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jo
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
516 Posts |
 Posted - 05/14/2003 : 10:23:12
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just a quick note, the upcoming Pixies reissues in the US, that are coming out via 4ad, are nnot remastered.
Apparently places like Amazon, who we directly link to are saying they are.. oh dear.
the only difference is that the albums now come in a clear tray, with a nice colour underneath, as opposed to the old grey trays
so just to clarify if anyone asks, they are DEFINITELY not remastered! |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 05/14/2003 : 10:51:25
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1772 Posts |
Posted - 05/14/2003 : 14:36:38
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Isn't it a serious misrepresentation of the product for Amazon to claim they are re-mastered when they are in fact NOT? That strikes me as really messed up.
And, yeah, why DIDN'T they remaster them? That certainly would warrant a reissue far more than just an insignificant repackaging of the albums. Pretty retarded. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 05/14/2003 : 15:27:46
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i don't see any reason to re-master at all.. they're perfect as they are. but i totally agree, Amazon is f'd up and i'd guess, verging on illegal here. it's false advertizement.
forget "remastering".. just give us more extras.. outtakes, previously unreleased etc.. |
Edited by - floop on 05/14/2003 15:35:28 |
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1772 Posts |
Posted - 05/14/2003 : 15:54:47
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Well, they are good as is. But I certainly wouldn't mind a "louder" sounding Surfer Rosa or a less "compressionized" Bossanova....
I suppose its kind of shaky ground though, since tastes do vary... |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 05/14/2003 : 16:58:52
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i think there are times to remaster and times not to. with Pixies CD's i really don't see any need. do we really need a remastered version of Doolittle? it's already a perfect album. how can you remaster a perfect album? you're only going to fuck it up.
it's not like the CD's were done that long ago either.. i can see remastering stuff from way back when, when there's a arguably SIGNIFICANT improvement that can be made. i just don't see how much of a difference it would make in this case .. and the other question is, who would do the remastering? if Frank actually oversaw everything, with Steve Albini.. and together they agreed that they'd like to change stuff.. then great. but if it's just a marketing ploy to sell more albums for 4AD, and they get a couple of techie audio people to futz with already, in my opinion, perfect albums.. then it's kind of fucked up i think .
remastering is great for old movies with outdated sound specs.. or for films that are literally deteroriating, and they go in and digitally salvage things (like they did with Alfred Hitchcock's VERTIGO).. otherwise, if they're not broken, let them exist as the artifacts that they are.
(having said all that, i'd still be curious to hear them.. but i don't think i'd buy them).. |
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
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Posted - 05/14/2003 : 17:50:51
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They could have at least reissued them with Pixies stickers and temporary tattoos included in the packaging. Then it would be like opening a box of Cracker Jack.
Or how 'bout include a Pixies guitar pick with Bossanova, or a 4' by 4' poster of the Surfer Rosa cover with that album. We could all use pixies shirts too, so have a cheap t-shirt offer with Doolittle.
C'mon 4AD! Use your noggens and maybe people would actually have reason to buy the albums again. I only have a CD-R of Trompe Le Monde, but if they had a "Free Trompe Le Monde Glow-in-the-dark Underwear!" offer maybe I'd think about buying the reissue.
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Sheamus
= Cult of Ray =
Australia
345 Posts |
Posted - 05/14/2003 : 23:27:02
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| All that is really happening is that the label that releases the albums in the US is changing. It is hardly even a "re-issue". |
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Sheamus
= Cult of Ray =
Australia
345 Posts |
Posted - 05/14/2003 : 23:27:42
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| That said, I guess we all crave for Pixies underwear evey now and then ^_^ |
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jo
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
516 Posts |
Posted - 05/15/2003 : 03:16:45
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as Sheamus says, its not a big deal, its not to get people to buy the albums again. The remasters were rejected, sadly. I've said about this before, but we (me and steve in backcat) spent an afternoon comparing the remastered cd and the standard cd to the vinyl versions of all the albums, and the remasters matched the vinyl, a lot more than the standard cd's. Sadly, they were rejected, so they wont happen.
Its not being done to rip anyone off, its more, Elektra can't sell the albums in the US any more, so who is? well 4ad obviously, because they now have the rights. Also available for the first time, is the b-sides album, which Elektra didn't release. To follow later in the year is the much promised DVD, which will (hopefully) have more of the rare stuff people here crave...
I don't know where Amazon got their information from - probably secondary sources, and we're trying to get it sorted so they amend it, but in the meantime, there will be people who think they are remastered, and pre-order it - we're just trying to spread the word that its not the case at all.
One thing that may or may not appeal, because we've also got the rights back to the Cocteau Twins backcat in the US, there's a sampler being made to help promote the albums, get stores reordering from the right place, etc etc etc. I don't have any info on it yet, nor how easily available it will be, but look out for it - it should feature a track from each album. I wont be getting copies to sell from 4ad though... this will be a US only sampler. |
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benji
> Teenager of the Year <
New Zealand
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Posted - 05/15/2003 : 14:19:41
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well how about doing a sneaky and leaking the remastered version....
cause i'd sure as hell be interested in hearing it.
and any reason why the remeastered versions were rejected?
money?
stupidity? |
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Little Black Francis
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 05/16/2003 : 11:03:58
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I'd like to hear the remastered CDs, it does bother me a little how much more quiet pixies CDs are than new ones.
But I don't have the money at the moment to buy all the pixies cds again.
I'm cool with what I've got.
Although funny, those are still some good ideas Derek.
werd
"Snooch to the muthaf**kin Nooch" |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 05/16/2003 : 12:47:34
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| Hey Jo - you say they were rejected..who was the rejector? |
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1772 Posts |
Posted - 05/16/2003 : 12:55:20
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I just read the Rolling Stone "review" (if you could even call it that) of the re-released Pixies albums....and OF COURSE i came across the ever-so-hackneyed mention of Kurt Cobain somewhere in there. I'm getting mighty tired of that crap! Can't a journalist/critic/reviewer convey the band's artistic merit without having to name-drop Cobain 9 out of 10 fucking times???
Sorry, just blowing off some steam.....bored at work |
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Little Black Francis
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 05/17/2003 : 04:09:04
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wered psy-chic
"Snooch to the muthaf**kin Nooch" |
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2003 : 17:18:34
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| I'm with you Psychic Twin, oddly enough I posted about the previous time Rolling Stone reviewed Doolittle for their hall of fame (oddly then, they only gave it 4 stars) and Kurt Cobain showed up in the first sentence of that one...at least in this one he only showed up halfway through. |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2003 : 18:16:55
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Frank Black.net - Kurt Cobain's favorite message board. |
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The Holiday Son
= Quote Accumulator =
France
2010 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2003 : 04:09:58
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave Noisy
Frank Black.net - Kurt Cobain's favorite message board.
lol
you should put this on the main page! |
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mdisanto
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 05/18/2003 : 06:18:20
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Originally posted by Itchload
I'm with you Psychic Twin, oddly enough I posted about the previous time Rolling Stone reviewed Doolittle for their hall of fame (oddly then, they only gave it 4 stars) and Kurt Cobain showed up in the first sentence of that one...at least in this one he only showed up halfway through.
thats funny, the reissue got 5 stars in the latest issue. maybe they thought it was remastered becuase they bought their copy off amazon and tricked themselves into thinking it sounded better.
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MattLx70
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Posted - 05/20/2003 : 20:28:00
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| So I bought all the U.S. reissues wanting remastered CDs. I have 6 on the way and have "Complete B-Sides" in hand. I was wondering how to tell if they're remastered. Rolling Stone said they were all to be remastered by John Dent, but I couldn't find any mention of this on the packaging. And I also couldn't find any 2003 date to indicate that anything was different. SO FINALLY HERE'S WHAT I DID FIND: It comes with a clear tray... and in the liner notes it says "Remastered by John Dent at Loud". I have to admit that I haven't upgraded from my crappy cassettes and really wouldn't know how to tell I have the reissues, let alone remastered versions. So all you fans who have older copies of the U.S. "Complete 'B' Sides", does the inside liner notes indicate "Remastered by John Dent at Loud"? If that doesn't do it, does anyone know how to confirm you have the 5/20/03 reissue? Thanks, Matt |
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 05/20/2003 : 22:28:23
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| Rolling Stone is a bunch of wimps. When Doolittle first came out, they only gave it 3.5 stars. They only give new 5 star reviews to old dinosaurs who release good albums in their elderly years. Of course, they just gave the new White STripes 5 stars, probably to make up for all their mediocre reviews for indie rock albums that over time became classics |
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jo
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
516 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2003 : 02:51:51
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| MattLx70, they're NOT remastered. It looks like the credit in the booklet was "one that got away" because the remasters were rejected. The versions you have are the standard releases with nothing extra, like I said at the top of this thread. |
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MattLx70
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Posted - 05/21/2003 : 03:25:52
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| Yeah... So my real question is how do you know you bought the reissues (even though they're not remastered)? If the liner notes say "Remastered by John Dent at Loud", then that's an error... but it does denote that you got the reissue? Or is easier, and if it comes with a clear tray, you got the reissue? |
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jo
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
516 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2003 : 04:32:28
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| you have the reissue if they're on 4ad, with clear tray, with catalogue numbers with the prefix GAD and no Elektra logos anywhere. |
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benji
> Teenager of the Year <
New Zealand
3426 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2003 : 05:10:41
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i find it astonishing that 4AD forgot to remove the "remastered by John Dent" bit.....
i hate to say it, but that is very very poor.
it would be ok if it wasn't something important, but to say they're remastered in the booklet when in fact they aren't, to me, seems a monumental fuck-up. |
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jo
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
516 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2003 : 08:03:00
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I don't know the full story, I have some bits of the artwork here, and they don't have it on - I've only checked Surfer Rosa, but I'm scouring around for the rest. (Steve in backcat is in the NY office at the moment)
I think there's worse monumental fuck ups that could be done... a lot worse... this is only a few words that someone somewhere messed up on... I'm gonna find out whether this batch will be corrected in time |
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jo
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
516 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2003 : 08:44:42
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ok ok ok, I misread the original email (blame workload, I do). Here's the reply from backcat in NY :)
" I've seen all the reprint artwork and it's FINE. The only one that says "remastered by John Dent at Loud" is B sides which, of course, was! "
so sorry my mistake before, but everything is fine - the only remastered one is the B-sides, as it was for the UK version. Shall I just shut up now :)
oh and the B-sides album was never released in the US before now - if there were copies knocking around, they were probably UK or Canada imports. |
Edited by - jo on 05/21/2003 08:49:44 |
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