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Doryphore
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Belgium
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 Posted - 04/17/2003 : 03:48:46
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I'm doing a little reading on these theories, you know, that the moon landing was fake and all. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
This is rather interesting:
http://www.redzero.demon.co.uk/moonhoax/
couple of reactions against the hoax theory... |
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 04/17/2003 : 07:27:05
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| Heh, interesting. I've never really bought into that whole idea (the government is a bunch of scumbags, but a lie of that magnitude would just be unimaginable to me!)...I'm going to take a look at this link nonetheless. I'm curious. |
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marcusb
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 04/17/2003 : 07:40:16
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| I don't buy it because if it were true countries like Russia would be all over it. |
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BrendanT
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
907 Posts |
Posted - 04/17/2003 : 10:55:00
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Why has no one else landed on it. And why has no one gone back?!
Strummer-man
I had me a vision!
Buttercup! Bubbles! Let's go! |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 04/17/2003 : 11:26:03
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| I thought they had been back to the moon, but I don't pretend to know much about the space program. Pretty sure it's real, though - there's a lot of evidence to ignore, including evidence of the landing site, the fact that moon rocks have been brought back and confirmed to have come from the moon, and a lot of the theories that 'prove' we've never been there are in blatant contradiction to what has already been stated. But it does make for fun conspiracy theory. |
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 04/17/2003 : 11:32:51
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| I think we should blow up the moon. |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 04/17/2003 : 12:30:04
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I'm not really in favor of the space program. I think it's a big waste of time and money..
Like, really, what good is it to the average person if we can fly a ship to the moon or Mars? What good is it to anyone, at that?
There's a lot to discover and work on right here on Terra-Central, let's put more energy into launching people out of starvation and getting people places to live here, rather than in space.
Sure, it's gonna be important one day to be able to leave this planet, but we've got several billion years to prep for that.
My two cents.. |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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Posted - 04/17/2003 : 12:32:00
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| Amen Dave. |
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 04/17/2003 : 12:41:25
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| Yeah I agree with dave except for the fact that the sattelites and all that shit are definitely helpful, but launching people up there or just going to explore or whatever the hell they do up there is completely pointless |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 04/17/2003 : 12:44:07
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I think that it's important to know a little bit about our immediate surroundings... plus the space program drives so much of the tech sector which we all love for, you know, the ability to post on this forum and see it from anywhere in the world, etc. It's second only to the military, and I'd much rather see tech. driven by Space exploration than military.
What needs to be done is to update our oh-so-obsolete methods of getting into space in the first place: launching an enormous ship with tonnes of fuel straight up is not the most efficient way to do things. Secondly, it's about time that we abandon this really dangerous fuel in the first place and REALLY do some research into alternatives. That would make things cheaper, safer, and would provide benefits to us, the average shmoes, a lot sooner.
The one thing that we will see in the next 30 years (by my humble predictions) are civilian flights that get into the upper atmosphere/lower space and make it possible to fully circle the globe in 3 hours or so. And then all those flights back and forth from London won't be so tedious for Frank Black. (yes, I'm aware that 30 years is a long time and FB probably will hate planes even more by then, much less planes that achieve a low orbit, if he's even touring at all by then, but... we can always dream). :) |
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
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Posted - 04/17/2003 : 18:40:32
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It could well be a big cover up as before that time the Russians were in the lead in terms of the space race (and it was frightening the shit out of the Yanks). The Russians had put the first Satellite in space, and the first man in space.... and all this was showing the world that the communists were beating the capitalists, which must have worried quite a number of people in the halls of power. Khruschev was certainly in a position to wave the 'wanker' sign at the Americans during the early days of the space race.
So, I reckon its well feasible that its been covered up, anything is possible with the American government, afterall, isn't there rumoured government cover ups related to the Kennedy assasination.
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peter radiator
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 04/17/2003 : 21:37:06
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Originally posted by BrendanT
Why has no one else landed on it. And why has no one gone back?!
Strummer-man
I had me a vision!
Buttercup! Bubbles! Let's go!
The hoax is real: there is no moon.
~ Peter Radiator
"Real music is out there and real people are making it." ~ Webb Wilder |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
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Posted - 04/17/2003 : 23:53:22
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NASA drives technology? Naaah..
I think the Porn industry has done more for modern tech than the space program. =P |
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Doryphore
- FB Fan -
Belgium
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Posted - 04/18/2003 : 00:43:20
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Given the global political situation and the American government being not the most integer, I think a moon landing is far from improbable to have been set up... Gagarin & co. (right?) indeed must've scared the shit out of America. But then if you consider the technological evidence (mirror reflecting lasers, moon rock, satellite photos of shuttle landing site) in favour of a landing, I think you have to say it's true. It would be too big to bribe scientists/governments/etc. right?
Dave, I know what you mean and I would agree. But I think taking care of Terra-Central is only partly a matter of money. The problems in the world are in my opinion mostly caused by power hunger, selfishness (??), misorganization, misunderstanding, thinking solely in economic terms, ...
On the other hand, that all goes for the large-scale problem. On small-scale money can and will do good. But are people/organizations capable of properly processing the kind of money now used for space programs??
I think the space program is quite wonderful. Exploring Outer Space is, for me, the ultimate sign of civilization. Of course there's a lot of nasty things involved, but how many people in the history of mankind must've wondered: will we ever be able to travel to that silver plate in the sky?
OK, I'm starting to ramble... |
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Visiting Sasquatch
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 04/18/2003 : 08:21:01
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| I wonder where we'd be without modern physics??? We learned so much about ourselves by studying space! |
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 04/18/2003 : 08:46:44
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Space is of immense importance to me. I have a tremendous interest in space and I think exploration of our universe is the only direction in which science and humanity can expand in both a physical and metaphysical sense. What is unthinkable today might not be so improbable in a few decades, or a century.
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 04/18/2003 : 10:36:23
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| I believe in space, definitely. I really can't imagine us just turning a blind eye to advancing our knowledge of what's out there and staying strictly on earth. It seems so much like fearing to sail across the ocean for fear of falling off the edge of the world - so limited and ... well, I don't know how to say it, but imagine a view of the earth from somewhere a million kilometres or so past the moon, with all the stars and planets in full view, and then imagine the view telescoping inward, with all those shimmering stars and nebulae and comets streaking by and everything just fading to black so all you can see is one lonely planet and its moon off in the distance. Abstract, yes, but that's how the thought of not trying to explore space makes me feel. |
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ProverbialCereal
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Posted - 04/18/2003 : 12:06:05
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Who knows, the cure for cancer could be some edible rock on Pluto. I think exploration of space is a bit insane to think about because it's so vaste, but we can't say it's a pointless mission because who knows what new things mankind will discover in the process.
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
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Posted - 04/18/2003 : 12:16:32
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While i didn't say that we shouldn't, ever, look to the stars and start sending people into space (there will come a time, about 6 billion years from now, where it will be essential), but for now it's exceedingly superfluous to spend time and energy on sending people into space at this point in time.
I'm guessing VS is being sarcastic, i don't recall what we've really learned about ourselves or this planet from people being in space. (Note, i'm specific with people - there's clear uses to sending communication satellites and the like up there..)
I think more time and energy should be put into keeping people alive and healthy here on the planet before space. |
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
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Posted - 04/18/2003 : 18:13:04
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| ... and what if research conducted in space by people leads to the development of new vaccines or new surgical techniques which helps people on earth? what if by going out into space we learn more about our solar system, our galaxy and the universe and in that way we learn more about ourselves and where we come from? what if we go out there and meet new species and different races of beings to share life and knowledge with? there are six billion people on the planet earth, what if none of them, now or in our past, had ever asked "what if"? where would we be? |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
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Posted - 04/18/2003 : 20:51:41
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I think those questions can be examined, but i don't think they're useful in our species progression at this point.
As for research and surgical procedures, i don't know why it would be any more beneficial to do this 500km off the surface of the planet..?
And vaccines won't feed hungry people or prevent heart disease and cancer, which are the major 'plagues' at this point. |
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Visiting Sasquatch
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 04/18/2003 : 21:15:37
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We have enough food to feed the planet numerous times over. The problem with keeping people alive and healthy has nothing to do with money, but much more to do with political corruption, proper distribution, simple hygiene, etc...
I wish I knew more about physics to start detailing how space travel has progressed mankind, but I don't. However, physics is integral to EVERYTHING in the universe, including ourselves and our own physical laws...heck, the scientists are looking for the "theory of everything", something Einstein couldn't even achieve. I'm sure we wouldn't be half as advanced, (which is elementary when compared to our vast universe), if we hadn't gone to space. There's LOTS we can learn about ourselves from studying space. Even that factoid about people needing to leave earth 6 billion years from now originated from studying the sun.
This guy can explain everything I don't know about the subject. If I had a second chance on this earth, I'd be a physicist. |
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Broken Face
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USA
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Posted - 04/19/2003 : 07:21:26
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although the space program at times can be useful, i don't know why we harp on the same things, like the moon, for so long. maybe i'm just ignorant to the processes that go on in space, but we've orbited the earth how many times? however, some good technology, like modern plastics, velcro, and the delicious astronaut ice cream have come out of the space program, so maybe its not all bad...
-Brian
as breathing flows my mind secedes... |
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mereubu
= FB QuizMistress =
USA
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Posted - 04/19/2003 : 08:28:32
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| And who could forget M&Ms and Astroglide lube? Hooray for space! |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
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Posted - 04/19/2003 : 10:59:11
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| Astroglide came from space? cool. |
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mereubu
= FB QuizMistress =
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Posted - 04/19/2003 : 11:02:28
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| Yeah, it was supposed to help get the astronauts get into their suits (whatever!) but was quickly discovered to have more entertaining uses. |
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blarg007
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Posted - 05/02/2003 : 10:59:28
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they blew up the moon on the Mr. show didn't they??
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Wade
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Posted - 05/09/2003 : 10:38:14
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I thought it might be time to point out (unless it's already come up and i just missed it) that there was a Hollywood Movie that entertained the very concept of this thread. It was long ago, 70's i think, and it was called "Capricorn One". That said, I think it's obvious to most people that if we had not actually gone to the moon, that by now we would know about it.
I support space exploration, I think that it will be much sooner than "billions of years" that we'll need to entertain the concept of stretching out into space in a more explorational or even permanent sense... I am also not a scientist, but I do know that there are many things that research in the pristine weightless environment of space helps to progress.... medicine, and many of them are in the interest of "helping people on earth". Think what a development in something like "anti-gravity" would do for so many things on earth...
That being said, are we doing the right things all the time with every dollar spent? Who knows... I do think that an organization such as NASA must realize that for them to continue to be viewed as a viable place for which funds to continue being contributed, that they must strive to achieve something of human relevance through all their efforts.
Just my two cents.
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blackpurse
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 05/09/2003 : 13:10:38
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
I believe in space, definitely. I really can't imagine us just turning a blind eye to advancing our knowledge of what's out there and staying strictly on earth. It seems so much like fearing to sail across the ocean for fear of falling off the edge of the world - so limited and ... well, I don't know how to say it, but imagine a view of the earth from somewhere a million kilometres or so past the moon, with all the stars and planets in full view, and then imagine the view telescoping inward, with all those shimmering stars and nebulae and comets streaking by and everything just fading to black so all you can see is one lonely planet and its moon off in the distance. Abstract, yes, but that's how the thought of not trying to explore space makes me feel.
I agree. I used to work in the ORSP (office of researcha and sponsored programs) at Marquette University, and I saw hundreds of protocols for research that depended on information gathered by manned space flights. The scientist at MU whose paperwork I handled has contributed MUCH to the fields of muscular development which has benefited victims of muscular dystrophy, and cystic fibrosis, and much of his data was gathered by studying things in prolonged zero gravity that can't be accomplished in terrestial simulated environments. I'm also aware that similar advances have been made in physics and stuff by the sheer act of getting those guys on the moon, etc, but I'm not aware of the details because I didn't handle the paperowrk. But I don't beleive there's just a PR thing, the stuff that we've learned is just so way over my head (as well as a good portion of the population's) that's its difficult to put a good PR spin on it that your typical non-scientist would find relevant wihttout doing a lot of reading.
My point: you can simuylate simulate simulate conditions till you're blue in the face, but it means nothing till you've proved it in a live environment.
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 05/09/2003 : 13:41:41
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| Someone finally agreeing with me and even quoting me... I feel honoured. Especially that it's BP. :) |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 05/09/2003 : 14:35:01
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I think M&M's were invented for WW II to keep the chocolate from melting.
I support space exploration, but alot of it in my opinion is just publicity stunts. We've learned far more about the universe from unmanned probes and the Hubble telescope than from astronauts. However, a mission to Mars might have some really benefits. |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
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Posted - 05/09/2003 : 19:34:18
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| I don't trust chocolate that doesn't melt... |
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mereubu
= FB QuizMistress =
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Posted - 05/09/2003 : 19:43:28
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Oh, it melts, but as the slogan says, "in your mouth, not in your hands."
Eww. That sounds bad out of context.
Anyway, perfectly normal milk chocolate under a candy shell. Thanks, NASA! |
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St. Francis
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Posted - 05/09/2003 : 21:30:12
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Originally posted by Dave Noisy
I'm not really in favor of the space program. I think it's a big waste of time and money..
Like, really, what good is it to the average person if we can fly a ship to the moon or Mars? What good is it to anyone, at that?
There's a lot to discover and work on right here on Terra-Central, let's put more energy into launching people out of starvation and getting people places to live here, rather than in space.
Sure, it's gonna be important one day to be able to leave this planet, but we've got several billion years to prep for that.
My two cents..
Word Up
I think realistically space travel would be impossible without settling things out completely on the earth first anyway. Prior to requesitioning the resourses needed to deal with the problem of space travel various human and social resources would have to be aligned. Because the undertaking would be so huge global stability would be necessary and that wouldn't come from corporatization but humanism
Once stability was reached and exploration was plausible we could make huge strives. Setting out on a common goal like this as a planet by using all resources available or rather alocated, both metal and physical, would be amazing. I would also feel more comfortable exporting the Human race if we sorted our shit here first...
In a dreaming mood tonight... just a thought |
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Doryphore
- FB Fan -
Belgium
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Posted - 05/10/2003 : 06:11:30
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| They're gonna send a spacecraft to Mars which will play Blur's Bugman (from the excellent cd '13')... Pretty neat, huh? |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 05/10/2003 : 08:00:48
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Originally posted by mereubu
Oh, it melts, but as the slogan says, "in your mouth, not in your hands."
Eww. That sounds bad out of context.
Anyway, perfectly normal milk chocolate under a candy shell. Thanks, NASA!
Nope. After some googling, they were invented in the 40's after the guy saw soldiers during the Spanish Civil War eating chocolate covered with hard sugar. GI's ate them during WW II
http://global.mms.com/us/about/history/index.jsp
If we want to see things that came out of NASA we may want to look at new materials and computers, but I bet far more has come out of the military. |
Edited by - darwin on 05/10/2003 08:02:44 |
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