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Cheeseman1000 Posted - 03/17/2006 : 02:06:58
So is this a good for film or not?

Arguments For:
- It's beautifully shot
- The soundtrack is great
- The fact that nothing much happens goes so much against the grain that its difficult for people to get their heads around
- Its subtly, and really well-acted
- It has Scarlett Johannsson

Arguments Against:
- Nothing happens
- Therefore, the film is a triumph of style and substance
- It's predictable and contrived
- Pretty? It's just shots of the city at night and Scarlett Johannsson looking pensive
- It has Scarlett Johannsson

(Thanks to a certain forum member for certain arguments)


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Team Zissou Posted - 03/27/2006 : 06:14:58
Good film and the fact some people don't like it makes it better than good!
Brackish Girl Posted - 03/20/2006 : 12:43:30
i thought, before i saw it, that i would hate it. i didn't like johannson or coppola's previous stuff, i just went to it to see bill murray. i kinda liked it. it was nice. it kind of gave a sense of security. i have no idea how. plus it has the best soundtrack ever. when they were in the taxi during 'sometimes'! magic.
soooooooo... good movie.
billgoodman Posted - 03/20/2006 : 12:21:15
I liked the movie, but it doesn't live up to it's hype

still, good movie! Maybe a great one, have to watch it again


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God save the Noisies
kathryn Posted - 03/20/2006 : 09:51:13
quote:
Originally posted by darwin

I think it is thought provoking. Many women (not all) seem to really like the movie. Why is that? Do women respond positively to the older man, younger woman theme? Is there something about Murray's character that makes him appealing (or is just Bill Murray that is appealing)? Would it have been less appealing to women if two main characters had slept with each other?



I really liked the movie. And not because it had the older man, younger woman theme. What appealed to me most is the obvious touch of a female director (though I could see floop taking exception with such a statement). I like how lushly it was filmed. I didn't find Bill Murray's character particularly appealing. What I liked the most was Scarlett whose last name I can't spell correctly. I found her so adorable in a, for me, non-sexual way. She totally made the movie for me.

And, yeah, older men are hot hot hot. But the relationship portrayed in the movie didn't strike me as particularly sexual. For one thing, he seemed more interested in moping and having his little midlife crisis than in nailing the woman.



I got some heaven in my head
darwin Posted - 03/20/2006 : 09:18:59
I think it is thought provoking. Many women (not all) seem to really like the movie. Why is that? Do women respond positively to the older man, younger woman theme? Is there something about Murray's character that makes him appealing (or is just Bill Murray that is appealing)? Would it have been less appealing to women if two main characters had slept with each other?
zub_the_goat Posted - 03/20/2006 : 07:43:54
I really liked it-I dont see why its seen as arty though-no real underlying messages from what i can see, the storyline felt apathetic like the lead characters-nothing was happening in their lives thats why they latched on to each other, and i enjoyed watching that, it was simple and quite beautiful.
Stevio10 Posted - 03/18/2006 : 12:14:10
I think that directors/writers etc have the right to make whatever films they like, whether they be arty indulgent tosh or steven seagal trash. I think with Lost in Translation, for me anyway, there was nothing to take away from it. I watched it and it served its purpose, I didnt think about it for hours afterwards, there was nothing to think about. It was the same watching sin city, the movie served its purpose. Thought provoking not really. Entertaining...certainly. I have no opinion whether I like them or not, they are what they are, they serve their purpose then theyre just throwaway trash for the mind.
Cult_Of_Frank Posted - 03/18/2006 : 09:55:32
Yes, yes, to la premiere frog you listen!


"If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominos will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate."
offerw Posted - 03/18/2006 : 03:24:18
Yes, Bill Murray was good in this one.
I really liked the film.
Just too much hype.

wilhelm
Frog in the Sand Posted - 03/18/2006 : 03:01:43
A movie starring Bill Murray can't be a bad movie.

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Homers_pet_monkey Posted - 03/18/2006 : 02:19:43
quote:
Originally posted by Cheeseman1000

quote:
Originally posted by Homers_pet_monkey

quote:
Originally posted by Newo




I liked it, it was a gentle film.

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Gravy boat! Stay in the now!



That's pretty much how I feel.


I'd walk her everyday, into a shady place


You there! Use your vote!


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Sorry, good film.


I'd walk her everyday, into a shady place
Ziggy Posted - 03/18/2006 : 00:48:34
Yeah, I enjoyed it too.
VoVat Posted - 03/17/2006 : 20:34:48
I don't know that I LOVED it or anything, but I'd say it's definitely a good film.



"If you doze much longer, then life turns to dreaming. If you doze much longer, then dreams turn to nightmares."
darwin Posted - 03/17/2006 : 10:01:10
First half of the film I felt the way kitty did: nothing happening. By the end I thought it was a good film.
floop Posted - 03/17/2006 : 09:11:57
how can you consciously contemplate, when there's no debate
The Holiday Son Posted - 03/17/2006 : 07:49:08
not a good film (not really bad but definitely not good)
Monsieur Posted - 03/17/2006 : 07:31:12
good is the new bad


I will show you fear in a handful of dust
cassandra is Posted - 03/17/2006 : 07:29:52
good bad film




pas de bras pas de chocolat
Llamadance Posted - 03/17/2006 : 07:17:34
good film.


That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable.

Monsieur Posted - 03/17/2006 : 07:04:39
quote:
Originally posted by floop

it's good to see that she's expanding her repertoire with her next film, about being a troubled teenage girl.



lost in translation is highly overrated



It has something to do with the troubled teenage girls' monthly budget for movies, I think.


I will show you fear in a handful of dust
floop Posted - 03/17/2006 : 07:01:27
it's good to see that she's expanding her repertoire with her next film, about being a troubled teenage girl.



lost in translation is highly overrated. i'd rather watch a Jim Jarmusch film, or a Wong Kar Wai film, or any of the other people she tried to rip off..
vilainde Posted - 03/17/2006 : 06:48:01
Are you turning japanese Monsieur? I really think so.


Denis

I love Guitar Wolf from the Erath!
Monsieur Posted - 03/17/2006 : 06:44:54
quote:
Originally posted by cassandra is

And the jokes upon japanese culture are just a bunch of bad stereotypes, which isn't enough to make me laugh.




It is not about Japan at all. It's the inner Japan we all have in us.


I will show you fear in a handful of dust
Cult_Of_Frank Posted - 03/17/2006 : 06:30:31
That feeling of isolation/boredom/whatever you get when watching it, to me, is the greatest thing about the movie. You feel like you're there.


"If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominos will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate."
Cheeseman1000 Posted - 03/17/2006 : 06:06:21
quote:
Originally posted by Homers_pet_monkey

quote:
Originally posted by Newo




I liked it, it was a gentle film.

--


Gravy boat! Stay in the now!



That's pretty much how I feel.


I'd walk her everyday, into a shady place


You there! Use your vote!


I have joined the Cult Of Frank/And I have dearly paid
Monsieur Posted - 03/17/2006 : 05:53:52
good film


I will show you fear in a handful of dust
remig Posted - 03/17/2006 : 05:29:06
good film
Homers_pet_monkey Posted - 03/17/2006 : 04:53:50
quote:
Originally posted by Newo




I liked it, it was a gentle film.

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Gravy boat! Stay in the now!



That's pretty much how I feel.


I'd walk her everyday, into a shady place
vilainde Posted - 03/17/2006 : 03:36:19
lol

vilainde (that's me): good film


Denis

I love Guitar Wolf from the Erath!
PixieSteve Posted - 03/17/2006 : 03:29:50
if you didn't notice, your names are next to your posts already..


starmekitten Posted - 03/17/2006 : 03:28:35
starmekitten votes: bad film
PixieSteve Posted - 03/17/2006 : 03:26:40
good film


Cheeseman1000 Posted - 03/17/2006 : 03:25:42
I'm going back to just chairing, my mind is too filled with 8-digit numbers to properly make my point, given that I'm ineloquent at the best of times.
So. A poll.

You have one vote from two options, use it wisely. Lost In Translation: good film or bad film?

Cheeseman1000 votes: good film


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starmekitten Posted - 03/17/2006 : 03:20:10
The main difference between Romeo and Juliet and Lost in Translation is, to my mind, that Romeo and Juliet is what it is and it makes no bones about it. The story is flawed but it doesn't pretend to be otherwise, Romeo is emo and fickle and flighty and the two young lovers are young and idealistic and a bit daft. As a stylistic excercise in this version it is pulled off very well because it is totall overblown and out there.

Lost in Translation almost pretends to be something it isn't. It's a story of two lonely people trying to make a connection, fine. But instead of doing this sublty as suggested I think it is as emotionally manipulative as any blockbuster that sells. The undefined feeling between the two leads feels false to me. The arty wandering around face-with-awe scenes don't resonate. It's trying to be something instead of just being which is why I think it's stupid.
Newo Posted - 03/17/2006 : 03:16:17
Why donīt we all just lighten the tone and talk about abortion?

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Gravy boat! Stay in the now!

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