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| Cheeseman1000 |
Posted - 08/29/2005 : 15:17:52
I was originally going to post some of Morrissey's lyrics under 'Lyrics As Comedy', but that wouldn't help I don't think...
Lets get us in the mood for a debate:
Heifer whines could be human cries, closer comes the screaming knife,
This beautiful creature must die.
A death for no reason, and death for no reason is MURDER.
And the flesh you so fancifully fry, is not succulent, tasty or nice...
And the calf that you carve with a smile is MURDER...
And the turkey you festively slice is MURDER...
I tend to disagree with Morrissey here, funnily enough.
I'm happy as a meat-eater, but I've done my research and I check the provenance of my meat now. I come from a farming background (in case any of you try to lecture me on slaughtering techniques), so I'm just as used to seeing animals butchered on the kitchen table as I am seeing the runt of the litter in the plate-warmer of the oven to try and revive it. I know what happens in you friendly neighbourhood abbatoir, and I have come to the conclusion that the death of the animal is not the thing to be up in arms about.
What outrages me is the condition in which many animals are kept to supply the 'economy' meat market, its really quite shocking. You don't want to know how cheap sausages are made...
Anyway, I figure that we're both better served by the animal having a happier life, as the meat is a lot better and tastier too. The problem is, people are not willing to pay that little extra, or eat meat a little less often, in order to ensure a happy life for the animal. One theorist (your man Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall) suggests placing videos of the way the meat was produced on the relevant supermarket aisles - the bottom would fall out of the low-cost market in weeks.
What are you views on eating meat? I know there are a few hardcore veggies here, and one or two apathetic meat-eaters. Explain yourselves!
How's that for a slice of fried gold? |
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| VoVat |
Posted - 09/04/2005 : 14:28:54
Maybe you should just start raising livestock in your home.
I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied. |
| Cheeseman1000 |
Posted - 09/04/2005 : 14:01:53
I would actually worry for the sanity more of people that didn't like meat than people who didn't eat it for ethical reasons. Whatever Le Moz says, it is succulent, tasty and nice.
I'll be honest, my plan to be ethically sound when purchasing meat has turned out to be more difficult than first expected. For example, its easy enough to buy free-range chicken or premium beef (much more likely to have been treated better, although not guaranteed), but its a minefield out there. My usual lunch is a chicken escalope in pitta from the deli: how do I know where that's come from? If I've run out of bacon and fancy a bacon sandwich, I can nip downstairs and get some bacon from the corner shop, but where's that come from?
I wish I had a decent butchers shop within reach, that would make things alot better. The meat would be better as well, more succulent, more tasty, more nicerer.
How's that for a slice of fried gold? |
| VoVat |
Posted - 09/04/2005 : 13:22:01
I wouldn't say someone who eats fish is a vegetarian. There are many reasons why someone would eat fish and no other meat (health reasons, religious reasons, a particular hatred for fish), so I'm not knocking that diet. I just think it's ridiculous for such a person to consider him/herself a vegetarian.
I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied. |
| starmekitten |
Posted - 09/04/2005 : 12:47:47
the very same
four weeks my friend, four weeks. |
| Surfer Rosa |
Posted - 09/04/2005 : 12:46:31
Is that the batshit mental housemate that marker pens the dates onto eggs?
Fire made it good. |
| starmekitten |
Posted - 09/04/2005 : 12:41:11
My housemate goes batshit mental if I refer to her as a vegetarian because she eats fish. However, I cannot be bothered explaining that she doesn't eat meat except fish not out of principle but because she doesn't like the taste of meat. Way easier to say vegetarian. Way easier to mock vegetarians than someone who doesn't eat meat except for fish not out of principle but because she doesn't like the taste of meat. |
| Surfer Rosa |
Posted - 09/04/2005 : 12:11:29
quote:
Originally posted by Superabounder
I enjoy meat and I felt true pain when the lion in Madagascar was trying to deny his urges and not eat his friends. That was before the penguins came up with the perfect plan for him: sushi.
All of the true things I am about to tell you are shameless lies
The penguins were way too cool in that movie.
I have to admit I don't understand vegetarians that eat fish - to me that's someone who doesn't eat meat - not a vegetarian.
Fire made it good. |
| VoVat |
Posted - 09/04/2005 : 12:09:48
Meat or vegetable sushi? (I've never seen the movie.)
I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied. |
| Superabounder |
Posted - 09/04/2005 : 10:29:42
I enjoy meat and I felt true pain when the lion in Madagascar was trying to deny his urges and not eat his friends. That was before the penguins came up with the perfect plan for him: sushi.
All of the true things I am about to tell you are shameless lies |
| VoVat |
Posted - 09/02/2005 : 18:20:47
I'm not sure, but this is what I was referencing.
I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied. |
| kathryn |
Posted - 09/02/2005 : 17:50:42
quote:
Originally posted by VoVat
eating murder marinated in sin
Where do I sign up?
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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| VoVat |
Posted - 09/02/2005 : 16:37:13
When I was Hell King, we'd feast on the souls of gluttons. It was like eating murder marinated in sin.
I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied. |
| starmekitten |
Posted - 09/02/2005 : 10:34:11
I meant I couldn't go to nandos and eat chicken because the vegetarian options were blah....
selfish vegetarians. |
| kathryn |
Posted - 09/02/2005 : 10:28:48
quote:
Originally posted by starmekitten
all I know is going to lunch with a vegetarian is a serious pain
The only bad thing about being a vegetarian is that sometimes people think (I'm not saying you're saying this about me, kitty) that all vegetarians are difficult -- that we're all like the attention-queens who give little lectures or, worse, make a big show of their vegetarianism or their need to eat only certain stuff.
To them I say, "Bring a vegetarian dish to the bbq or eat whatever non-meat food is there. Most of all, shut up."
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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| floop |
Posted - 09/02/2005 : 10:17:51
quote:
Originally posted by starmekitten
all I know is going to lunch with a vegetarian is a serious pain
dating one can be difficult too (speaking of past relationships) |
| starmekitten |
Posted - 09/02/2005 : 10:03:20
all I know is going to lunch with a vegetarian is a serious pain |
| Carolynanna |
Posted - 09/02/2005 : 09:10:15
Murder tastes pretty damn good.
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Don't believe the hype. |
| kathryn |
Posted - 09/02/2005 : 04:10:15
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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| Cheeseman1000 |
Posted - 09/02/2005 : 01:23:54
Tell it to the Moz!
How's that for a slice of fried gold? |
| VoVat |
Posted - 09/01/2005 : 17:55:39
I have no problem with eating meat, but I can understand some vegetarian arguments. I mean, I guess it is somewhat cruel to kill another living thing for food, but then, isn't that what a lot of animals do in the wild? Aren't we naturally inclined to eat both meat and vegetables?
Really, while I eat a fair amount of meat, I'm more into bread, fruit, and dairy products. I've known some people who were just totally obsessed with meat, and I don't go that far. I mean, I like steak pretty well (especially in cheese steak form), but it's not my favorite food or anything.
By the way, in my Criminal Law class, I learned that the definition of murder is "the intentional killing of another human being with malice." By this definition, meat isn't murder. That has no bearing on whether it's right or wrong, though.
I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied. |
| 50 Pence |
Posted - 08/30/2005 : 18:16:58
I love all kinds of meat, the more blood the better.
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| One Who Hath Swum |
Posted - 08/30/2005 : 13:16:00
...in the kitchen with a wrench!
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http://www.fournineproductions.com/musicpage.html I joined the cult of me. |
| Carolynanna |
Posted - 08/30/2005 : 09:28:01
Ahhh it was the bannock bison burgers that did the frog in.
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Don't believe the hype. |
| floop |
Posted - 08/30/2005 : 09:10:51
Vermont makes good ice cream and maple syrup, but their beer could use some work |
| kathryn |
Posted - 08/30/2005 : 09:08:58
quote:
Originally posted by Frog in the Sand
quote:
Originally posted by kathryn
Well, well well, what have you two been up to in the last few of minutes? Is this the new forum glamor couple, The Frog and C?
She seduced me with a juicy, organic French-Canadian moose steak. And a batch of bad maple syrup.
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When will Lyle Workman find Frank again?
I bet she did, the hussy.
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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| Frog in the Sand |
Posted - 08/30/2005 : 09:06:44
quote:
Originally posted by kathryn
Well, well well, what have you two been up to in the last few of minutes? Is this the new forum glamor couple, The Frog and C?
She seduced me with a juicy, organic French-Canadian moose steak.
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When will Lyle Workman find Frank again? |
| kathryn |
Posted - 08/30/2005 : 08:27:32
Depends who the plus one is.
I hear he is all kinds of cute.
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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| Cheeseman1000 |
Posted - 08/30/2005 : 08:26:50
I thought Tre plus one other was the new glamour couple?
How's that for a slice of fried gold? |
| kathryn |
Posted - 08/30/2005 : 08:20:17
Well, well well, what have you two been up to in the last few of minutes? Is this the new forum glamor couple, The Frog and C?
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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| Carolynanna |
Posted - 08/30/2005 : 08:17:40
and crappy maple syrup...
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Don't believe the hype. |
| Frog in the Sand |
Posted - 08/30/2005 : 08:15:25
I meant Vermont moose steaks! Even froggies know that Vermont is full of mooses (and commies).
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When will Lyle Workman find Frank again? |
| Carolynanna |
Posted - 08/30/2005 : 08:09:25
quote:
Originally posted by benji
i think it would be so much better is it was like on the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy (well actually, the restaraunt at the end of the universe) where the cow was genetically modified to speak to the diner, asking which bit of him (or her) the diner wanted to eat, and the pros and cons for each bit.
poor arthur ordered a salad. pathetic man.
"My Doctor says that I have a malformed public-duty gland and a natural deficiency in moral fibre, and that I am therefore excused from saving Universes."
|Arthur Dent|
Hehe, like the pig on the simpson's episode in the garden of eden (baby;)
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Don't believe the hype. |
| kathryn |
Posted - 08/30/2005 : 08:02:21
You mean Vermont bison steaks.
Big story in today's paper on the bison farm down the (dirt) road for me. The story includes
bison recipes.
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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| Frog in the Sand |
Posted - 08/30/2005 : 07:57:15
quote:
Originally posted by kathryn
Simon, you make some good points.
Alrighty confession time.
While I have moral concerns and visceral reactions to how animals are raised and slaughtered, the main reason I've been veg since 1982 is my dislike of the taste of meat.
You mean I'll have to cook my Vermont moose steaks myself?
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When will Lyle Workman find Frank again? |
| benji |
Posted - 08/30/2005 : 06:54:00
i think it would be so much better is it was like on the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy (well actually, the restaraunt at the end of the universe) where the cow was genetically modified to speak to the diner, asking which bit of him (or her) the diner wanted to eat, and the pros and cons for each bit.
poor arthur ordered a salad. pathetic man.
"My Doctor says that I have a malformed public-duty gland and a natural deficiency in moral fibre, and that I am therefore excused from saving Universes."
|Arthur Dent|
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