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| Alpha Soixante |
Posted - 09/19/2004 : 11:51:32
You already blew it: You didn't vote last time, or voted for Nader or Bush, and now you're gonna get drafted. There's no way around it now, the draft is almost a certainty.
You're hearing about Reserve and National Guard units being called up, and about people not allowed to leave the military even though their term is up. Have you thought about what this means to you? You KNOW this means they're having trouble finding enough soldiers to go to Iraq, right? Of course Bush doesn’t want to start the draft BEFORE the election. Duh! But what do you think happens the day AFTER the election?
I repeat, they are having trouble finding enough soldiers to go to Iraq. Think about it. Right, you're gonna get drafted.
Or, maybe you think they can't do that? Maybe you think the draft doesn't happen in America. Maybe you think they can't just grab your ass up off the street, stick a rifle in your hands and send you off to war? Of course not, that NEVER happens. Right.
WAR. Yes, that word. The word you have been hearing from Bush’s lips for months now. "I'm a WAR president", he says. Well, what did you think war MEANS? Somebody ELSE’S war? Did you think it means you get to watch a TV show with planes and stuff?
No, WAR means young people getting grabbed up off the street and sent off to fight. That. Is. What. War. Is.
And, by the way, women and students are NOT going to be exempt this time. Maybe not even rich kids. ONLY the children of politicians will be exempt. THIS TIME.
So, are you finally ready to do something about it THIS TIME? Which candidate do you think is more likely to grab your ass off the street and send it to Iraq? Which candidate do you think is more likely to start a war with Iran, or Syria, or maybe even North Korea? Like Bush says, we're at war, and that's the issue in this election. Well, THAT’S what you should be thinking about THIS TIME.
So vote. THIS TIME.
http://blatanttruth.org/draft.php
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/171522_draft01.html
Know any U.S. men or women under 35 who are a) voting Bush, b) voting Nader, or c) not voting? Send them a copy, please.
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| BLT |
Posted - 12/14/2004 : 08:31:33
I'm not saying women shouldn't have the choice to live or die how they choose. It's like the story last week about amputees being allowed to come back. If they want the chance to have another limb blown off, more power to them...I hope they succeed.
I posted this article to show the measures the US armed forces are resorting to in order to fill the empty seats in Iraq. You mistake it for an argument about women's rights. |
| n/a |
Posted - 12/14/2004 : 08:27:38
It makes me feel ill, if anyone is stupid enough to want to join the armed forces, to want to go out there and play soldier, shoot and get shot at, let them, fuck it the further away they are from me the better.
And FBC in the context of the Iraq war exactly who were we supposed to be defending there? There is still a justification muddle (cue the republicans) in my mind and the whole thing has been turned out to be a bloody mess.
Defending a country, fine, in the terms of defending you and your loved ones from harm then good. Anyone would do that. Defending your countrys honour or revenge or some other made up bullshit? naaaah. Don't think so.
Yeah, I missed this thread. *cough*
Frank Black ate my hamster |
| Newo |
Posted - 12/14/2004 : 06:16:27
Maybe they should stay at home and make shell-casings or take over the baseball leagues, BLT. And the particular sex of someone capable of an act like this matters how much exactly?
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Maze rats dreamed of mazes, according to the latest studies. Maze rat scientists dreamed of rats. I was dreaming of cheese. |
| frank black conspiracy |
Posted - 12/13/2004 : 17:49:36
quote:
Originally posted by BLT
. While I consider war to be a tragedy that should be avoided by all reasonable means, I find the idea of women engaging in combat to be particularly unconscionable. Call me old fashioned, but I still cling to an admittedly traditional attitude towards women. They are beautiful…they are wonderful…and the idea of having them participate in the butchery of combat is too grotesque to contemplate.
Bit of a generalisation there, surely women who sign up to the forces do so with a free will and understanding of their own minds. i've seen some women, U.S and others, and not all are beautiful.
War knows no sex. It's the passion of a human that urges them to defend their country. I agree war shouid always be a last resort, but if and when the time comes, if he/she can hold a gun, let 'em shoot. |
| BLT |
Posted - 12/13/2004 : 09:20:25
Not specifically about the draft, but related...
http://www.lewrockwell.com/latulippe/latulippe37.html
Women Warriors and the American Empire
by Steven LaTulippe
While surfing the web the other day, I came across a story from the Washington Times titled "Army Charged with Ban Violation." The story describes several controversial new reorganizations going on in the US Army, especially as they relate to women soldiers:
A pro-military group is charging that the Army is violating the Defense Department's ban on women in land combat by collocating mixed-sex support units with war-fighting soldiers.
At issue is how the Army is transforming its 10 active divisions into multiple, self-contained "units of action."
In essence, the Pentagon brass has decided to change the structure of Army units so as to combine support groups with front-line combat brigades. This will, they claim, create a more flexible force which will be more effective in the field. The law currently forbids female soldiers from serving in ground combat units, which is the "fly in the ointment" for this particular reform.
But nevertheless, the Pentagon is pushing forward.
Before commenting, I should first confess a certain bias concerning this general topic. While I consider war to be a tragedy that should be avoided by all reasonable means, I find the idea of women engaging in combat to be particularly unconscionable. Call me old fashioned, but I still cling to an admittedly traditional attitude towards women. They are beautiful…they are wonderful…and the idea of having them participate in the butchery of combat is too grotesque to contemplate.
But it appears that those in charge of our government have other priorities. What especially caught my attention in this article was the following quote from an Army briefing paper:
"Army manpower cannot support elimination of female soldiers from all units designated to be unit of action elements," the Army document states. The document further states that by not including women, it "creates an immediate personnel readiness impact: issue of insufficient male soldiers in inventory to fill forward support companies ... Creates potential long-term challenge to Army; pool of male recruits too small to sustain force."
Permit me to translate this paragraph from military jargon: Given our current Imperial foreign policy, we cannot fulfill our missions without utilizing female soldiers in front line units. There simply aren’t enough men in the military or in the potential recruitment pipeline.
This represents, in my humble opinion, a new low in our spiral to Imperial oblivion. The last vestiges of Western chivalry are evaporating in the face of the cold calculations of Leviathan’s war machine (and this just refers to the female combat angle…I won’t even comment on how this memo refers to our soldiers as "inventory").
I have been wondering for quite some time just how much the American people are willing to tolerate for the sake of our increasingly belligerent foreign policy, and I see no end in sight.
The American people have watched their leaders invade a sovereign nation based on fabricated intelligence and crude deception…and they have "punished" the perpetrators of this policy with an election victory and four more years of power. The American people have shrugged off the increasing violence in Iraq and the mounting death toll from the conflict there. The populace has regarded the blooming fiscal catastrophe of our budget deficits – largely driven by the wars’ costs – with total indifference. Our citizens have passively accepted an accelerating attack on our Constitutional rights fueled by government-induced war hysteria.
It is as if God Himself is testing our nation to determine just how decadent we have become. As we glide past each milestone, He sets a new, lower marker.
We are sacrificing our sons, our liberty, and our fiscal solvency on the altar of interventionism and "benevolent world hegemony." None of these policies have even one iota to do with our Republic and the well-being of our citizens.
Now the Empire is coming for our daughters, our wives, and our mothers.
Is there anything currently being contested in Iraq that is worth this new blood sacrifice? Is there anything worthwhile at stake in potential future conflicts in Iran or Syria?
When I observe the policies currently emanating from Washington, I am increasingly coming to the conclusion that our government has lost its mind. It is literally out of control. Not a day goes by when I don’t hear of some new proposal which is straight out of an Orwell novel. I regularly read about prisoners rotting in secret gulags overseas, of American citizens imprisoned without access to courts or lawyers, of new passports designed with "implanted chips," of individuals nominated for "Homeland Security Czar" who have histories of power abuses that read like those of KGB officers, and of the proliferation of numerous government "data bases" for use in everything from boarding airplanes to opening bank accounts. They even want to screen all schoolchildren – without parental consent – for mental illness and possible psychotropic drug treatment.
How have the American people become so utterly submissive? Are they even willing to feed their daughters into this continuing maw of Imperial warfare with nary a complaint? Does this pit have no bottom?
There is a 50-50 chance that the feds will have to resort to some sort of military draft in the next couple of years if they wish to continue with their plans. Add this fact to the movement of women into combat units, and you have an interesting combination. What will America do? Have we become so servile that we will allow our daughters to be dragooned into some new crusade to liberate Baluchistan or bring democracy to Waziristan?
Over the next few months and years, we will watch the answers to these questions unfold. I pray that the American people awake before it is too late.
December 13, 2004
Steven LaTulippe is a physician currently practicing in Ohio. He was an officer in the United States Air Force for 13 years. |
| n/a |
Posted - 10/20/2004 : 14:18:32
just as I was starting to miss this thread....
Frank Black ate my hamster |
| Alpha Soixante |
Posted - 10/20/2004 : 14:15:54
Of Course There Won't Be A Draft!: The FAQ
http://fafblog.blogspot.com/2004_10_17_fafblog_archive.html#109829259214293575
Courtesy of the sublimely funny Fafblog.
Less funny, but worth reading: two articles from the wacky, wacky New York Times (registration required)
"U.S. Has Contingency Plans for a Draft of Medical Workers"
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/19/politics/19draft.html?ex=1099195485&ei=1&en=489458992e8cb298
Excerpt: "In a confidential report this summer, a contractor hired by the agency described how such a draft might work, how to secure compliance and how to mold public opinion and communicate with health care professionals, whose lives could be disrupted
....Under the plan, Mr. Flahavan said, about 3.4 million male and female health care workers ages 18 to 44 would be expected to register with the Selective Service. From this pool, he said, the agency could select tens of thousands of health care professionals practicing in 62 health care specialties."
"Feeling the Draft"
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/19/opinion/19krugman.html?oref=login&oref=login&oref=login&oref=login&oref=login&hp
Excerpt: "Those who are worrying about a revived draft are in the same position as those who worried about a return to budget deficits four years ago, when President Bush began pushing through his program of tax cuts. Back then he insisted that he wouldn't drive the budget into deficit - but those who looked at the facts strongly suspected otherwise. Now he insists that he won't revive the draft. But the facts suggest that he will." |
| Alpha Soixante |
Posted - 10/20/2004 : 14:15:24
Of Course There Won't Be A Draft!: The FAQ
http://fafblog.blogspot.com/2004_10_17_fafblog_archive.html#109829259214293575
Courtesy of the sublimely funny Fafblog.
Less funny, but worth reading:
Two articles from the wacky, wacky New York Times (registration required)
"U.S. Has Contingency Plans for a Draft of Medical Workers"
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/19/politics/19draft.html?ex=1099195485&ei=1&en=489458992e8cb298
Excerpt: "In a confidential report this summer, a contractor hired by the agency described how such a draft might work, how to secure compliance and how to mold public opinion and communicate with health care professionals, whose lives could be disrupted
....Under the plan, Mr. Flahavan said, about 3.4 million male and female health care workers ages 18 to 44 would be expected to register with the Selective Service. From this pool, he said, the agency could select tens of thousands of health care professionals practicing in 62 health care specialties."
"Feeling the Draft"
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/19/opinion/19krugman.html?oref=login&oref=login&oref=login&oref=login&oref=login&hp
Excerpt: "Those who are worrying about a revived draft are in the same position as those who worried about a return to budget deficits four years ago, when President Bush began pushing through his program of tax cuts. Back then he insisted that he wouldn't drive the budget into deficit - but those who looked at the facts strongly suspected otherwise. Now he insists that he won't revive the draft. But the facts suggest that he will." |
| Ebb Vicious |
Posted - 10/12/2004 : 11:44:00
quote:
Originally posted by Erebus
HAY D00DZ AN ORGANIZATION STARTED BY MTV MIGHT NOT BE NON-PARTISAN!!!!!!!!!!!
oh GEE WHIZ do you think!??! OH MAN!!!
next you're gonna tell me that SWIFT BOAT VETERANS FOR TRUTH isn't non-partisan!?!?!?
OH MAN THIS MUST BE TOPSY-TURVY WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| KimStanleyRobinson |
Posted - 10/12/2004 : 11:16:49
quote:
Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
you seem to think just because i'm calling you an idiot that i support bush. i don't, and the iraq war has been the biggest fuck up in my lifetime.
however, prattling on like chicken little about a draft is moronic. it's not going to happen, and you're a fucking imbecile for going on about it for so long. and i will continue to tell you that you are dumb as a fencepost every time you bring it up.
edit:
i am not exaggerating at all when i say that this thread is just as fucking dumb as the one where some retards were trying to say that evolution is questionable. it's like the fucking flat earth people or something.
it's such a colossal waste of time and energy to worry about a draft, and to think about a draft.
why don't you spend your time and energy thinking about more realistic and immediate problems instead? why don't you worry about the concept of a war with Iran or North Korea or somewhere else WITHOUT a draft? is that not horrifying enough? is war only bad when people are forced to go and die for no reason as opposed to volunteering to protect their country and instead throwing their lives away some Haliburton and other companies can put new wallpaper on the inside of their enormous vaults?
or how about the hoarding of money by the richest people in the country -- no, fuck that -- the world. 2% of the population controls 98% of the wealth. and all the tax breaks in the world are not going to make them share it. they won't do anything with it? do you know why? because they live off of the interest. they can have lifestyles beyond your imagination without spending any of the largest portion of their wealth. why don't you worry about the malnourishment and undereducation of the majority of the world while Bill Gates and the Walton family fly around on private jets eating wearing clothes that cost more than your annual income?
why don't you spend your time complaining about our political system making it impossible for any new ideas or any kind of real interest in doing good making it to the highest levels? why don't you complain about the fact that any halfway decent person who enters into politics gets so discouraged and crushed by the machinery that they either assimilate or give up? why don't you complain about the greatest country in the world binding itself at the wrists and ankles with a political system so corrupt and worthless that the only choice we have is who will fuck us over less?
why don't you stop wasting my time with childish, fanciliful bullshit and talk about some real problems instead?
because i'm tired of you and i'm tired of your stupidity. so unless you are going to educate yourself and share an opinion that is worth reading, please shut your fucking face.
Just wanted to quote this.
Head butting, knuckle knocking "hell yeah" to you Ebb.
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| Erebus |
Posted - 10/12/2004 : 10:51:50
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,135145,00.html
And now, the Rock The Vote (search) campaign — self-described as a "non-partisan organization ... [trying] to increase youth voter turnout" — has sent fake draft cards to nearly 640,000 people via e-mail, all headlined: "You've Been Drafted."
The emails, quoted by the Los Angeles Times, warn that "real cards may be in the mail soon if the situation doesn't improve."
A Rock the Vote spokesman, however, insists the e-mail blitz is non-partisan.
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| Ebb Vicious |
Posted - 10/10/2004 : 19:00:34
you seem to think just because i'm calling you an idiot that i support bush. i don't, and the iraq war has been the biggest fuck up in my lifetime.
however, prattling on like chicken little about a draft is moronic. it's not going to happen, and you're a fucking imbecile for going on about it for so long. and i will continue to tell you that you are dumb as a fencepost every time you bring it up.
edit:
i am not exaggerating at all when i say that this thread is just as fucking dumb as the one where some retards were trying to say that evolution is questionable. it's like the fucking flat earth people or something.
it's such a colossal waste of time and energy to worry about a draft, and to think about a draft.
why don't you spend your time and energy thinking about more realistic and immediate problems instead? why don't you worry about the concept of a war with Iran or North Korea or somewhere else WITHOUT a draft? is that not horrifying enough? is war only bad when people are forced to go and die for no reason as opposed to volunteering to protect their country and instead throwing their lives away some Haliburton and other companies can put new wallpaper on the inside of their enormous vaults?
or how about the hoarding of money by the richest people in the country -- no, fuck that -- the world. 2% of the population controls 98% of the wealth. and all the tax breaks in the world are not going to make them share it. they won't do anything with it? do you know why? because they live off of the interest. they can have lifestyles beyond your imagination without spending any of the largest portion of their wealth. why don't you worry about the malnourishment and undereducation of the majority of the world while Bill Gates and the Walton family fly around on private jets eating wearing clothes that cost more than your annual income?
why don't you spend your time complaining about our political system making it impossible for any new ideas or any kind of real interest in doing good making it to the highest levels? why don't you complain about the fact that any halfway decent person who enters into politics gets so discouraged and crushed by the machinery that they either assimilate or give up? why don't you complain about the greatest country in the world binding itself at the wrists and ankles with a political system so corrupt and worthless that the only choice we have is who will fuck us over less?
why don't you stop wasting my time with childish, fanciliful bullshit and talk about some real problems instead?
because i'm tired of you and i'm tired of your stupidity. so unless you are going to educate yourself and share an opinion that is worth reading, please shut your fucking face. |
| n/a |
Posted - 10/10/2004 : 17:07:00
I can't sleep and I want a bedtime story now, can this be a bedtime story thread instead puh-puh-pretty puh-please. Can it have a unicorn in it? And a dragon, ooh and a really big mountain!!! No big wars though, they give me frown lines
I look like the kind of guy who pimps his sister not just for the money, but because he hates her
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| NimrodsSon |
Posted - 10/10/2004 : 16:03:36
What happens to you if you don't register for the draft when you turn eighteen?
¡Viva los Católicos! |
| VoVat |
Posted - 10/10/2004 : 15:54:25
quote:
Either administration would have to initiate the draft if there were a national emergency.
Well, unless they took troops out of places like Iraq to fight back at home.
"Signature quotes are so lame." --Nathan |
| Alpha Soixante |
Posted - 10/10/2004 : 15:44:34
Well, Ebb. Since you've been a good boy and stopped interrupting the grown-ups, I've written you a bedtime story:
Once upon a time, there was a mighty king who had started so many wars at once that he ran out of armies. "What are we going to do?" the mighty king asked his most trusted advisors. "Well, sire," one advisor replied, "we could stop starting new wars."
After everyone finished laughing and picked themselves up off the floor and wiped the tears from their eyes, the king said, "Seriously though, what are we going to do?" "Sire," said another advisor, "we have no choice but to order our subjects to join our armies." "Against their will? Never!" exclaimed the king. "There is nothing I value more deeply than the will of my beloved subjects!"
After everyone finished laughing and picked themselves up off the floor and wiped the tears from their eyes, another advisor said, "Good one, sire. But won't the people revolt?" "True," said the king, "I hadn't thought of that. They might hold protest marches. And protests could turn the kingdom against us."
After everyone finished laughing and picked themselves up off the floor and wiped the tears from their eyes, another advisor said, "Another gem, sire. But what if the people resort to violence?" "Hmm," said the king. "Yes, that could be a problem. No army can withstand the common will of the people."
After everyone had finished laughing and picked themselves up off the floor and wiped the tears from their eyes, another advisor said, "I hope the protesters don't come after us with their puppets!" "I make the jokes around here," said the king.
Suddenly, the king's magician appeared in a puff of smoke. "I've solved your problem, sire," he said. "Take my hand." The king did, and they both vanished in a puff of smoke.
The king soon found himself in a magical far-off land full of magical mysterious magic. "This is a magical land," said the magician. "The Land of Ebb. It's full of magic, and you can only get here through magic. Fortunately, I'm a magician." "Wow!" said the king. "It must be hard work, the magic. I'm a hard worker, but not magical. Magical work, I mean. Working magic hard. Work. Magic."
The magician led the king across the land of Ebb to a strange place. Before them was a mysterious hole, like a hole in a golf course. "This is a magical, enchanted hole, sire," said the magician. It is known as Ebb's Hole. Sire, what do you wish for more than anything right now?"
"I could go for a pretzel," replied the king. The magician reached deep into Ebb's Hole and pulled out a hot, tasty pretzel. "Wow, it's like magic!" exclaimed the king. "Yes," said the magician. "It's a magic hole with many magical properties." "It looks like hard work, though," said the king. "So, how does this magic hole solve my problem?"
"Pretzels aren't the only thing you can pull out of Ebb's Hole," replied the magician. "You can pull anything you want out of Ebb's Hole. Watch!" The magician reached again into Ebb's Hole and slowly drew out a knight on horseback. Then he pulled out another, and another, and another. Soon the king was surrounded by a mighty army. "Amazing!" exclaimed the king. "How could they all fit inside that hole?"
"Magic," replied the magician, "magical magic." "Well," said the king, "it looked like hard work. Working hard. Harding work. Warding Hock. Wok."
"Problem solved," said the magician.
"Good work," said the king. "Good, hard work. Blark."
Then the magician pulled lollipops and candycanes and rainbows and racing cars out of Ebb's Hole and gave them to all the good boys and girls who obeyed grownups and went to bed when they were told to. And all the good little boys and girls stuffed themselves with candy and racing cars and went to bed like they were told them and had sweet, sweet dreams from which they never awoke again.
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| Alpha Soixante |
Posted - 10/10/2004 : 12:06:33
Thanks Apple, and I think you summed things up perfectly. I'd add that I think Kerry might have a better chance at avoiding a national emergency. At the very least, I hope he'd try to avoid one, which I'm not confident Bush's people would do.
Ebb, sweety, take a nap. Sticking your fingers in your ears and singing "I can't hear you" is just making you crankier. |
| apl4eris |
Posted - 10/10/2004 : 12:02:19
Thank you for that well-reasoned and informative post on the subject, Alpha. It echoes what I've found in my own research. Either administration would have to initiate the draft if there were a national emergency. Neither can categorically promise that they will NOT initiate the draft during their term. To do so is purely empty political rhetoric. |
| Ebb Vicious |
Posted - 10/10/2004 : 11:59:12
hey guess what alpha?
this thread is still bullshit and you're still an idiot. |
| Alpha Soixante |
Posted - 10/10/2004 : 11:22:50
It's not just an internet rumor. There's an interesting article in the New York Times on the question, but you have to register to read it. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/03/weekinreview/03dao.html?oref=login&oref=login
The issue is (for those in denial) not whether either Bush or Kerry would want to reinstate a draft, but whether they'll have any choice. Chances of not needing a draft are better with Kerry, since he's not working with neoconservatives who are actively trying to expand military operations in the Middle East. But even Kerry might not be able to avoid it.
Some selections from the article:
The mathematics behind these suggestions can be sobering. In the combined American armed forces there are 1.4 million active-duty troops, with another 865,000 National Guard members and reservists. That may sound like a big pool to draw from, but consider: Total active Army and Marine personnel are about 655,000, and that includes support units, training units, headquarters personnel and others who do not go to the front. During a prolonged war like that in Iraq, units sent to the front have to be rotated out and replaced with an equal number while they rest and retrain.
So maintaining a level of 135,000 ground troops in Iraq, another 20,000 in Afghanistan and a smaller force in the Balkans, while a garrison of 36,000 (soon to be reduced) guards the Korean armistice line and other troops maintain bases in Europe, creates a major strain. The current system is already drawing on Guard and reserve units to fill the gap. What is more, some military officers and political figures have long questioned whether 135,000 troops is a large enough force to prevail in Iraq.
What if another big deployment is needed? Estimates vary widely on how many additional troops might be required, but some analysts say the current overall force could easily fall short by more than 70,000 ground troops. In the 1991 gulf war, when Saddam Hussein was at the height of his power, the United States sent 500,000 troops to evict Iraqi forces from Kuwait.
..."You might be able to squeeze more people out of pockets of the military, but the truth is, there is a limit to what you can do there," said Gary Schmitt, executive director of the Project for the New American Century, a conservative group that favors permanent expansion of the Army.
...But the most striking shortcoming in both plans, experts say, is their lack of allowance for another major conflict - if war erupts on the Korean Peninsula, or tensions with Iran boil over, or the United States suffers a major terrorist attack.
A Pentagon-appointed panel recently concluded that the military would lack the forces to handle its current combat and stabilization operations if new crises emerged. |
| n/a |
Posted - 10/09/2004 : 09:16:21
Hey, question dodging Darwin! I want a totally obscure answer and I want it now! damnit!
I look like the kind of guy who pimps his sister not just for the money, but because he hates her
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| Jason |
Posted - 10/09/2004 : 08:50:03
"Have the Internet? You're Gonna Get Spam E-Mails and Spam Message Board Posts About How You're Gonna Get Drafted" |
| Ebb Vicious |
Posted - 10/09/2004 : 00:23:34
hey this thread is one of those draft rumours on the Internets bush was talking about. |
| darwin |
Posted - 10/09/2004 : 00:19:27
I did play Bossanova earlier this week and SMYT was played this afternoon. Thanks all. It was fun. |
| VoVat |
Posted - 10/08/2004 : 17:17:43
Sorry, but I put about as much stock in an article with "Dems" in the headline as I would one with "Japs" or "Krauts."
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Originally posted by Tre
I'm not sure which thread is more compelling, this one or the FB one
*flits between both*
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I look like the kind of guy who pimps his sister not just for the money, but because he hates her
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I'm happy to answer questions as long as they come in an orderly manner.
So, are YOU going to play any songs from Bossanova and Trompe Le Monde?
"Signature quotes are so lame." --Nathan |
| Erebus |
Posted - 10/08/2004 : 17:08:28
Thanks Tre. Now that I know you care, I'll just try to smile more.
As if on cue, here's that loathesome Clintonista McAuliffe sounding off on the draft. Knowing how sensitive you folks are, I simply can't understand how you tolerate trash like this guy.
http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewPolitics.asp?Page=\Politics\archive\200410\POL20041008b.html |
| n/a |
Posted - 10/08/2004 : 17:04:17
Auntie Chub hasn't met you yet, I can introduce you if you like, you won't like it though, she's got a *big* thing for Darwin
I care erebus, would you like me to send you a moisturiser and a young nubile type to indian head massage style rub it into your head thus bansishing unsightly frown lines?
I look like the kind of guy who pimps his sister not just for the money, but because he hates her
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| Erebus |
Posted - 10/08/2004 : 16:58:53
Hey Tre, what about my frown lines? My brain may be broken but I got a face too. Nobody ever cares about my frown lines. |
| n/a |
Posted - 10/08/2004 : 16:48:42
heh heh so Darwin, Auntie Chub as a lady of ample love worries about her man-harem being drafted. She's also worried this furious debate will be giving her favourite (thats you) frown lines, should she be concerned?
(ok I'll stop it now and go back to being an observor)
I look like the kind of guy who pimps his sister not just for the money, but because he hates her
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| darwin |
Posted - 10/08/2004 : 16:29:08
quote:
Originally posted by Tre
I'm not sure which thread is more compelling, this one or the FB one
*flits between both*
I look like the kind of guy who pimps his sister not just for the money, but because he hates her
I'm happy to answer questions as long as they come in an orderly manner. |
| n/a |
Posted - 10/08/2004 : 16:04:01
I'm not sure which thread is more compelling, this one or the FB one
*flits between both*
I look like the kind of guy who pimps his sister not just for the money, but because he hates her
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| Erebus |
Posted - 10/08/2004 : 15:47:41
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Originally posted by darwin
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Originally posted by Erebus
The officials want to minimize panic, right? The Feds can say what they want but the connection is made.
It's funny how political debators, of all persuasions, insist upon virtually ironclad arguments from their opponents while holding themselves to what amount to almost no standards at all. Politics makes liars and fools of us all,
So, you say X and claim that a link supports your contention. But, when someone checks your link and finds no support for X, you attack by saying others require too much of you but not enough of themselves. You've got some balls.
I may predicatably argue for the liberal side, but I think I hold a pretty high standard of trying to provide links and support for my arguements (that's the scientist in me). And I don't put much weight on opinions that aren't similarly supported with facts or evidence.
darwin, darwin, darwin. What "attack"? Please note that I include myself as the object of my chagrin over the state of political debate. Regarding the article, I was merely observing that, at least from my perspective, what the govt says about a suggestion of terrorist threat against schools is at best a benign lie.
I agree that you hold decent standards of argument, but when I point to an article that strongly suggests at least some Iraq-terrorism link, you seem to focus on govt protests that no such link exists. The reasons the govt might say this are obvious, to the point that their statements pass as nothing more than standard ass-covering boiler plate, but nonetheless it is this that serves as the thrust of your rejoinder. So, yes, I am taking this present discussion as an example of the sorry state of political discourse, but I do not exempt myself from the same criticism. My paragraph of resignation over the state of US politics was intended as a confession of what I expected to be taken as shared sadness, not as an attack. |
| darwin |
Posted - 10/08/2004 : 15:24:27
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Originally posted by Erebus
The officials want to minimize panic, right? The Feds can say what they want but the connection is made.
It's funny how political debators, of all persuasions, insist upon virtually ironclad arguments from their opponents while holding themselves to what amount to almost no standards at all. Politics makes liars and fools of us all,
So, you say X and claim that a link supports your contention. But, when someone checks your link and finds no support for X, you attack by saying others require too much of you but not enough of themselves. You've got some balls.
I may predicatably argue for the liberal side, but I think I hold a pretty high standard of trying to provide links and support for my arguements (that's the scientist in me). And I don't put much weight on opinions that aren't similarly supported with facts or evidence. |
| Erebus |
Posted - 10/08/2004 : 15:14:59
The officials want to minimize panic, right? The Feds can say what they want but the connection is made.
It's funny how political debators, of all persuasions, insist upon virtually ironclad arguments from their opponents while holding themselves to what amount to almost no standards at all. Politics makes liars and fools of us all, and recurrently makes armed conflict seem the only rational alternative. This election is less and less about who wins and more and more about what we have become as a nation. If the election were to be settled by rockfights in streets, it really would be no less incriminating of who we are. |
| BLT |
Posted - 10/08/2004 : 14:56:05
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Originally posted by darwin
What about that article gives you "no doubt of the Iraq-terrorism link"?
"It's not about schools, it's about policy," said FBI Agent William Evanina, spokesman for the FBI field office in Newark, N.J. "There's no terrorism threat to these schools."
Read between the lines, darwin. FBI Agent William Evanina is a lying Dem! |
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