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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
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Atheist4Catholics
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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 Posted - 02/06/2003 : 20:32:32
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Time to become Amish methinks.
In a few decades, we'll all be riding buggies anyway because the US will wait until the very last drop of oil is gone before it admits there's a problem.
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 02/06/2003 : 20:44:28
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Originally posted by Atheist4Catholics
Time to become Amish methinks.
In a few decades, we'll all be riding buggies anyway because the US will wait until the very last drop of oil is gone before it admits there's a problem.
www.mp3.com/clootie
You know, it was like,
THE GENERALS - let's wait till they're just dumb enough that over half of them don't vote, wait till they are the fattest nation on the planet, to the point that they are slugs and just want to be taken care of....then attack and make tons of money off of war.
US GOVT - But how will we know when it's right...we need a sign.....
THE GENERALS - When Joe Millionaire is the highest rated show on TV. You know the one, where everybody is lying to everyone else. When that goes through the roof, baby, that's the time. And why don't we make a certain date in February the date to send Saddam a "Valentine". We're through fucking around with you. We want the world and we want it.....now............NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.
We want that mother fucking oil. Give it to us.
POW PUH POW POW PUH PUH POW POW
"Winter blows through my coat"
the what four http://www.mp3.com/phelan |
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bazza
* Dog in the Sand *
Ireland
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Posted - 02/07/2003 : 05:53:28
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thanks for going to the trouble dave. interesting reading.
There may be no 'I' in team, but there's a 'ME' if you look hard enough. |
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mun chien andalusia
= Quote Accumulator =
Italy
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Posted - 02/08/2003 : 02:52:56
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Well the world is really a strange place.Here are two things i read on the paper this morning:
1 The U.S Army is testing a new vehicle with a hybrid gas-hydrogen motor that offers a 2000km autonomy(that's rome-paris allès-retour without refueling!).It seems that it really works and the army is preparing an order for 300.000 units.This order is opening the way for a civilian use of hydrogen as it will reduce costs of research and mass production(general motors is about to present a civilian prototype sometime this spring).That would make war on Iraq kind of useless don't you think?
2 President Bush gave the green light for a maxi-investement of 1,350 billion u.s dollars for research and production of a computerized system that will handle the tactical nuclear arsenal(the so-called small bombs).This software should be able to automatically calculate parametres like enemy damage,collateral damage(civilian deaths),fallout course,water and air contamination etc,and then decide if use the nukes or not by itself with no human interference whatsoever.It reminds me of the Skynet in Terminator that started the war against mankind...
Being this war useless what's the point of making it?I suppose that since big cheese generals don't want to end unemployed and economy is going down why not save both by boosting war-type economy investing on the army.Hitler did the same thing after W.W 1 and it worked...
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sand in the dog
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Posted - 02/08/2003 : 09:08:47
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That's nice...but Bush is still an evil dumb-ass.
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thermoplastics
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Posted - 02/08/2003 : 18:52:44
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Originally posted by Atheist4Catholics
Time to become Amish methinks.
In a few decades, we'll all be riding buggies anyway because the US will wait until the very last drop of oil is gone before it admits there's a problem.
www.mp3.com/clootie
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
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Posted - 02/08/2003 : 21:32:29
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| I think the funniest thing about the hydro-fueled cars is when Bush announced it during the state of the union. He said it would "eliminate the need for foreign sources of energy." I found that hilarious, like he's trying to throw us off...we know the truth. We know most, if not all, of his riches come from oil. |
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theonecontender
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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Posted - 02/08/2003 : 23:43:28
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What's wrong with taking oil from an evil dictator?
It's better the money goes to capitalists (who tend to invest it) than to building and upkeeping another decadent palace for an ugly worthless prick. Just because the US brass may lie about their true motives, it does not mean that the action is itself a terrible thing. I know it's fun to look for an excuse to hate the establishment, but let's go with the money people... It helps the entire world to have lower oil prices (sell more oil) - not just faceless corporate oil baron types. The quiker the world runs out of oil/natural sources of energy, the greater the incentive to develop these futuristic cars or whatever.
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Atheist4Catholics
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 02/09/2003 : 00:21:33
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Originally posted by theonecontender
What's wrong with taking oil from an evil dictator?
It's better the money goes to capitalists (who tend to invest it) than to building and upkeeping another decadent palace for an ugly worthless prick. Just because the US brass may lie about their true motives, it does not mean that the action is itself a terrible thing. I know it's fun to look for an excuse to hate the establishment, but let's go with the money people... It helps the entire world to have lower oil prices (sell more oil) - not just faceless corporate oil baron types. The quiker the world runs out of oil/natural sources of energy, the greater the incentive to develop these futuristic cars or whatever.
1c speaks
I think risking people's lives for money or oil is not a good thing.
I also think that all oil (foreign or domestic, drilled or "acquired") is bad news. Why wait until all the oil is gone, Alaska is gone, and many third world countries raped and pillaged, not to mention the environment ruined, before we decide to seriously look into energy alternatives? I think the hydrogen fueled engine is a good start, but so far producing the hydrogen is very expensive and also worse for the environment than burning oil. They'll probably figure out a better way soon. For now, I say buy the hybrids. Some of them run really well! The gas kicks in when you need to accelerate or go uphill and the front is so small that it turns on a dime. I just wish I wasn't doomed to drive a mini-van to transport equipment to gigs. Maybe someday I'll drive a hybrid mini-van . . . Anyhow, enough granola loving for today . . .
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theonecontender
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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Posted - 02/09/2003 : 09:01:36
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War will save lives in the long run. Iraq is a very poor country with a brutal illiteracy race, infant mortality, and overall life expectancy (and this is compared to other middle east and impoverished countries). This isn't even mentioning the murders that are committed by every leftist's favorite dictator..
See the stats for yourself:
http://www.worldbank.org/cgi-bin/sendoff.cgi?page=%2Fdata%2Fcountrydata%2Faag%2Firq_aag.pdf
Unfortunately there isn't an index for deaths from dictatorial rule.
Remember people, it's very convenient that we live in a rich and free country and are able to stand up and defend a murderous dictator... but that doesn't mean that we should. We should stand up for the freedom of the Iraqi people and get a little grease as a bonus (which happens to benefit everyone). We can even say that lives lost during the war (on both side) are in the name of freedom and human betterment. History will see them as blind martyrs.
Just another possible position on all this sheight.. Not that there aren't enough of em or something.
1c
And please don't buy this "we're going to run out of resources and all die" story. It's been argued to death since the time of Malthus (18th c), and especially during the opec crisis (see the whole Club of Rome fiasco which proclaimed that we should all be starving and poor by now - and people believed them!!).. I just can believe that people still think that Man is dumb enough to let that happen. Let's have some self-confidence. |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
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Posted - 02/09/2003 : 14:59:26
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Burning oil (and extracting it) is bad for the environment. Period. The sooner we stop doing this, the sooner the planets' environment can return back to 'normal' (ie, not so much extreme heat and cold).
A really cool option i read about was using energy gained from solar collectors to power the hydrogen processing.
At least Japan is moving in the right direction, if you have any $$ to invest, look into the companies in Japan who are developing solar technology. In five years they will be absolutely dominating the market. They've already got bylaws requiring certain buildings to have solar collectors, etc. and are really pushing in this direction.
The human species' connection to oil is like a teenager still breast feeding.
1c - there have been so many examples of 'mans' inability to contain or properly manage our greed throughout our entire history that i think it's laughable to think we should give ourselves any credit as a whole. I can appreciate your optimisism tho. |
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Visiting Sasquatch
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 02/09/2003 : 17:07:36
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Originally posted by theonecontender
This isn't even mentioning the murders that are committed by every leftist's favorite dictator..
Hehe...this is the funniest thing I've ever read! I suppose Hitler was the rightist's favorite murderous dictator?
Anyway, I hate hippies as much as the next guy, but we totally have to get away from oil, for all the obvious environmental reasons, and then for the bonus political reasons! I hate oil tycoon Hussein as much as I hate oil tycoon Bush! I only wish Nader would switch to the Democratic Party, so that he actually has a chance to win, and straighten up American policies! |
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theonecontender
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Posted - 02/09/2003 : 17:44:21
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Originally posted by Visiting Sasquatch
Hehe...this is the funniest thing I've ever read! I suppose Hitler was the rightist's favorite murderous dictator?
To be clear, the right stands for freedom and against all forms of totalitarian rule. The best potential leader I've seen in my life is Jesse 'the body' Ventura. He speaks for truth and against one man's control over another - which is a good thing.
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Thomas
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 02/09/2003 : 19:30:53
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Originally posted by theonecontender
the greater the incentive to develop these futuristic cars or whatever.
1c speaks
The Flying Car by Kevin Smith
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cheshireycat
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USA
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Posted - 03/12/2003 : 00:30:59
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you know what? war sucks, but sometimes it's just necessary. if we don't kill hussein, the man is just going to blow us up. he helped fund 9-11 and if the rest of the world still feels sorry for him if we bomb him, i don't think any american really should. we gave him a couple of chances and i think the only thing he should be able to do to save his life is freaking resign.
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Steak n Sabre
* Dog in the Sand *
Uzbekistan
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Posted - 03/12/2003 : 11:36:47
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Listen to 'Let's Have a War' by Fear. Lee Ving's got most of the reasons for war in his lyric.
What happened to the good old days when Congress had to declare war, not the media??? |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
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Posted - 03/12/2003 : 12:54:20
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Shit, cheshirey, you just put a big target on your back. First off, who's saying this war is going to "kill Hussein." Wasn't the point of obliterating Afghanistan to get Bin Laden? How did that turn out?
Secondly, do you have proof or evidence that Saddam helped fund 9/11? I can tell you that the United States gave the Taliban $43 million on May 17, 2001 for destroying their opium crops (http://www.sumeria.net/politics/binladen.html). The media tying Iraq/Saddam to 9/11 is blatent propaganda, and it's sad that America isn't smart enough to see right through it.
Thirdly, why shouldn't any American feel bad that we're bombing Iraq? There are innocent civilians...human beings there. Can you possibly imagine how many will die if we do as we plan, which is drop 3,000 bombs on them in the first 48 hours? For fucks sake man, that's just barbaric. |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
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Posted - 03/12/2003 : 20:51:32
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| Well said Jim. |
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cheshireycat
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Posted - 03/13/2003 : 00:13:40
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Ok, about the "kill Hussein" part, that's just the way I speak sometimes. I really just want to get across that I really feel that guy needs to get out of power.
For me, the favorable situation is that he obviously just steps out of power, but that's not likely to happen. I know that killing innocent people seriously sucks, but it's either us or them. No one is nuclear bombing my nephews or my future kids if I can avoid it now. Call me barbaric, but I'm just being human. Plus, from the mouths of many people who left Iraq, the people want freedom from him. I don't know how far the real truth to that goes, but I haven't heard a single ex-Iraqi say the opposite.
Anyway, I obviously don't have any CIA contacts, but not long after 9-11, it was announced that the (partial or whole, i don't know) Iraqi government knew about 9-11 before it happened and that they funded a good amount of it. America may have given Afghanistan money, but the difference is that it didn't have the same intent behind it, obviously.
Either way, the reason I think that war may be necessary here has nothing to do with 9-11. Bin Laden or no Bin Laden, I think Hussein has had his time. 9-11 is a terrible thing, but for me, it's a whole different issue. Hussein has indisputably shown that he isn't at all trustable, and I think that if he has shown that, plus the fact that he has also shown the fact that he is in search of nuclear weapons and other very dangerous weapons, there needs to be a stop put to him. It's not about being righteous about it, it's not a moral thing for me, and I don't think you should get so emotional about something and reject claims that have already been established. It's about self protection and prevention of things that could, possibly, even end the world as we know it. I don't care if the entire world turns against us, which I know is close enough to happening, I know it and people like Tony Blair know it, that it really comes down to not allowing hell to happen.
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theonecontender
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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Posted - 03/13/2003 : 01:44:28
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The Flying Car by Kevin Smith
Thomas
"Our love is rice and beans and horses lard"
That video is wicked funny. And those guys like hockey as well. I guarantee you that Sadam is NOT a hockey fan, that bastard.
1c
By the way, the Leafs are gonna win the cup - 2003.
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