club started out as a great anti-consumer black comedy satire type deal, but the plot twist in the end was a wee bit forced and the whole thing didn't come off as important as it wanted to be.
i kind of agree, especially about the twist in FC, but like the Matrix, both of these films are absolutely incredible visually.
especially REQUIEM.
i don't think the characters and the story necessairly hold up the immense style of the film, but on a strictly visual level, as a piece of visual art, REQUIEM is undeniably amazing.
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 06/02/2003 : 21:29:46
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Independence Day.... now that movie made me sick the way the U.S. were protrayed as the healers of world distress.... It's also a fucking terrible movie.
War....... Its not fantastic |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 06/03/2003 : 01:29:40
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Clockwork Orange: I think it might have been a very good film when it was released, but it didn't age too well. I saw it a couple years ago and it indeed didn't do much to me. But I wouldn't call it "overrated".
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The Holiday Son
= Quote Accumulator =
France
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Posted - 06/03/2003 : 02:33:57
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Spiderman: Some good bits in the first hour (ie: the discovery of his powers) but the rest is bad.
Matrix: There are films way worse but since we're taling about overrated films, it deserves to be on the list.
Independance Day: I've never seen a pile of shit that big!
Most of the Oscarised films of the past ten years. |
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gracie
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
573 Posts |
Posted - 06/03/2003 : 11:20:49
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all david lynch's films are excellcent, interesting characters/situations and always beautifully shot, (except dune which was crap). watch mulholland drive and tell me that the casting scence isn't the most erotic and disturbing thing that you have ever seen.
i don't understand the fuss people make about citizen kane. i can see it must have been good at the time but i think its dated badly.
all james bond films are crap.
clockwork orange is a fantastic film, again beautifully shot. the ending of the film is different from the book as in the book alex decides to settle down and stop being a murderous rapist thug but its still a great film. |
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Chris Knight
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USA
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Posted - 06/03/2003 : 15:08:11
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Originally posted by mereubu
Still haven't seen Mulholland Dr. yet--maybe it will redeem him for me.
I doubt it, unless you're looking for increased weird w/ lesbian sex scenes thrown in the mix. I just checked out your "website". Cute pic. |
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 06/03/2003 : 18:45:23
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I think some people here are having the same problem with Clockwork Orange that I am having. I personally think it's brilliant, one of the best movies ever made--however, it has been sort of adopted by a certain group of movie fans for the wrong reason, and things like Clockwork Orange t-shirts and stuff like that dont entirely work. This kind of ruins the movie a bit, because when you say you love Clockwork Orange you're inclined to have someone roll their eyes a bit. Although, when some punks wear CO stuff it could be argued that Alex was the original punk, but that's a different story.
Regarding Requiem for a Dream (one of these days I'm going to learn how to quote) I'll agree that it was visually very well done, but the rhythmic patterns of popping pills was already pioneered by Aronofsky in Pi. I also think the style tended to overshadow the movie a bit, like hearing a record with a band with just an amazing new sound, but then revisiting the record more and more and discovering that they're not very great songwriters..or at least the songwriting isn't nearly as good as their "sound". Drugstore Cowboy was the least glitzy (some great cheapo surrealist drug fantasies though) but had the best content. Trainspotting was about even on both accounts, and Requiem has the best style and least relevant content (mostly for redundant reasons of what has already come before). |
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mereubu
= FB QuizMistress =
USA
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Posted - 06/03/2003 : 19:38:44
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Originally posted by Chris Knight
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Originally posted by mereubu
Still haven't seen Mulholland Dr. yet--maybe it will redeem him for me.
I doubt it, unless you're looking for increased weird w/ lesbian sex scenes thrown in the mix. I just checked out your "website". Cute pic.
Hell, some girl-on-girl action couldn't hurt--might break up the weird a little.
I'm technologically lame and I can't figure out any other way to link a photo. Thanks, though! I anxiously await the development of pics of me in my fabulous new FB&TC hat. |
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