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Perhaps
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133 Posts

Posted - 05/23/2003 :  13:52:26  Show Profile
Wondering what you folks take to be the better of the Frank Black songs that don't appear on any of his albums. For example, my personal favorite is Jewel (R. Gabrels, F. Black and D. Bowie - on the Gabrels CD).

fumanbru
* Dog in the Sand *

Canada
1462 Posts

Posted - 05/25/2003 :  00:40:14  Show Profile
my personal favorites:

1. pan american highway
2. coming into los angeles (cover)
3. mother popcorn (cover)
4. pray for the girls
5. big bang theory (with mike watt)
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Omer
= Cult of Ray =

275 Posts

Posted - 05/25/2003 :  07:05:52  Show Profile
I absolutely LOVE John the Revelator - one of Frank's best covers ever.
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Stuart
- The Clopser -

China
2291 Posts

Posted - 05/25/2003 :  18:04:02  Show Profile  Visit Stuart's Homepage
Pan American Highway is very very good, so is Pray for the Girls (if you can ignore the end part which is fucking annoying), and Sleep is also cool, but thats a cover I guess.

Ive got Big Bang Theory but didn't think too much about that one...

War....... Its Fantastic
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astroman
- FB Fan -

Portugal
84 Posts

Posted - 05/26/2003 :  15:18:57  Show Profile
I just love Baby thatīs art..nobody talks ever about this one, so simple, so beautiful . Angst is a little speddy candy,and pan american highway always put some tears in my heart, and yes Omer John the revelator is pretty strong live. And yap, pray for the girls, the sidepixiescartroonface of FB, and Stuart... my 3 year old sun lovesss the end...I got be a good father..I love it too :-)
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parker_airspace
- FB Fan -

United Kingdom
63 Posts

Posted - 05/26/2003 :  16:16:17  Show Profile  Click to see parker_airspace's MSN Messenger address
pan american...........wow thats a fine fine song.......i wish i could have a song not to use, left over and not on an album like that one.........

- was smashed head on by a giant truck :( - Chris
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vegan
- FB Fan -

USA
64 Posts

Posted - 05/26/2003 :  20:36:30  Show Profile
"pan american...........wow thats a fine fine song.......i wish i could have a song not to use, left over and not on an album like that one"

It blows my mind how prolific FB is. It's totally amazing that a song like PAH is an extra, an outcast from his huge catalogue of material.
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Spartacus
- FB Fan -

Australia
84 Posts

Posted - 05/27/2003 :  20:17:43  Show Profile
Announcement is awesome, just ahead of Pan American and Jewel. How Announcement was not conidered good enough for an album is beyond me.
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frank_black_francis
= Cult of Ray =

Canada
895 Posts

Posted - 05/28/2003 :  04:10:27  Show Profile  Visit frank_black_francis's Homepage
i like the instrumental version of 'bullet' on the "crime and punishment in suburbia soundtrack" (where there is also an interesting cover of 'where is my mind')...also, i've always liked 'chinese firedrill' on Watt's "ballhog or tug"
....'living this life, is like tryin' to learn spanish in a chinese firedrill'
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fumanbru
* Dog in the Sand *

Canada
1462 Posts

Posted - 05/28/2003 :  21:06:33  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by Spartacus

Announcement is awesome, just ahead of Pan American and Jewel. How Announcement was not conidered good enough for an album is beyond me.



how could i miss announcement. that's a fuckin great tune. god bless frank's soul. it is a true gift that frank's continually coming out with new material and he really makes an effort to take on new directions. can't wait for the new album.
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Jerk on Perks
- FB Fan -

Canada
28 Posts

Posted - 06/04/2003 :  16:37:41  Show Profile
I like Chinese Firedrill from Ballhog vs. Tugboat
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alfiw
- FB Fan -

25 Posts

Posted - 06/16/2003 :  13:36:14  Show Profile
PAH is my second favourite song of all the time (right after His Kingly Cave and pink floyd's echoes)
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ingersoll
- FB Fan -

USA
85 Posts

Posted - 06/16/2003 :  20:28:14  Show Profile
i absolutely love "man of steel". i heard it first on the x-files soundtrack, which im now embarrassed to admit i'd purchased for the sheryl crow song.



before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. that way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
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frank_black_francis
= Cult of Ray =

Canada
895 Posts

Posted - 06/16/2003 :  20:46:43  Show Profile  Visit frank_black_francis's Homepage
sheryl crow?....wow
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *

USA
1938 Posts

Posted - 06/16/2003 :  20:50:14  Show Profile
I have to say SSMVGD is a beautiful song (even though he didn't right it), and also Pray for the Girls
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-

USA
5155 Posts

Posted - 06/16/2003 :  23:42:12  Show Profile  Visit Broken Face's Homepage
i personally LOVE a lot of non-album tracks. my top 3:

1 - humboldt county massacre (either version)
2 - man of steel
3 - sunday sunny mill valley groove day

-brian
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Chip Away Boy
= Cult of Ray =

914 Posts

Posted - 06/22/2003 :  10:37:44  Show Profile
i can't seem to find Announcement
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fumanbru
* Dog in the Sand *

Canada
1462 Posts

Posted - 06/22/2003 :  14:02:18  Show Profile
it's on FB Oddballs.
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *

USA
1938 Posts

Posted - 06/22/2003 :  17:30:41  Show Profile
Is Living On Soul on any albums? If not that is definitely one of my favorites
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astroman
- FB Fan -

Portugal
84 Posts

Posted - 06/23/2003 :  02:31:19  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by NimrodsSon

Is Living On Soul on any albums? If not that is definitely one of my favorites



Nope. Living on soul is a b-side from All my ghosts. Fantastic song. FB also played that one in the Peel Seesions, and beliebe me is even better.
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Valhalla
- FB Fan -

Germany
80 Posts

Posted - 07/02/2003 :  11:57:31  Show Profile
My most favourite non-album song is "Pan Amercan Highway".
But I also like "CAN I GET A WITNESS" very much. There are 2 versions: One is on "Oddballs", the other one on the Bonus-CD for Cult of Ray. I wonder why this excellent song is mentioned so rarely !?
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =

USA
4020 Posts

Posted - 07/02/2003 :  12:38:38  Show Profile  Visit El Barto's Homepage
Can I Get A Witness is one of my least favorites. Both versions are the same unless I'm wrong...Oddballs is just a collection of B-Sides.
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Valhalla
- FB Fan -

Germany
80 Posts

Posted - 07/02/2003 :  13:06:40  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by El Barto

Can I Get A Witness is one of my least favorites. Both versions are the same unless I'm wrong...Oddballs is just a collection of B-Sides.



Personally I wish Frank would play more of this kind of songs. But it's just a matter of taste, everybody's music taste is different.
The version of "Can I get a Witness" on Oddballs is a "made over" version of the 4-Track Cult of Ray Bonus-CD. The latter version sounds more "straight".
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =

USA
4020 Posts

Posted - 07/02/2003 :  13:39:50  Show Profile  Visit El Barto's Homepage
But...is it the same recording? All the songs on Oddballs are remixed.
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miguel
- FB Fan -

USA
213 Posts

Posted - 07/02/2003 :  21:35:08  Show Profile  Visit miguel's Homepage
I got totally hooked on non album songs after I picked up the headache singles.
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Valhalla
- FB Fan -

Germany
80 Posts

Posted - 07/03/2003 :  08:56:55  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by El Barto

But...is it the same recording? All the songs on Oddballs are remixed.


The song is simply not 1:1 the same, there are slight differences in background, so probably it is a remix. The Oddballs version of "Can I get a Witness" has more synthesizer-effects in the background than the first version.
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =

USA
4020 Posts

Posted - 07/03/2003 :  13:32:00  Show Profile  Visit El Barto's Homepage
Ahh, I don't wanna go any further with this. I'm just wondering if it's the same recording. One can tell by comparing the length, vocals, and other aspects of the song to tell if it's the same recording or if it's a different recording. His Kingly Cave from DW and SSMVGD are obviously different recordings. The B-side of Announcement and the Oddballs Announcement are the same recording, with the latter being a remix.
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *

USA
2002 Posts

Posted - 07/06/2003 :  09:23:17  Show Profile
How come no one ever mentions SURF EPIC as the cosmic mother of DOG IN THE SAND? Strangely when I aquired DITS (on Cooking Vinyl 2 months ahead of US release) I was surprised when I got to the title track that it was simply an exhumation of SURF EPIC's hypnotic riff. I wasn't dissapointed...just surprised. And I never hear anyone touch on this subject. Maybe I'm just obsessed. But I always have had a soft spot for the very weird and over-baked Surf Epic! I also absolutely love HATE ME...it's hilarious and puts me in a happy mood whenever I hear it. Since were on the subject of exhuming souls of B-sides and restructuring them for album tracks, who here will concurr that HIS KINGLY CAVE sounds like a risen phoenix called ANNOUNCEMENT? Have always felt the latter was re-tooled to become the former. Anyway, would love to hear comments.

Catchin' blue in his eyes that were brown

-bRIAN
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Apesy
= Cult of Ray =

USA
411 Posts

Posted - 07/06/2003 :  12:00:01  Show Profile  Visit Apesy's Homepage
Hey! Nobody has yet to mention "Breathless", have they? Or "Duke of Earl"? "Man of Constant Sorrow"? "Changing of the Guards"?

Man, those are all gems.

-=Apesy
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =

USA
4020 Posts

Posted - 07/06/2003 :  14:22:29  Show Profile  Visit El Barto's Homepage
Breathless is excellent, yes. I spin it all the time.

---------
FRANK BLACK SATAN WORKSHIP BLACK MASS
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thecomeons
- FB Fan -

United Kingdom
60 Posts

Posted - 07/07/2003 :  03:32:33  Show Profile  Visit thecomeons's Homepage
you

leave me

breathless - ah!

my manta is a ray
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Perhaps
- FB Fan -

133 Posts

Posted - 07/07/2003 :  09:52:22  Show Profile
Breathless??? Where might that be found???

I also just realized this morning that VILLAGE OF THE SUN is a great tune.

There has been no other mention of the collaborations with Reeves Gabrels. JEWEL and 119 YEARS are both excellent. Must listens for all fans of FB.
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Bohemoth
- FB Fan -

USA
246 Posts

Posted - 07/07/2003 :  13:34:44  Show Profile
Some things - Angst
Dirty ol town - the pouges
Down in a hole - the stones
Don't clip your wings

these havent been mentioned
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *

USA
1772 Posts

Posted - 07/08/2003 :  14:32:58  Show Profile  Visit PsychicTwin's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by TRANSMARINE

Since were on the subject of exhuming souls of B-sides and restructuring them for album tracks, who here will concurr that HIS KINGLY CAVE sounds like a risen phoenix called ANNOUNCEMENT? Have always felt the latter was re-tooled to become the former.



Hmm....as hard as I am trying, I don't see the similarity here, Tranmariner. They are both different sounding, with different chords and different melodies, different structures, etc.

Both are awesome, awesome songs though. So I guess that makes them similar. In that vein, I guess FB has been ripping himself off for years now.
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =

Canada
3581 Posts

Posted - 07/08/2003 :  15:08:13  Show Profile
Agreed PTwin, the man is a totaly un-varied, one note artist. Everything is choice. How about a few crappy numbers to mix it up a little, Frank?
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *

USA
2002 Posts

Posted - 07/08/2003 :  17:38:10  Show Profile
PT and Speedy...I hope I didn't give the impression that I think Frank was ripping himself off...thats not what I was driving at. But with the case of Dog in the Sand and Surf Epic, there is a little more than just a hint of 're-interpreting' himself...which is NOT 'ripping-off'. I see a ghost of Announcement in His Kingly Cave...merely an observation, and was wondering if others feel this too. Going back to artists re-interpreting themselves, it's VERY common...and it is necessary. Look at Pete Townshend...the man is obssessed with his themes...look at Brian Wilson...the man is themed with obsession...look at N'Sync...the group is dead from non-recalibration...and it's SUCH a pity too! However, maybe my matting of Announcement and His Kingly Cave is the opening chord structure...I don't know...now I'm confused! Maybe I need re-interpretation!

Catchin' blue in his eyes that were brown

-bRIAN
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