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Stuart
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China
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 Posted - 06/13/2003 : 18:17:03
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Originally posted by jOb
The only thing we need protecting from is America!!!
And Britain under Tony Blair..... that damn Bushdicksuckinglapdog. If they don't find WMD then I hope Blair loses his seat in power and is held accountable for his lies.
War....... Its not fantastic |
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 06/13/2003 : 18:37:27
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Originally posted by Stuart
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Originally posted by jOb
The only thing we need protecting from is America!!!
And Britain under Tony Blair..... that damn Bushdicksuckinglapdog. If they don't find WMD then I hope Blair loses his seat in power and is held accountable for his lies.
The WMD could be anywhere, including other countries, and everybody knows it. Not only is there absolutely no evidence of any lies by Bush or Blair, anybody with any sense whatsoever knows Saddam was up to no good in this area. If you want lies, look to the shameless campaign being waged by the left ever since eyes turned to Afghanistan. Afghan winter, millions of Afghanis will die, Allies will suffer thousands dead, quagmire, missing museum treasures, and more to come most certainly. The opponents of these wars have shown only that they will shamelessly stoop to any level for political gain. Of course you don't have to worry about discrediting yourselves or your causes. You won't lose any of your core support because they share your conviction that truth is irrelevant. The modern left is right there with Stalin, Mao, Saddam, and all the other great liars of history, and you know that what I am saying is true. So let us just stipulate that you will lie about anything to further your own ends and leave it at that. |
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 06/14/2003 : 12:02:48
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Originally posted by PsychicTwin
I just hope that all you Europeans/Middle Easterners/Non-Americans realize that the views/actions of an arrogant, myopic, stupid president and his army of shit-shovelling, money-hungry sycophants don't reflect the sentiments of a whole lot of U.S. citizens.
It's very relieving to hear this...
I'm glad. Let the truth be known! |
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thalassocrat
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
46 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2003 : 18:47:35
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It is very sad/amusing/intersting/boring to see how not even a Frank Black topic on a Frank Black site can't help degenerate into an "help me save the world form evil America" vs "fuck the world 'cos I am American" desperate struggle. Although myself quite vocal on this matter this really is not the place to denigrate into it. People forget that besides the usual points of high life given to the world by US, such as trade blockade, healthy fast-food diet, Friends and the occasional showers of bombs, one other American product is music and the finest embodiment of this is FB. One genius against 200 million-odd morons more than tips the balance for me.
PS: Wouldn't it be a real fun world if Dennis the Penis ruled America? The hypocryt-expose could have very simply got rid of Saddam by making fun of his moustache causing an embarassmet-induced heart attack.
they speak vaudevillian... |
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mergzez7
- FB Fan -
France
166 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2003 : 05:08:11
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Erebus : good dog.
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remig
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1734 Posts |
Posted - 06/30/2003 : 13:20:35
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Originally posted by Stuart
Ive been to plenty of gigs where the opening band get unnecessary shit from the crowd.
Don't worry french FB fans will be there enough to make more noise.
"Possession of anything new or expensive only reflected a person's lack of theology and geometry" |
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Scarla O
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
947 Posts |
Posted - 07/01/2003 : 01:34:47
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Erebus, I think you need to check your history alittle. The biggest state sponsor of terrorism in the world is the US. It's well known that Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld amongst others had been planning to go back into Iraq years prior to the latest war and that September the 11th gave them the excuse they needed.
You mention Afghanistan...and asides from the USSR invading it last century I don't see what your point is? Why were people sent to Afghanistan? Where did the majority of Al Qaida come from? Saudi. The US promised that it wouldn't fight in Afghanistan without picking up the pieces afterwards but the only place aid goes to is Kabul.
The US has sponsored death-squads and fascist dictators in a large proportion of Central and Latin America, they have armed undemocratic regimes in Africa, the Middle East and have left a legacy of their self-interested policy in the far east. As soon as a country acts in a way that is to the detriment of US commercial policy, history has shown over and over again that the US will step in to restore the equillibrium - there is no altruism here, just self-interest.
WMD? Try cluster bombs and daisy-cutters...you don't get an awful lot more destructive than that. Rogue states with nuclear weapons? When an Israeli scientist revealed that they had such weapons he was kidnapped and imprisoned.
I'm sure you will disagree with just about everything I have to say, but why not try reading some Noam Chomsky or John Pilger? Listen to Bill Hicks maybe...It's all there just waiting for you. I'll hapiily read something you recommend. |
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 07/01/2003 : 11:29:50
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Originally posted by Scarla O
Erebus, I think you need to check your history alittle. [snip]
Scarla, you're right in that I pretty much disagree, and where I don't disagree I usually have little problem with the case as you've described it. For example, I'm glad Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld were planning to return to Iraq.
Soldiers were sent to Afghanistan because the Taliban provided refuge and support for Al Qaida. Al Qaida must go, so the Taliban must go. Can't say much about the post-war aid. Clearly it's going to be difficult to effect the kind of cultural change that would allow Afghanistan to move beyond the intertribal conflict that provided such fertile ground for the Taliban and their friends. Without such profound change it is unlikely the aid will go where it is intended. Only so much can be accomplished by working "with the grain" of a society. And when that society overflows its boundaries by facilitating such as 9/11, then we have no choice but to work across or against the grain.
I agree that the US has been consistently shortsighted in it's dealings with developing peoples. By opting for immediate results we have turned the people against us for the long-term. It would have served our own self-interest better to have been more patient and prescient. However, I cannot help wondering about the condition of the world had the US done little and thereby permitted a power vacuum that would have been welcomed by even more heinously aggressive parties such as the indigenous tyrants, European colonizers and later the Soviet Union. Whatever its faults, the US seems to me to have been one of the less ruthless imperial regimes in history. What would the world be like had not the US engaged in the behavior you condemn? It is clear to me that the state of the world would be a thousand times worse, for almost everybody except the true imperialists that would have happily taken our place.
Cluster bombs are weapons of war, where the object is to defeat the enemy. Nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons are far worse, especially for noncombatants. 'Nuff sed.
I'm concerned that if things ratchet up much more the US will feel forced to take truly drastic action. To this point we have tried to abide by the Geneva and other conventions, as well as to appease international public opinion. However, if we continue to face enemies who attack from ambulances, from mosques, from behind flags of surrender, and from within a nation that has welcomed them as immigrants and citizens, we will have to choose between quitting the battle and escalating it. In previous history the imperialists have not been so squeamish about mass casualties and if we have another 9/11 you may see the rise of logic like "Kill them all and let Allah sort them out". I'm not advocating it but it's not impossible.
I've watched hours and hours of Chomsky lectures and interviews, mostly on C-SPAN, and have found him to be certifiably insane. Brilliant, entertaining, and sincere, but insane. I could suggest some reading but I fear the gap we share has more to do with fundamental disagreement on just what constitutes human nature than it does over just what are the facts. I'm afraid I reluctantly agree with Machiavelli, Hobbes, and Schopenhauer regarding the human condition.
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Scarla O
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/02/2003 : 00:55:06
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Nice response Erebus, we'll just have to agree to disagree. |
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