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carsonwerner
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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 Posted - 03/25/2003 : 18:46:20
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| The problem I have with these debates is either the lack of research or use of statistics that don't necessarily mean anything. While, more Americans died from friendly fire than other causes, we don't really know how that holds up to the other side or other battles. I mean, our friendly fire casualties could be really low on a relative level. Not that I can back that up, just something to think about. |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 03/26/2003 : 09:20:21
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Statistics? Here's some about Rape and Sexual Abuse and Violence in the United States.
From http://www.feminist.com/rainn.htm
A National Shame
Recent statistics show that rape is still all too prevalent in America.
* Somewhere in America, a woman is raped every 2 minutes, according to the U.S. Department of Justice.
* In 1996, 307,000 women were the victim of rape, attempted rape or sexual assault. [National Crime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice, 1997.]
* Between 1995 and 1996, more than 670,000 women were the victim of rape, attempted rape or sexual assault. [National Crime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice, 1997.]
Silent Victims
One of the most startling aspects of sex crimes is how many go unreported. The most common reasons given by women for not reporting these crimes are the belief that it is a private or personal matter and that they fear reprisal from the assailant.
* In 1996, only 31% of rapes and sexual assaults were reported to law enforcement officials - less than one in every three. [National Crime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice, 1997.]
* Approximately 68% of rape victims knew their assailant. [Violence against Women. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Dept. of Justice, 1994]
* Approximately 28% of victims are raped by husbands or boyfriends, 35% by acquaintances, and 5% by other relatives. [Violence against Women. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Dept. of Justice, 1994]
Living In Fear
According to the U.S. Department of Justice:
[All statistics are taken from: Violence against Women, Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Dept. of Justice, 1994.]
* One of every four rapes take place in a public area or in a parking garage.
* 29% of female victims reported that the offender was a stranger.
* 68% of rapes occur between the hours of 6 p.m. and 6 a.m.
* At least 45% of rapists were under the influence of alcohol or drugs.
* In 29% of rapes, the offender used a weapon.
* In 47% of rapes, the victim sustained injuries other than rape injuries.
* 75% of female rape victims require medical care after the attack.
Not Just a Family Matter
Family violence and abuse are among the most prevalent forms of interpersonal violence against women and young children - both boys and girls. The sexual abuse of a child should never be "just a family matter," but many children are afraid to report an incident to the police because the abuser is often a family friend or relative.
* In 1995, local child protective service agencies identified 126,000 children who were victims of either substantiated or indicated sexual abuse; of these, 75% were girls. Nearly 30% of child victims were between the ages of 4 and 7. [Department of Health and Human Services, Administration for Children and Families, Child Maltreatment, 1995.]
* Approximately one-third of all juvenile victims of sexual abuse cases are children younger than 6 years of age. [Violence and the Family. Report of the American Psychological Association Presidential Task Force on Violence and the Family, 1996.]
* According to the Justice Department, one in two rape victims is under age 18; one in six is under age 12. [Child Rape Victims, 1992. U.S. Department of Justice.]
Face Of America
* About 81% of rape victims are white; 18% are black; 1% are of other races. [Violence against Women, Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Dept. of Justice, 1994.]
* While 9 out of 10 rape victims are women, men and boys are also victimized by this crime. In 1995, 32,130 males age 12 and older were victims of rape, attempted rape or sexual assault. [National Crime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice, 1996.]
* Teens 16 to 19 were three and one-half times more likely than the general population to be victims of rape, attempted rape or sexual assault. [National Crime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice, 1996.]
* Those with a household income under $7,500 were twice as likely as the general population to be victims of a sexual assault. [National Crime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice, 1996.] |
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mdisanto
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1140 Posts |
Posted - 03/26/2003 : 09:42:30
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i dont understand the point, i think he was talking about statistics for your reasons against war and weapons and all that. the statistics about rape dont really mean anything to this argument starting over napalm. regardless becuase people in america rape other people, doesnt mean America is evil. especially considering the things done to people in Iraq for example that is committed by the government itself. Its like saying becuase Saddam is evil, all the Iraqi's are evil.
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carsonwerner
= Cult of Ray =
USA
254 Posts |
Posted - 03/26/2003 : 16:57:08
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| Yeah I wasn't defending any particular stance, but I was just referencing the use of war stats. |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 03/26/2003 : 23:10:57
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Well, one point in making Iraq a 'bad place' is because sexual abuse happens there, but it's still a very prominant problem in the US.
One more example of how they don't have their own shit together, and thus have no hope of 'fixing' it for anyone else. |
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mdisanto
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1140 Posts |
Posted - 03/27/2003 : 04:03:46
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well again the difference is the government commits these crimes in Iraq, and sexual abuse is the most tame of them frankly. did you read the SI article about saddams son? he tortures sports players in the country who dont win, one of the star soccer play was tied up and drug on concrete and then through sand to get sand in the wounds and then dumped in a vat of raw sewage to infect the wounds. him and a few others manage to escape and tell about it. thats the government right there doing that. we may not have our shit together but they are in a completely different world
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 03/27/2003 : 12:18:57
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Umm..i know what you're saying Mike, but please, never use 'tame' and 'sexual abuse' in the same context. No victim of sexual abuse will ever let you get away with explaining it that way, and you invalidate what sexual abuse is with a statement like that.
Degrading rape from the horror it is to being 'less worse' than something else is part of the problem that makes it so common.
I don't think it's useful to describe it as 'less worse'. It is a different kind of horror and pain. Not really less 'worse' however.
A rape occurs every 2 minutes in the US, and 300,000 of their troops are busy killing innocent people in Iraq. Brilliant. |
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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
USA
725 Posts |
Posted - 03/27/2003 : 12:39:21
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2 Completely different points here. We all agree rape is a horrible crime.
Iraq uses rape as a policy to deal with dissenters. The civilized world attempts to capture and punish rapists severely. Using US rape statistics as a moral equivilant to what Saddam is doing is illogical.
If one had rape statistics from the Iraqi population, and then compared it to stats from the US or other countries, then you might have a comparison for debate. It would be a debate that has no linkage whatsoever to the current war, but, at least you would have a debate.
Did I mention I am against rape? |
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mdisanto
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1140 Posts |
Posted - 03/27/2003 : 13:25:00
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"A rape occurs every 2 minutes in the US, and 300,000 of their troops are busy killing innocent people in Iraq. Brilliant. "
daveeeeee saddam kills more than us, its jsut the way it is, its not a good thing to kill innocent civilians but were doing the most we can to avoid it and still help them at the same time. wed be killing more by not doing anything effectively. if theres just one reason why i support this war, its becuase im sick of everyone waiting for something to happen before you attempt to fix the situation. not every policy should be written in blood.
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 03/27/2003 : 15:10:47
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Originally posted by Dave Noisy
A rape occurs every 2 minutes in the US, and 300,000 of their troops are busy killing innocent people in Iraq. Brilliant.
If the American military were "busy" killing innocent people, they'd be done already. The only hope Saddam & Co have is that we'll continue to try to avoid civilian casualties.
Almost all that the left throws at America and Bush has absolutely nothing to do with the war. You don't debate the left. Instead you spend all your time disputing their contentions and their priorities. The left couldn't care less whether their arguments and facts hold up to even minimal scrutiny. It's the ends, not the means, right? They're going to ram their version of social justice down our throats, and if it costs them their personal honor and integrity, so be it. What need does the leftist have for a myth such as honor? |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 03/27/2003 : 23:23:47
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At least the left have something to say and stand for. All the right does is whine and complain with nothing useful to contribute.
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mdisanto
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 03/28/2003 : 21:03:23
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It sucks that Iraqi forces are doing this. It really does.
And it sucks that the US and UK decided to invade Iraq and encourage this behaviour.
Once again, if peaceful options were sought, this wouldn't be happening.
Americans and British people wouldn't have died, and neither would Iraqi's.
War is a fucking stupid waste. |
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mdisanto
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 03/29/2003 : 07:16:59
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i understand your point, but i was trying to show how crazy saddam and his government is and its not like they only do crazy things during war. if they have this little of regard for their citizens during a time where they are supposed to be defending their national pride or whatever, then its pretty likely that even during times of peace they act in ways like this. so all im trying to say is that by removing saddam and accepting unfortunate losses like this on both sides, safety in times of peace for the iraqis could be secured.
and i promised myself i wouldnt reply to any more of these:(
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 03/29/2003 : 19:04:40
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Just like the safety of Afghanistan and all the other countries the US 'liberated'.
I'm hopeful, but i'm also doubtful. |
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