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| coastline |
Posted - 12/30/2006 : 05:45:01
Is there really much to say about this? Good riddance, I guess.
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| danjersey |
Posted - 01/18/2007 : 19:55:19
yeah i don't know the truth and never read him but i watched "Quills" that night and did look up some to find that quote ripe for picking. |
| jediroller |
Posted - 01/18/2007 : 09:54:26
quote:
Originally posted by danjersey
"To kill a man in a paroxysm of passion is understandable, but to have him killed by someone else after calm and serious meditation and on the pretext of duty honourably discharged is incomprehensible" Donatien Alphonse Francois
... de Sade ?
free music | Blackolero | Frank Black & Pixies Tributes |
| kathryn |
Posted - 01/18/2007 : 07:54:58
I love how they fucked up the subsequent hanging.
I got some heaven in my head
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| Carl |
Posted - 01/17/2007 : 07:48:37
Yeah, that quote sums it up eloquently.
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| Newo |
Posted - 01/17/2007 : 06:30:25
shit nice quote Danj. Thatīs the way I feel about the variance between guys in parliaments and on podiums wearing faces of hotheaded righteous indignation and the wars they proselytise for which are organised methodically and coldbloodedly.
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| danjersey |
Posted - 01/14/2007 : 22:20:15
"To kill a man in a paroxysm of passion is understandable, but to have him killed by someone else after calm and serious meditation and on the pretext of duty honourably discharged is incomprehensible" Donatien Alphonse Francois |
| kathryn |
Posted - 01/14/2007 : 04:45:16
VV you're back!
Compelling reading by Scott Turow, of all people, in yesterday's Toronto Globe and Mail book section, of all places, about how this execution makes the ultimate case against state executions.
I got some heaven in my head
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| danjersey |
Posted - 01/13/2007 : 23:23:32
It looks like people hung another leader
I remember shots of saddam shooting his rifle
his palace.
he was'nt grinning when they brought him to the poles though
but he kept his legs.
these guys in masks
their faces not being shown
winning
and me watching
via telephone
without a thumb even to put him down. |
| darwin |
Posted - 01/13/2007 : 23:22:25
Welcome back Vovat |
| PixieSteve |
Posted - 01/13/2007 : 20:18:42
your mum did
FAST_MAN RAIDER_MAN - June 19th |
| VoVat |
Posted - 01/13/2007 : 19:42:33
I'm not opposed to the death penalty, but I don't think the justice system in an allegedly civilized country should be based on vengeance. You want to execute someone so there's no chance of their getting back out on the streets, fine. But there wasn't much chance of that happening with Saddam, was there? And I don't think the deterrent argument that conservatives seem to love comes into play here either. It's not like Saddam's execution is likely to prevent future dictators.
So I don't know that it was necessary, but I don't feel bad for the guy either. If anyone deserved execution, he did.
"If you doze much longer, then life turns to dreaming. If you doze much longer, then dreams turn to nightmares." |
| starmekitten |
Posted - 01/08/2007 : 12:46:52
The whole thing is totally hideous.
Idiot. |
| Newo |
Posted - 01/08/2007 : 06:30:21
you just canīt trust people armed with fighter jets, clusterbombs and white phosphorus anymore. whatīs this world coming to?
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| kathryn |
Posted - 01/08/2007 : 05:21:11
Owen, the taunting is a no-no because it's yet another indicator of the faiure of U.S. policy -- instead of setting up a government with an interest in democracy, the U.S. put in charge the formerly oppressed. They, in turn, are more interested in revenge and payback than on justice and democracy. When they're all over youtube taunting Hussein, it kinda doesn't look like the US did a good job replacing him with a democracy, you know?
I got some heaven in my head
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| Newo |
Posted - 01/08/2007 : 04:15:34
strangling somebody is okay but taunting them isnīt? I missed that meeting.
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| Carl |
Posted - 01/03/2007 : 09:31:10
quote:
Originally posted by coastline
quote:
Originally posted by whoreatthedoor
Sometimes this site scares me.
Care to elaborate?
 Boo!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/6238115.stm
Saddam scenes 'deplored' by Brown
Gordon Brown has condemned as "deplorable" the way in which Saddam Hussein's execution was conducted.
The chancellor told BBC One's Sunday AM the manner of the former Iraqi leader's hanging was "completely unacceptable".
Mr Brown, whose comments come after mobile phone footage of the hanging showed Saddam Hussein being taunted, said he was against the death penalty.
Deputy PM John Prescott has already condemned the scenes as deplorable, but Tony Blair has yet to comment.
Mr Brown said: "Now that we know the full picture of what happened, we can sum this up as a deplorable set of events.
"It is something, of course, which the Iraqi government has now expressed its anxiety and shame at.
"It has done nothing to lessen tensions between the Shia and Sunni communities."
He added: "Even those people unlike me who are in favour of capital punishment found this completely unacceptable and I am pleased that there is now an inquiry into this and I hope lessons in this area will be learnt, as we learn other lessons about Iraq."
On Wednesday the Iraqi government began an inquiry into the unofficial footage, which appeared on the internet hours after the execution.
Iraqi PM Nouri Maliki has also said his government could review relations with any country which criticised the execution of ex-leader Saddam Hussein.
He said the hanging was a "domestic affair" for the benefit of Iraq's unity.
Shia slogans
Last week Mr Prescott, in charge of the country while the prime minister was on holiday, also described the filming of the execution as "deplorable".
Mr Blair has said he will speak about the 30 December execution next week, although Downing Street said the PM supported an Iraqi investigation into the hanging.
A spokeswoman said that Mr Blair will say something about the execution at "a time of his choosing".
BBC political correspondent Laura Kuenssberg said Mr Brown's comment "not only pre-empts Tony Blair but also sort of boxes him into a corner".
The prime minister's silence has already prompted the Liberal Democrats to question his leadership, she said.
Education Secretary and deputy leadership candidate Alan Johnson told the Observer he also had concerns about the way the execution was carried out.
"I agree with John Prescott's remarks about the way it was handled and I am an opponent of the death penalty.
"But it was a matter for the Iraqi people to make that judgment.
"What happened at the end shouldn't detract from the terrible crimes that Saddam committed."
Initial Iraqi government film showed Saddam being executed in a relatively dignified manner, however mobile phone footage emerged showing Saddam - a Sunni - being taunted with Shia slogans.
Following Mr Brown's remarks, Liberal Democrat leader Sir Menzies Campbell said: "The prime minister's continuing silence is deafening.
"His unwillingness to condemn the shameful scenes surrounding Saddam Hussein's execution does him no credit." |
| kathryn |
Posted - 01/02/2007 : 19:21:46
quote:
Originally posted by Carolynanna
his final letter;
"I call on you not to hate because hate does not leave a space for a person to be fair and it makes you blind and closes all doors of thinking," he wrote.
That's gonna be my new forum sig! Thanks, Fofanna!
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| coastline |
Posted - 01/02/2007 : 12:42:43
quote:
Originally posted by whoreatthedoor
Sometimes this site scares me.
Care to elaborate?
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| Carolynanna |
Posted - 01/02/2007 : 09:51:53
Thanks Dean.
That was very enlightening.
Sounds like he would've been good if he could've stayed second in command. Narcissism & ego always seem to get in the way.
Its interesting that in all the news items I've read not one said this of his final letter;
"I call on you not to hate because hate does not leave a space for a person to be fair and it makes you blind and closes all doors of thinking," he wrote.
He also called on Iraqis not to hate the people of the countries that had driven him from power.
In fact it seemed the exact opposite was reported.
Either way...
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| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 01/02/2007 : 09:23:13
A bio of the man:
http://www.canada.com/saskatoonstarphoenix/news/world/story.html?id=2a1eda6f-2f1b-4394-afda-2896b61c25a2&p=1
 "Now you're officially my woman. Kudos. I can't say I don't envy you." |
| whoreatthedoor |
Posted - 01/02/2007 : 01:23:40
Sometimes this site scares me.
This time we ride roller coasters into the ocean
We feel no emotion as we spiral down to the world |
| Erebus |
Posted - 12/31/2006 : 22:39:48
Just a student of the wind, a slow learner as it were.
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| Carl |
Posted - 12/31/2006 : 14:15:53
To use the old cliche, I didn't shed any tears...but I don't see the point in people wallowing in it and sating their bloodlust...especially people who weren't affected by him outside of the Middle East. Just looking at some of the tabloid headlines today...'Hung With His Own Rope' 'You Could Hear His Neck Break', etc. I mean, are we still living in the Dark Ages?!
 Merry Christmas! |
| Crispy Water |
Posted - 12/31/2006 : 11:41:44
Thanks to kathryn, Daisy, and darwin for those excerpts. That sounds like exactly what I heard, just more detailed. Good to have confirmation on such claims.
Cole's comment about this violating Iraqi law interested me. Makes me think about whether such laws should be static or shifting with the prevailing doctrine.
I do question Tavernise's assertion that the country is living Hussein's legacy: how can one claim an untainted picture of his legacy when such powerful external influences brought him down? It seems to me the invasion and occupation have served as much baking soda on Hussein's vinegar.
As far as my previous comment about the timing, I'm not sure how to transmit sardonica on a computer, but I was aware of the reported violence.
Nothing is ever something. |
| Carolynanna |
Posted - 12/31/2006 : 11:28:04
Morbid curiosity for us westerners.
To make sure he's really dead for the Iraqis.
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For Chrissakes have a cup of tea. |
| coastline |
Posted - 12/31/2006 : 11:26:41
Who doesn't have a little morbid curiosity?
Is that a real poncho or is that a Sears poncho? |
| starmekitten |
Posted - 12/31/2006 : 11:02:49
Why would anyone watch that?
Idiot. |
| coastline |
Posted - 12/31/2006 : 06:05:59
According to the Drudge Report, which is where I found that link, it's a cellphone video. I guess that much was probably obvious. But I suspect the video was taken on the sly, because it's probably not within the law, so to speak, to be shooting personal video at Iraqi presidents' hangings.
Is that a real poncho or is that a Sears poncho? |
| Newo |
Posted - 12/31/2006 : 04:48:45
donīt worry, Iīm sure theyīll do their hanging on pay-per-view soon so you wonīt miss a thing.
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| mantaraysallright |
Posted - 12/30/2006 : 23:50:48
that was terrible...camera work. I couldn't even see what was going on. |
| ProverbialCereal |
Posted - 12/30/2006 : 21:22:43
Wow.. that was chilling indeed.
Was the camera operator being hung as well? Because that camera work sucked. |
| coastline |
Posted - 12/30/2006 : 21:11:28
Here it is. It's rather chilling.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7532034279766935521
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| ProverbialCereal |
Posted - 12/30/2006 : 21:05:20
So i guess the video of his hanging isn't on YouTube yet... |
| darwin |
Posted - 12/30/2006 : 17:37:26
From Juan Cole
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2006/12/30/saddam/?source=whitelist
"The tribunal also had a unique sense of timing when choosing the day for Saddam's hanging. It was a slap in the face to Sunni Arabs. This weekend marks Eid al-Adha, the Holy Day of Sacrifice, on which Muslims commemorate the willingness of Abraham to sacrifice his son for God. Shiites celebrate it Sunday. Sunnis celebrate it Saturday - and Iraqi law forbids executing the condemned on a major holiday. Hanging Saddam on Saturday was perceived by Sunni Arabs as the act of a Shiite government that had accepted the Shiite ritual calendar." |
| Daisy Girl |
Posted - 12/30/2006 : 16:42:55
Crispy, that's a good point. I think your friend was refering to the Hajj.
I found this excerpt from an article:
"However, Saudi Arabia expressed irritation Saddam was executed during the hajj _ particularly on the first day of Eid al-Adha, the biggest Islamic holiday. Saudi authorities always worry the annual hajj _ attended this year by nearly three million pilgrims from around the world _ could see an eruption of political protests.
'It is a cause of surprise and disappointment that the death sentence was implemented on the first day of Eid, which is supposed to embody unity for Muslims,' the Saudi state news agency SUNA said in an editorial."
But to your point Kathryn- I had to go out of my way to find it- after doing a google news search under "hajj." I wouldn't have normally seen it because it was reported by the Canadian media.
Very interesting indeed.
Now if only the major networks and CNN would start covering the aftermath of Saddam's hanging vs. President Ford's funeral....
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