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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
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 Posted - 01/23/2003 : 11:50:37
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Does Frank do the vocals at the same time as the music is recorded?
"Winter blows through my coat"
the what four http://www.mp3.com/phelan |
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default
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 01/23/2003 : 12:08:09
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hmmm...
let's think about this.
what part of LIVE do you not understand? it wouldn't be very LIVE if he didn't record the vocals at the same time. |
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mdisanto
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1140 Posts |
Posted - 01/23/2003 : 12:19:32
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well hes probably asking becuase, atleast in my experience its pretty hard to record it all live, so ive recorded the band playing the music live and then overdubbed vocals. without isolation (which we didnt have) the vocal mics picked up all the other stuff and it became a big problem. not a crazy question i guess.
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1602 Posts |
Posted - 01/23/2003 : 13:25:40
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Default,
So, great intro to the forum. You instantly want to be regarded as a smart ass.
I realize that there was a possibility that the vocals were recorded at the same time. As that is the case, I am even more amazed at the Catholics ability and the failure of the mainstream music press to, as they said back in the day, "recognize".
I know about recording. I have been in plenty of sessions and have done vocals but have never done it the way that FB&TC do it. I just find it very very cool, that they can get it to sound as good as it does, Frank can play and give such amazing vocal performances all at the same time.
That's what led me to wonder if the vocals weren't done on top to get a more controlled environment.
How do you think they get it seperated so well? What do they use to eliminate bleed into the vocal mic?
If anyone wants to shed more light on that aspect of it...I want to know.
If you want to be a smart ass, don't post. Or at least, have some more posts under your belt and identify yourself as a smart ass. Then you won't look like such a dumb ass, Default.
"Winter blows through my coat"
the what four http://www.mp3.com/phelan |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts |
Posted - 01/23/2003 : 14:38:32
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| Why so grumpy, default? |
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Chris Knight
= Cult of Ray =
USA
899 Posts |
Posted - 01/23/2003 : 15:13:49
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| Good one, BLT. Picking noises are very audible in places on Pistolero, I've noticed. |
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Atheist4Catholics
= Cult of Ray =
USA
925 Posts |
Posted - 01/23/2003 : 16:03:04
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How do you think they get it seperated so well? What do they use to eliminate bleed into the vocal mic?
If anyone wants to shed more light on that aspect of it...I want to know.
If you want to be a smart ass, don't post. Or at least, have some more posts under your belt and identify yourself as a smart ass. Then you won't look like such a dumb ass, Default.
Frank is probably in his own isolation booth. Actually, every amp or live instrument is probably in it's own room because drum bleed is the biggest problem. As for bleed from Frank's guitar to his vocal mic, you can hear some. His guitar often has a high frequency pick-scrapping sound to it that comes from bleeding into his vocal mic. Of course if he's playing electric it's not a big deal, otherwise you just work around it or you try to use a microphone that has a very short range and angle it up slightly, away from the guitar and have Frank sing up close to it. I noticed on Dog in the Sand when he lists the musicians for each song, that Frank doesn't play guitar on I'll Be Blue and If It Takes All Night. I think it's probably because those songs are harder to sing and he wanted to be able to concentrate more. There are probably more live to 2 songs he doesn't play guitar on, does anyone know?
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default
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 01/23/2003 : 16:26:18
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Originally posted by the swimmer
Default,
So, great intro to the forum. You instantly want to be regarded as a smart ass.
I realize that there was a possibility that the vocals were recorded at the same time. As that is the case, I am even more amazed at the Catholics ability and the failure of the mainstream music press to, as they said back in the day, "recognize".
I know about recording. I have been in plenty of sessions and have done vocals but have never done it the way that FB&TC do it. I just find it very very cool, that they can get it to sound as good as it does, Frank can play and give such amazing vocal performances all at the same time.
That's what led me to wonder if the vocals weren't done on top to get a more controlled environment.
How do you think they get it seperated so well? What do they use to eliminate bleed into the vocal mic?
If anyone wants to shed more light on that aspect of it...I want to know.
If you want to be a smart ass, don't post. Or at least, have some more posts under your belt and identify yourself as a smart ass. Then you won't look like such a dumb ass, Default.
"Winter blows through my coat"
the what four http://www.mp3.com/phelan
swimmer,
face it. you asked a stupid question. luckily you had me to point out the fact that you have down syndrome so that you were forced to rephrase the question and people could actually understand what you were trying to ask.
no worries.
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Chris Knight
= Cult of Ray =
USA
899 Posts |
Posted - 01/23/2003 : 16:57:35
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| Anyone who actually has Down syndrome is obviously deserving of public flogging as well as this type of verbal propaganda. |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 01/23/2003 : 21:09:18
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Aye Default, that's bad taste.
Why are people so damn insensitive?? |
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default
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 01/24/2003 : 06:47:42
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Originally posted by Dave Noisy
Aye Default, that's bad taste.
Why are people so damn insensitive??
my apologies to all in the forum. the name calling was a response to the swimmer's challenge to become the board's smart ass. i'm sure you've all read his "I have Down Syndrome" thread, so he was the first to be so damn insensitve.
the swimmer is better described as jackass. he asks stupid question that he already knows the answer to, then gets all riled up when when people shit on him. |
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1602 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2003 : 07:37:45
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What the fuck ever.
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Jose Jones
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1758 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2003 : 11:05:39
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i think default is funny. swimmer is annoying.
stirring the water...
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1602 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2003 : 12:39:53
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Originally posted by Jose Jones
i think default is funny. swimmer is annoying.
stirring the water...
-dan
Why? |
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1602 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2003 : 12:42:57
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On second thought. Who gives a fuck.
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2003 : 12:52:38
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he does the constanants live but the vowels are overdubbed later on.
true story. |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2003 : 12:54:20
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quote:
Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
he does the constanants live but the vowels are overdubbed later on.
HILARIOUS!!! hahahah |
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default
- FB Fan -
15 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2003 : 12:55:24
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Originally posted by the swimmer
What the fuck ever.
the swimmer's post before he edited it:
__________________________________________________
What the fuck ever.
I asked the question cuz I already knew the answer? I
asked the question because I didn't know how the
vocals were done at the same time IF they were done at
the same time.
How come every time I post I have to answer to
dumbfucks like yourself?
Not once would you ever EVER have the fucking balls to
respond this way in a face to face situation. That's
the great thing about the internet for little fucking
pussy asses like yourself.
Fuck trying to be adult about it anymore. I would
fucking rip this guys lung out through his fucking
throat if he would come and have tea with me sometime.
I would honestly smack you until you shit your
training pants.
Keep talking you little fucking bitch. You change your
name to be fucking rude. You are too chicken to use
your fake name.
Then you fucking go after me about a post I wrote in
response to someone who was calling me a retard?
Fuck you chicken shit piece of crap. I have no need to
be the Forum Smart Ass. I don't care if you think this
is the stupidest post ever. You and all your fucking
buddies are chicken shit bitches who have no fucking
use outside of thinking of dipshit things to say on
the forum.
Fuck off, go away, don't post on a topic you want to
pull down, and shut the fuck up unless you want
somebody to show you how.
Now let's hear your smart ass reply....I'm sure it
will be the cleverest thing ever and we will all fall
about kissing your pussy ass.
Goatfucker.
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2003 : 12:59:51
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zuh? change your name? is he suggesting that default is me?
no way, d00d. i'm way more creative than that. w3rd.
ps-
i wonder what it would sound like if someone tried to record it that way? for instance:
w nt r bl ws thr gh m c t t's ch ll ng m b n s b t t d s n t c mp r t r c ld h rt f st n
i e o ou y oa i i i y o e u i oe o o a e o you o ea o o e
hahah... you'd have to record it the right way, then try to just make the vowel and constant sounds separately. i bet if you got it pretty close it would sound bizarre. like where TMBG recorded vocals backwards but they were saying the stuff backwards too so it came out 'right' but it sounded fucked up.
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SwitchtYOU
- FB Fan -
USA
30 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2003 : 13:12:36
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quote:
Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
zuh? change your name? is he suggesting that default is me?
no way, d00d. i'm way more creative than that. w3rd.
ps-
i wonder what it would sound like if someone tried to record it that way? for instance:
w nt r bl ws thr gh m c t t's ch ll ng m b n s b t t d s n t c mp r t r c ld h rt f st n
i e o ou y oa i i i y o e u i oe o o a e o you o ea o o e
hahah... you'd have to record it the right way, then try to just make the vowel and constant sounds separately. i bet if you got it pretty close it would sound bizarre. like where TMBG recorded vocals backwards but they were saying the stuff backwards too so it came out 'right' but it sounded fucked up.
Radiohead did the TMBG thing too. i wonder who did it first. |
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1602 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2003 : 13:23:25
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quote:
Originally posted by default
quote:
Originally posted by the swimmer
What the fuck ever.
the swimmer's post before he edited it:
__________________________________________________
What the fuck ever.
I asked the question cuz I already knew the answer? I
asked the question because I didn't know how the
vocals were done at the same time IF they were done at
the same time.
How come every time I post I have to answer to
dumbfucks like yourself?
Not once would you ever EVER have the fucking balls to
respond this way in a face to face situation. That's
the great thing about the internet for little fucking
pussy asses like yourself.
Fuck trying to be adult about it anymore. I would
fucking rip this guys lung out through his fucking
throat if he would come and have tea with me sometime.
I would honestly smack you until you shit your
training pants.
Keep talking you little fucking bitch. You change your
name to be fucking rude. You are too chicken to use
your fake name.
Then you fucking go after me about a post I wrote in
response to someone who was calling me a retard?
Fuck you chicken shit piece of crap. I have no need to
be the Forum Smart Ass. I don't care if you think this
is the stupidest post ever. You and all your fucking
buddies are chicken shit bitches who have no fucking
use outside of thinking of dipshit things to say on
the forum.
Fuck off, go away, don't post on a topic you want to
pull down, and shut the fuck up unless you want
somebody to show you how.
Now let's hear your smart ass reply....I'm sure it
will be the cleverest thing ever and we will all fall
about kissing your pussy ass.
Goatfucker.
And I hope you liked it too, Goatfucker. |
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1602 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2003 : 13:25:07
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But what, no clever response? No more fuel for the fire?
You are a pussy. Just like I said. |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2003 : 13:26:30
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quote:
Originally posted by SwitchtYOU
Radiohead did the TMBG thing too. i wonder who did it first.
well, on their first album, TMBG did a fake-talking-backwards-thingy on 'Hide Away Folk Family' but it wasn't what i'm describing, they just tried to sing like they were talking backwards.
i think, and i could be remembering wrong because my brain is not working that well today, they did what i described on 'Subliminal' off 'John Henry', which came out in '94. so unless radiohead did it on 'Pablo Honey', TMBG did it first.
(edit: now that i think about it might have been a song on apollo 18, i'm not sure now. :P ) |
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1602 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2003 : 13:37:25
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quote:
Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
quote:
Originally posted by SwitchtYOU
Radiohead did the TMBG thing too. i wonder who did it first.
well, on their first album, TMBG did a fake-talking-backwards-thingy on 'Hide Away Folk Family' but it wasn't what i'm describing, they just tried to sing like they were talking backwards.
i think, and i could be remembering wrong because my brain is not working that well today, they did what i described on 'Subliminal' off 'John Henry', which came out in '94. so unless radiohead did it on 'Pablo Honey', TMBG did it first.
(edit: now that i think about it might have been a song on apollo 18, i'm not sure now. :P )
It was Apollo 18, the song was Dinnerbell.
"Shoulder, Bicep, Elbow, Arm
Forearm, Thumb, wrist, Knuckle, Palm,
Middle, pinky, index ring,
Dinner Bell, Dinner Bell, ding." |
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default
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 01/24/2003 : 13:52:47
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quote:
Originally posted by the swimmer
What the fuck ever.
is that a quote from the movie clueless?
quote:
Originally posted by the swimmer
I asked the question cuz I already knew the answer? I
asked the question because I didn't know how the
vocals were done at the same time IF they were done at
the same time.
you titled the thread "Live to 2 track vocal." you already know its live, so how could the vocals be recorded at a different time?
quote:
Originally posted by the swimmer
How come every time I post I have to answer to
dumbfucks like yourself?
because you're a moron.
quote:
Originally posted by the swimmer
Not once would you ever EVER have the fucking balls to
respond this way in a face to face situation.
that is true. i think you're insane.
quote:
Originally posted by the swimmer
That's the great thing about the internet for little fucking pussy asses like yourself.
yep.
quote:
Originally posted by the swimmer
Fuck trying to be adult about it anymore. I would
fucking rip this guys lung out through his fucking
throat if he would come and have tea with me sometime.
you're crazy. its just a post on a message board.
quote:
Originally posted by the swimmer
I would honestly smack you until you shit your
training pants.
good one.
quote:
Originally posted by the swimmer
Keep talking you little fucking bitch. You change your
name to be fucking rude. You are too chicken to use
your fake name.
huh?
quote:
Originally posted by the swimmer
Then you fucking go after me about a post I wrote in
response to someone who was calling me a retard?
yes.
quote:
Originally posted by the swimmer
Fuck you chicken shit piece of crap. I have no need to
be the Forum Smart Ass. I don't care if you think this
is the stupidest post ever.
it seems like you kinda care.
quote:
Originally posted by the swimmer
You and all your fucking
buddies are chicken shit bitches who have no fucking
use outside of thinking of dipshit things to say on
the forum.
yep.
quote:
Originally posted by the swimmer
Fuck off, go away, don't post on a topic you want to
pull down, and shut the fuck up unless you want
somebody to show you how.
show me how?
quote:
Originally posted by the swimmer
Now let's hear your smart ass reply....I'm sure it
will be the cleverest thing ever and we will all fall
about kissing your pussy ass.
ok.
quote:
Originally posted by the swimmer
Goatfucker.
hehe |
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1602 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2003 : 13:58:30
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I'm fine with that. As long as we agree.
"Winter blows through my coat"
the what four http://www.mp3.com/phelan |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2003 : 16:20:08
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quote:
well, on their first album, TMBG did a fake-talking-backwards-thingy on 'Hide Away Folk Family' but it wasn't what i'm describing, they just tried to sing like they were talking backwards.
i think, and i could be remembering wrong because my brain is not working that well today, they did what i described on 'Subliminal' off 'John Henry', which came out in '94.
"Subliminal" has a backwards section at the end, but it's just the previous part of the song reversed. Apollo 18 came out in 1992.
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2003 : 20:01:23
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yeah i know the last couple seconds of subliminal are the previous few seconds reversed. i think that there's a backing vocal that's reverse-reversed, though.
well i tried looking it up and i can't find the blurb that i originally read. anyway, it's probably the part swimmer's referring to. |
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johndietzel
= Cult of Ray =
Burkina Faso (Upper Volta)
464 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2003 : 20:32:27
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quote:
Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
he does the constanants live but the vowels are overdubbed later on.
true story.
EbbV has been quite hilarious lately. Ebb, are you in love or something?
On TMBG: I heard this radio interview in which John F. sings "Smells Like Teen Spirit" by request, and he basically sings the verses in the backwards voice cause he doesn't know the words. It's pretty funny and good cause John L. plays the chords on his accordian.
Ebb's post here reminded me of how I also dig on "32 Footsteps" how they do the consonants "bing bang bing-along, cing cang cing-along, ding dang ding-along d . . . " I can't believe I never noticed on my own--my wife pointed it out.
Damn, TMBG is good. It's kinda funny how many people liked TMBG before Frank even "discovered" 'em. It's kinda strange to think that Frank heard Flood and was totally blown away. Just didn't fit my impression of Frank's M.O. with music appreciation. Perhaps it fits under melodic and lyrical coolness, which TMBG has in oodles.
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2003 : 11:11:45
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linell of course played sax on 'Frank Black', and you can tell. he has a signature style ;) |
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Atheist4Catholics
= Cult of Ray =
USA
925 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2003 : 21:09:58
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If the Radiohead thing you're referring to is on "Everything in it's right place", that's actually just backwards reverb. You flip the tape (or audio file) so it plays backwards and then record a reverb track. When you play everything forwards again, the reverb creeps in before the vocal making it sound really eerie.
I heard that TMBG did a song backwards live at the hatch shell in Boston and it sounded really convincing.
I did hear them do a live fade out of a song when they played Central Park about 10 years ago. They did covers of White Rabbit and Edgar Winter's Frankenstein. Pere Ubu and NRBQ opened for them. I always laugh when people mosh to "Birdhouse in Your Soul"
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2003 : 23:50:07
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On TMBG: I heard this radio interview in which John F. sings "Smells Like Teen Spirit" by request, and he basically sings the verses in the backwards voice cause he doesn't know the words.
Yeah, I've heard that. I also have a recording of him doing something similar with "While My Guitar Gently Weeps."
Speaking of TMBG and backwards singing, one of their songs, "On Earth My Nina," came about when Linnell played the unreleased song "Thunderbird" backwards, and then sang what the backwards vocals sounded like to him.
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 01/26/2003 : 09:14:48
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I think Einsturzende Neubauten do this backwards singing thing, but I couldn't tell on which song. It has to be before TMBG though.
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hobobumsteak
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 02/03/2003 : 13:12:34
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| Oh, man. That thread made my morning, wait... afternoon.. God it's hard being an alcoholic. |
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1602 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2003 : 13:22:42
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Originally posted by hobobumsteak
Oh, man. That thread made my morning, wait... afternoon.. God it's hard being an alcoholic.
Glad we could entertain you. |
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GiJoewithKungFuGrip
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 02/04/2003 : 09:47:35
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 I think some guys just can't handle being called out on this board. Once again it appears that the number of posts somehow equates to a higher IQ or translates to someone's "Internet Toughneess".
First and foremeost...did anyone ever see the TV show in the early 90's with the down syndrome kid "Corky"? Well I recall watching it religiously as I consumed ecstacy and it was a good show. Anyway, getting back to my point, "Corky" aka:the swimmer had his ass handed to him on this post and then launched into a profanity laiden tirade in which he questioned the "Manhood" of Default. C'mon...is the number of posts on this board now some sort of new steroid? Is "Corky" now some kind of Bad-Ass? I think not..quite the contrary.
I often wonder how many message baord "badasses" actually ever meet up and "throw them bones". I can see "Corky meeting up with Default and being one of those guys who bows up and then just stands there and says.."Hey man try and hit me..I dare ya...I kill you man...c'mon pussy!" Afterall, he has done that a thousand times in front of his mirror..hasn't he?
I firmly believe the anger eleicited out of "Corky" was masking a certain amount of embarrassment..afterall..who with so many posts would be so inept as to ask that stupid of a question?
So, in closing...i see Default as the winner and by his actions.."Corky" as the loser. In teh future "Corky" try and take shit like that in stride stud. And...I'll send you my address if you would like to come to Atlanta and pummel me too.
"Hello, my name is Inigo Montoya, you killed my father..prepare to die!""
"I'll have the cheese and eggs, scrambled,with plain toast,grits,bacon and hashbrowns scattered and covered." |
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