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[quote][i]Originally posted by Troubles A Foot[/i]
[br][quote][i]Originally posted by pot[/i]

I know a few Asian doctors and experts who were cancelled for their views on COVID - but I think most or all the culture cancelling is targetted  towards White Western values and history etc - do you have an example of cancel culture attacking some cultural aspect of African or Asian culture ? I can�t think of one
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I'm not talking about COVID, I'm talking about art.

Yes. Disney censoring Song of the South:

https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/Tar_Baby#:~:text=Originally%2C%20the%20Tar%20Baby%20was,different%20from%20the%20animated%20segments%2C

This aspect of the film (and the Splash Mountain ride) is based on African folklore. The story was invented by Africans many many years ago. It made white people uncomfortable so it's gone.

And this is the Asian author who had her book unpublished because it dared to discuss slavery from her own culture's history, which offended insane white people who don't want to hear about slavery, except when they want everybody to talk about it, and it never makes sense because these people are incoherent and hypocritical:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/feb/01/young-adult-author-cancels-own-novel-after-race-controversy

"Zhao, who raised in Beijing and emigrated from China to the US at the age of 18, said she wrote the book �from my immediate cultural perspective�, writing that the slavery storylines in her novel �represent a specific critique of the epidemic of indentured labor and human trafficking prevalent in many industries across Asia, including in my own home country�."
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Carl	Posted - 09/09/2009 : 03:04:03 Okay, so the old 'Really not worth a topic' thread is a total mess, with lots of stuff that's really not worth posting AT ALL. So, I thought I'd start a new thread for little articles and things, but not cram it with every little thing that mentions Pixies! So anyway, came across this and hopefully this is an example of something possibly worth posting: NYTimes.com - Living With Music: A Playlist by Joanna Smith Rakoff. 1) Is She Weird, Pixies. Nowadays, when people talk about the 1990s, the first band they mention is Nirvana, but for me � and most of my college-radio-station-DJ, record-store-regular friends � that era was all about the Pixies, with their irresistible, genre-busting sound: the slow, precise bass, the shifting tempo, the eerie hiss and scream of Black Francis. In 1990, when �Bossanova� came out, I listened to it endlessly � even though it wasn�t on the level of �Doolittle� or �Come on Pilgrim� � thrilled by this brief, odd song, a freaky gloss on Macbeth: �Is she weird? / Is she white? / Is she promised to the night? / And her head has no room.� I was 18 then, and felt very weird and very white.
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Sprite	Posted - 11/16/2025 : 04:09:46 Yep that just great! Funny to think he obsesses over the Winterlong chord progression the way we obsesses over many his.
Bedbug	Posted - 11/15/2025 : 17:32:13 That really was a great read. Would love to hear more
billgoodman	Posted - 11/14/2025 : 00:51:52 quote: Originally posted by Brank_Flack https://stereogum.com/2476602/80-artists-pick-their-favorite-neil-young-song/lists 80 Artists Pick Their Favourite Neil Young Songs Frank Black (Pixies): "Winterlong," 1973 "When I was a teenager, I had acquired the very well-regarded Decade compilation. That's where I first heard "Winterlong." "Winterlong" is a beautiful word. I believe the history of it goes back to the 1300s. Middle English, somewhere around there. I don�t think it�s a word that�s used that often in modern vernacular. The opening chord sequence is kind of a 1950s progression � not so much from the R&B or rock 'n' roll side of things, but more from the doo-wop world. C to an A minor to an F to a G. It starts off in a place of almost resignation. Then the vocalist enters. "I waited for you winterlong/ You seemed to be where I belong/ It's all illusion anyway." That first couplet is sort of the implied chorus. The whole gist of the song. The chorus really only happens, in my opinion, one time at the end of the song. There are a lot of great songs from the late '50s and early '60s where the chorus only happens once � you think you hear it a lot but you never really hear it until the end. Throughout "Winterlong," it�s been heavily suggested but we haven't heard it yet. Eventually there�s a tag that�s our first hint we're going to get to the bottom of all of this, we�re going to get some resolution. We don't hear that same chord progression. We drop that A minor so the chorus gets tightened up and all the pathos is wrapped up in the "I waited for you winterlong" over and over. I think "Winterlong" is one of the greatest pop songs ever � right up there with "Duke Of Earl" or a Roy Orbison song or "The Great Pretender" � for the casual ease with which it delivers this sophisticated, elegant arrangement. You almost feel like you've lived the chorus a few times until you actually get there. I play it almost every night in the Pixies. We've been playing the song for almost 40 years. I don't know that we've ever done the song any justice, but I do it every night because I want to ring the bell finally. Sometimes we do, sometimes we don't, but I'm always trying. I'm obsessed with the song, I can't stop playing the song. In my mind I'm always fantasizing: "What if this is the night Neil decides to walk in and I'm doing that song?" I hope that's the time we ring the bell really hard." Really enjoyed reading this --------------------------- BF: Mag ik Engels spreken?
Troubles A Foot	Posted - 11/11/2025 : 13:23:01 Fascinating! I'm not crazy about covers but that gives me new appreciation for it. I love Frank dissecting song structure like that.
Brank_Flack	Posted - 11/11/2025 : 11:25:58 https://stereogum.com/2476602/80-artists-pick-their-favorite-neil-young-song/lists 80 Artists Pick Their Favourite Neil Young Songs Frank Black (Pixies): "Winterlong," 1973 "When I was a teenager, I had acquired the very well-regarded Decade compilation. That's where I first heard "Winterlong." "Winterlong" is a beautiful word. I believe the history of it goes back to the 1300s. Middle English, somewhere around there. I don�t think it�s a word that�s used that often in modern vernacular. The opening chord sequence is kind of a 1950s progression � not so much from the R&B or rock 'n' roll side of things, but more from the doo-wop world. C to an A minor to an F to a G. It starts off in a place of almost resignation. Then the vocalist enters. "I waited for you winterlong/ You seemed to be where I belong/ It's all illusion anyway." That first couplet is sort of the implied chorus. The whole gist of the song. The chorus really only happens, in my opinion, one time at the end of the song. There are a lot of great songs from the late '50s and early '60s where the chorus only happens once � you think you hear it a lot but you never really hear it until the end. Throughout "Winterlong," it�s been heavily suggested but we haven't heard it yet. Eventually there�s a tag that�s our first hint we're going to get to the bottom of all of this, we�re going to get some resolution. We don't hear that same chord progression. We drop that A minor so the chorus gets tightened up and all the pathos is wrapped up in the "I waited for you winterlong" over and over. I think "Winterlong" is one of the greatest pop songs ever � right up there with "Duke Of Earl" or a Roy Orbison song or "The Great Pretender" � for the casual ease with which it delivers this sophisticated, elegant arrangement. You almost feel like you've lived the chorus a few times until you actually get there. I play it almost every night in the Pixies. We've been playing the song for almost 40 years. I don't know that we've ever done the song any justice, but I do it every night because I want to ring the bell finally. Sometimes we do, sometimes we don't, but I'm always trying. I'm obsessed with the song, I can't stop playing the song. In my mind I'm always fantasizing: "What if this is the night Neil decides to walk in and I'm doing that song?" I hope that's the time we ring the bell really hard."
Bedbug	Posted - 10/19/2025 : 11:00:58 Lots of info here and great video of the two songs on the same turntable thing https://www.stereogum.com/2326723/pixies-former-bassist-deletes-single-after-plagiarism-claim-current-guitarist-acknowledges-taylor-swift-where-is-my-mind-comparison/news/
billgoodman	Posted - 10/17/2025 : 00:04:53 quote: Originally posted by Active Duck Kind of agree that it feels like a win. Joey's post on instagram is nice... https://www.instagram.com/p/DPc3KWXkajl/ this is great! --------------------------- BF: Mag ik Engels spreken?
billgoodman	Posted - 10/09/2025 : 06:36:23 quote: Originally posted by Brank_Flack I'm not going to subject myself to listen to it, but in an ideal world Charles would take a bite out of her billion dollar fortune to build himself a home recording studio and fund album-a-year releases. I believe Frank has the recording studio already to do that. The Catholics mobile studio, he could record all day, he once said in an interview --------------------------- BF: Mag ik Engels spreken?
Discoking	Posted - 10/09/2025 : 02:19:07 hahaha yes it's educational
Active Duck	Posted - 10/08/2025 : 22:33:57 Kind of agree that it feels like a win. Joey's post on instagram is nice... https://www.instagram.com/p/DPc3KWXkajl/
Bedbug	Posted - 10/08/2025 : 18:37:31 I feel like it�s actually a win for Frank
Jamie	Posted - 10/08/2025 : 18:18:11 Plagiarism cases have been won on much shakier ground, but I'd lean toward it not being worth pursuing, given that she's a billionaire with a psychotic fanbase.
Troubles A Foot	Posted - 10/08/2025 : 17:41:42 Listening now. Is that....allowed? I feel conflicted about plagiarism accusations when tons of songs use the same chords. But is it fair to say some chord progressions (and the rhythm they are played in) are more unique and iconic than others?
Brank_Flack	Posted - 10/08/2025 : 08:00:28 I'm not going to subject myself to listen to it, but in an ideal world Charles would take a bite out of her billion dollar fortune to build himself a home recording studio and fund album-a-year releases.
Bedbug	Posted - 10/08/2025 : 06:15:01 Wow, you guys weren�t kidding. How could that happen? Will Frank care?
vilainde	Posted - 10/07/2025 : 13:25:49 Actually Romantic Denis
Bedbug	Posted - 10/07/2025 : 11:33:01 quote: Originally posted by The Maharal Kinda funny that Taylor Swift rips off Where Is My Mind on her new album. (I wouldn't have known only someone said BF should be suing her for royalties.) It's pretty bad. Is there any way you can be more specific as to which song? I don't mean to speak for the whole Frank Black Forum, but as for me I don't plan on listening to an entire Taylor Swift album just to try to find the Frank rip off.
The Maharal	Posted - 10/04/2025 : 12:54:17 Kinda funny that Taylor Swift rips off Where Is My Mind on her new album. (I wouldn't have known only someone said BF should be suing her for royalties.) It's pretty bad.
Bedbug	Posted - 06/03/2025 : 03:49:58 Tony Hawk talks about biggest albums in his life, SR/ Doolittle about halfway point https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l4zSZtYPPlo
danjersey	Posted - 02/27/2025 : 19:25:00 That crazy fish. I�ve only heard Placebos�s placebo. Frank has spoken about writing the libretto for his songs. I wonder if he was already consciously writing lyrics as libretto when he wrote Where is my Mind.
Bedbug	Posted - 02/23/2025 : 10:21:36 The five best covers of WIMM according to Far Out https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/five-best-covers-of-where-is-my-mind/
billgoodman	Posted - 02/03/2025 : 23:42:08 Very interesting --------------------------- BF: Mag ik Engels spreken?
jake3	Posted - 02/01/2025 : 03:12:13 quote: Originally posted by jake3 quote: Originally posted by jake3 quote: Originally posted by jake3 quote: Originally posted by jake3 An interesting Spotify stat: 'All I Think About Now' is the 10th most listened to song in the entire Pixies catalogue having more listens than any other song on �Come On Pilgrim�, �Bossanova�, �Trompe Le Monde�, �Indie Cindy�, �Head Carrier� or �Beneath the Eerie�, as well as more listens than any FB/BF/Catholics song or any Breeders song, excluding 'Cannonball'. Quite the achievement for Paz's first songwriting contribution! Just to update this 'All I Think About Now' is still rapidly gaining listens on Spotify. It's now the 7th most listened to Pixies song on the platform at 39.9 million listens behind 'Where Is My Mind?' (662.3m), 'Here Comes Your Man' (169.9m), 'Hey' (145.5m), 'Debaser' (81.9m), 'Monkey Gone To Heaven' (68m) and 'Gouge Away' (40.5m). Quite unbelievable really. From what I can gather it's a Spotify playlist thing. Update (16 Jan 24) Top 10 Most Streamed Pixies Songs On Spotify: 1) Where Is My Mind? - 810.6m 2) Here Comes Your Man - 203m 3) Hey - 169.3m 4) Debaser - 93.1m 5) Monkey Gone To Heaven - 83m 6) All I Think About Now - 61.2m 7) Gouge Away - 51.8m 8) Wave of Mutilation - 41.4m 9) Gigantic - 35.2m 10) Wave of Mutilation (UK Surf) - 34.4m x) Cannonball - 115.6m Monthly Listeners: Pixies - 9.6m The Breeders - 1.2m Frank Black - 152k Frank Black & The Catholics - 14.4k Black Francis - 12k Grand Duchy - <1k Update (05 May 24) Top 10 Most Streamed Pixies Songs On Spotify: 1) Where Is My Mind? - 870.5m 2) Here Comes Your Man - 218.4m 3) Hey - 177.8m 4) Debaser - 97.2m 5) Monkey Gone To Heaven - 88.9m 6) All I Think About Now - 70.7m 7) Gouge Away - 55.6m 8) Wave of Mutilation - 51.9m 9) Gigantic - 36.9m 10) Wave of Mutilation (UK Surf) - 36m x) Cannonball - 121.3m Monthly Listeners: Pixies - 9.5m The Breeders - 1.2m Frank Black - 143k Frank Black & The Catholics - 15.5k Black Francis - 12.7k Grand Duchy - <1k Update (01 Feb 25): Top 10 Most Streamed Pixies Songs On Spotify: 1) Where Is My Mind? - 1,013.8m 2) Here Comes Your Man - 256.0m 3) Hey - 196.5m 4) Debaser - 107.1m 5) Monkey Gone To Heaven - 102.1m 6) All I Think About Now - 91.0m 7) Gouge Away - 63.4m 8) Wave of Mutilation - 58.3m 9) The Thing - 45.3m 10) Gigantic (Album Version) - 40.9m x) Cannonball - 134.6m Monthly Listeners: Pixies - 9.4m The Breeders - 1.1m Kim Deal - 211.8k Frank Black - 158.4k The Amps - 32.7k Frank Black & The Catholics - 25k Black Francis - 18.1k Grand Duchy - <1k
Bedbug	Posted - 12/16/2024 : 12:29:10 FBF is always ahead of the curve Interesting read on the high tech underwater drones known as Manta Ray https://www.northropgrumman.com/what-we-do/sea/manta-ray
tamefan	Posted - 11/06/2024 : 16:40:53 Oh my bad, didn't realize it was the wrong thread -- deleted!
Troubles A Foot	Posted - 11/06/2024 : 08:09:51 Wrong thread for sure. Tempted to reply but won't take the bait!
natenate101	Posted - 11/06/2024 : 06:41:35 SMH. So dumb. Take this crap elsewhere.
billgoodman	Posted - 11/06/2024 : 01:34:40 Seems like a General Chat-post, and I have a hard time congratulating anybody right now, but I guess congrats! --------------------------- BF: Mag ik Engels spreken?
yarbles	Posted - 10/24/2024 : 11:50:12 quote: Originally posted by The Maharal Adam Buxton did an interview with Kim Deal. It'll be interesting since he's good friends with Black and was around the band moments after Kim left the Indie Cindy sessions. Edit: Actually, don't think it was for his podcast. More a show in anticipation of Kim's new album. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6_rBsjQJFs&list=TLPQMjQxMDIwMjSsFQoMt67nbQ&index=2&ab_channel=SteveHurst Interesting, was there an interview as well? Would love to hear it if it's out there anywhere.
The Maharal	Posted - 10/24/2024 : 10:07:08 Adam Buxton did an interview with Kim Deal. It'll be interesting since he's good friends with Black and was around the band moments after Kim left the Indie Cindy sessions. Edit: Actually, don't think it was for his podcast. More a show in anticipation of Kim's new album. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6_rBsjQJFs&list=TLPQMjQxMDIwMjSsFQoMt67nbQ&index=2&ab_channel=SteveHurst
Bryanwex	Posted - 09/18/2024 : 16:01:25 �� . �� , ��, �� . https://moismi.ru/info/704-kak-otlichit-originalnuyu-veshch-balmain-ot-poddelki-osnovnye-sovety/
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Bedbug	Posted - 09/04/2024 : 01:36:22 More Dave Grohl going on and on about the Pixies https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/the-band-dave-grohl-thought-could-have-had-nirvanas-fame-we-were-blown-away-they-never-got-big/
rivum	Posted - 09/03/2024 : 06:34:13 quote: Originally posted by tamefan Mother Mother's lead singer, Ryan, met Joey at a bar and Joey played new & unreleased Pixies songs for him on a headset. Not sure if this story is referring to Zombies or to an earlier album. It's amusing that Joey walks around with new Pixies music in his pocket at the ready. Ryan tells the story here: https://youtu.be/05An5P_Yaso?t=347 Here's Mother Mother covering Cactus and Gouge Away. Ryan plays an interesting solo during Gouge Away: https://youtu.be/EOYxc5tS8fM?t=298 i got the impression from listening to that video clip that joey playing him those unreleased songs wasn't recently, since he said "i met the guitarist at a bar ONCE..." could be wrong but i'm thinking it isn't the currently unreleased songs he heard
rivum	Posted - 09/03/2024 : 06:32:54 mother mother are really cool. good canadian band! i saw them one time at a festival and was surprised when they played two pixies covers (cactus and gouge, same as the other show posted above). seemed odd to take up a fairly short time slot with two songs that are covers. but i loved it! they do a great job on them and clearly are very passionate pixies fans.

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