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DrBone
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 Posted - 05/29/2003 : 23:17:28
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OK does anyone have any sort of inside scoop on this? I've never been able to track down any info on this subject. Anyone have any juicy gossib ot interesting anecdotes they can enlighten me with?
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Pete Egress
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USA
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Posted - 05/29/2003 : 23:39:06
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| I may be wron but I thought it was a combination of him and Kim deal hating each other, plus realizing that they were getting way too big. The pixies last tour I believe was opening for U2 in the US stadium tour. This is the antithesis of what Franks music seems to be about. |
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
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Posted - 05/30/2003 : 00:43:47
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I heard that by the time they were opening for the Pixies there popularity was waning a little. Thats what MOJO said in an article a few years back. I think that Frank did the best thing, they are now a legendary band, and should remain that way with no chance of a tarnished comeback.
War....... Its not fantastic |
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frank_black_francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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Posted - 05/30/2003 : 03:20:04
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wasnt frank going solo before the pixies broke up? i mean, i heard he did a few shows by himself when they were still a band...even before making his first album (which i believe was made while they were still a band)
...and evolving from the sea, would not be too much time for me, to walk beside you in the sun.... |
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jOb
- FB Fan -
Ireland
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Posted - 05/30/2003 : 04:30:59
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| Yeah if you can find it on the internet for download, there's some frank solo stuff pre-pixies! |
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mun chien andalusia
= Quote Accumulator =
Italy
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Posted - 05/30/2003 : 06:18:03
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This is what i heard:Kim Deal wanted more space inside the band,like more of her songs in the albums and so on.She insisted by saying that the only hit of the band was Gigantic (true,it was the song who went higher on the charts)which must has been pretty annoying for Frank since the band was founded by him and he did most of the stuff.Anyway during the last period the popularity of the group went from bad to worse and the inside problems exploded to a final fight who made them brake up...It was pretty a heavy fight too,since Frank will not talk about it or sing Pixies songs for years after.The only question i have is why didn't they continue as Pixies since Santiago and Lovering remained friends?...
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Omer
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 05/30/2003 : 06:40:19
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No, no, no, no. According to the man himself in an interview from the time (the one is which he announced the Pixies were dead), it was because he was fed up with the excecutives who only wanted Pixies stuff and did not pay due attention to his solo record.
I guess that the low level of success, and increasing tension with Kim Deal had something to do with it - plus Frank's wish to play somewhat different types of music. |
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gracie
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
573 Posts |
Posted - 05/30/2003 : 06:54:15
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| i think there was creative tension between kim and frank. its clear from the music they both make now that they were moving in different directions. also kim had formed the breeders before the pixies got together and she released pod before the pixies split. |
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Broken Face
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USA
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Posted - 05/30/2003 : 07:20:42
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i've read something written by mr. eric drew feldmen where he said on the U2 tour each person in the band had their own transportation to/from shows and the only time the band was together was the 45 minutes on stage. i'm sure there was frank/kim tension, but i think it was severly played up by the media - its a convenient excuse to give. and according to mr. david lovering they all remain friendly. i also remember reading something about the four of them getting together for dinner over the summer last year (or something like that)...sometimes you just grow apart musically, and spending that much time together non-stop probably put pressure on their friendships at the time, but i'm sure now its all water under the bridge. not that they're going to reunite - i think most people would agree that would be a step backwards, and frank has said in numerous interviews that it wouldn't be true to what the pixies stood for. and i agree
sorry for the rant...
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frank_black_francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
895 Posts |
Posted - 05/30/2003 : 12:11:43
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| ...your rants are welcome and enjoyed....as far as i am concerned |
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mergzez7
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France
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Posted - 05/30/2003 : 13:02:56
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I read somewhere FB felt the Pixies were not the chemical mixture a band needs to be.
Didn't Kim go solo first?
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Cult_Of_Frank
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Canada
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Posted - 05/31/2003 : 02:06:52
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I don't know about first, but I think that she was also went Breeders before the Pixies were through. The writing was on the wall.
... and as much as we all say and agree that the Pixies shouldn't get back together, let's keep in perspective the fact that none of us would turn such a thing down if they were to do so - try to tell me you wouldn't go to that concert. |
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Omer
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 05/31/2003 : 03:19:30
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| I would not only go to THAT concert, I'd probably go to all of them. Or most of them. But they shouldn't make one anyway. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 05/31/2003 : 10:05:22
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mun chien andalusia
= Quote Accumulator =
Italy
2139 Posts |
Posted - 05/31/2003 : 20:07:16
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If Frank and Kim are so friends how come they never mention each other on their interviews?The so long expected musical completely ignores Kim so does the channel 4 documentary...Anyway i would by no means like to see the Pixies re-united...It would be like the doors or black sabbath reunions just to mention a couple...Fake as a 15 dollar bill....
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
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Posted - 06/01/2003 : 02:09:09
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It is strange how Kim has been ignored from the Channel 4 doc..... maybe she refused, or maybe she wasn't even asked, who knows.
War....... Its not fantastic |
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jo
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
516 Posts |
Posted - 06/01/2003 : 11:20:26
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Originally posted by Stuart
It is strange how Kim has been ignored from the Channel 4 doc.....
she wasn't ignored - they tried to make appointments, but sadly the time when the people making the documentary were in the US, and Kim's schedule, didn't allow a meet to happen
its as simple as that really! and when they tried to reschedule, it would have meant the doc missed the deadline, so it had to be done without Kim. |
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 06/01/2003 : 21:17:56
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Fairplay, it did seem odd that everyone but Kim was interviewed for the documentry.
War....... Its not fantastic |
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Brackish Girl
~ Soul Eater ~
Ireland
1750 Posts |
Posted - 06/02/2003 : 14:08:51
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oh, thats ok then. i thought is was a bit pissy of them to just leave her out. wasnt kim seen recently at a frank concert?
if anyone says anything negative about anybody i admire, i'll kick 'em in the taco.
and if all you see is violence, i'll make a plea, yeah, in my defence. |
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Jamie
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USA
110 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2003 : 03:32:19
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I doubt that there's one overriding reason for Frank breaking up the Pixies, that's just not how things work. I do think one of the reasons was how tough it would be to try and have a solo career with the spectre of the next Pixies album hanging over you all the time. Wasn’t the label's reaction to the first Frank Black album something like, "yeah, solo album, whatever, WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO DO THE NEXT PIXIES?"
Of course it didn’t quite work out that way, and now he has the mandatory Pixies reunion questions in every interview. That’s probably why he didn’t like talking about the Pixies for so long. It would get pretty annoying if you made a new album and all anyone wanted to talk about was the album you made five years ago. I’m just speculating though.
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RustyPiss
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/05/2003 : 07:40:21
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Kim And Kelly Deal worked together on the The Amps for a couple of years before The Breeders ever existed. Frank wrote and played solo stuff about the same time as The Amps wrote and performed. The Amps released an album first however... really good too might I add. Anywho lets be honest amongst ourselves here, Frank is a workaholic. He never stops. Just look He has an album released for almost every year since he split the Pixies. Frank, like Tom Waits and David Bowie, just can't stop creating and moulding his art. Kim, Joey and David just weren't able for Franks pace. There was a rumour that in the 2-3 years between Come On Pilgram and Dolittle the band had a brake for only 3 weeks away from each other and even then Frank came back with new material he wanted to record. Insane? but thats our Frank! Kim did become a serious alcoholic. Pressure from her record company, press, etc after the success of Cannonball got to her badly. Even during the Pixies days she was renouned for coming to gigs late and drunk (Hence the famous Frank smashing a guitar against her back rumour). After the Pixies 5 years flew by I think all the band members where tired; and Frank and Kim needed to release there own separate material.
Cheers...
RustyPiss
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jo
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
516 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2003 : 10:06:59
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| I thought that the Kim and Kelley early project was The Breeders, then Kim resurrected the name with Tanya (and David Narcizo on the demos, which changed into the Pod lineup, eventually), Tanya left, Kelley rejoined, they released their second album, Kelley had her problems so Kim formed Tammy and the Amps, later The Amps, they released Pacer, then eventually after Jim and Nate and the other chap had left, Kim regrouped The Breeders and Title TK happened with a few odd tracks in between.... |
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Chris Knight
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 06/05/2003 : 10:38:01
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Narcizo played drums on the Pod demos? Interesting.
Man, Rusty Piss, have you got your facts awry. For one thing, the rumor goes that Charles threw a guitar at Kim; he did NOT break one on Kim's back. |
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gracie
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
573 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2003 : 11:38:03
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| i don't think he would have broken it on her back- that would have really hurt. |
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Brackish Girl
~ Soul Eater ~
Ireland
1750 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2003 : 12:51:23
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david lovering was also part of the pod demos for the breeders, he worked the drum machine or something. jo is totally right, being from 4ad and all!
in your face, space coyote!! |
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blackpurse
= Cult of Ray =
USA
299 Posts |
Posted - 06/11/2003 : 10:35:02
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Originally posted by Brackish Girl
oh, thats ok then. i thought is was a bit pissy of them to just leave her out. wasnt kim seen recently at a frank concert?
if anyone says anything negative about anybody i admire, i'll kick 'em in the taco.
and if all you see is violence, i'll make a plea, yeah, in my defence.
Yeah, maybe, and as you know, I'm not president of Kim's fan club, but if you're going to do a documentary about the Pixies, it really is lame to not have Kim significantly profiled -- she did add a certail element to the band and I doubt that the Pixies would have been the Pixies without her, as one person said, if she wasn't crucial, they could have easily replaced her and gone on as the Pixies without repercussion.
I find it hard to believe, in this day and age of telecommunication, video conferencing, etc., that somehow they could not have set up an interview and still make it on deadline, and rolled tape. I agree that this does seem rather pissy. Somebody didn't try hard enough. |
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Brackish Girl
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Ireland
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Posted - 06/11/2003 : 11:32:28
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Originally posted by blackpurse
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Originally posted by Brackish Girl
oh, thats ok then. i thought is was a bit pissy of them to just leave her out. wasnt kim seen recently at a frank concert?
if anyone says anything negative about anybody i admire, i'll kick 'em in the taco.
and if all you see is violence, i'll make a plea, yeah, in my defence.
Yeah, maybe, and as you know, I'm not president of Kim's fan club, but if you're going to do a documentary about the Pixies, it really is lame to not have Kim significantly profiled -- she did add a certail element to the band and I doubt that the Pixies would have been the Pixies without her, as one person said, if she wasn't crucial, they could have easily replaced her and gone on as the Pixies without repercussion.
I find it hard to believe, in this day and age of telecommunication, video conferencing, etc., that somehow they could not have set up an interview and still make it on deadline, and rolled tape. I agree that this does seem rather pissy. Somebody didn't try hard enough.
indeed. i think i said that once(about firing her) but parhaps they could have just replaced rather than joining the jon spencer blues explosion fanclub.
in your face, space coyote!! |
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Derek Denim
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USA
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Posted - 06/11/2003 : 17:25:44
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Jo is right. Not to be mean but Rustypiss is way off. I didn't know that Dave N. was on the demos though, that's interesting.
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
5155 Posts |
Posted - 06/11/2003 : 17:44:31
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the amps came out WAY after the breeders
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jo
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
516 Posts |
Posted - 06/12/2003 : 01:12:58
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quote:
Originally posted by Derek Denim
I didn't know that Dave N. was on the demos though, that's interesting.
I could be wrong though, it was all from memory....
for some reason now I'm thinking more about it, were both Davids involved? Again, I could be wrong, or I could just be getting them mixed up, but for some reason I thought Narcizo more than Lovering...
and Blackpurse, there's a documentary being made on the Boston music scene, which I've heard Kim will be a part of. Your options just weren't feasable, budget permitting - it wasn't a huge great big budget production, and there were very strict deadlines to keep to... |
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Brackish Girl
~ Soul Eater ~
Ireland
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Posted - 06/12/2003 : 12:22:58
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yes, i think i sed dave lovering was involved earlier. dave n. played drums, dave l. played drum MACHINE.
in your face, space coyote!! |
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Derek Denim
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 06/16/2003 : 18:16:55
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I could be wrong though, it was all from memory....
for some reason now I'm thinking more about it, were both Davids involved? Again, I could be wrong, or I could just be getting them mixed up, but for some reason I thought Narcizo more than Lovering...
I have no idea. Both Dave's were on Tanya's album Underdogs, but other than that I am not sure if they were both on the demos. I think I will start a topic about this at the breeders site. Some one should know.
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Brackish Girl
~ Soul Eater ~
Ireland
1750 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2003 : 13:07:27
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i just said it DD! i'm right! listen to me!!!
in your face, space coyote!! |
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thecomeons
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/08/2003 : 06:33:35
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joe harvard has a great site on the boston rock scene. it's called boston in rock or something like that.
my manta is a ray |
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