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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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 Posted - 08/29/2005 : 15:17:52
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I was originally going to post some of Morrissey's lyrics under 'Lyrics As Comedy', but that wouldn't help I don't think...
Lets get us in the mood for a debate:
Heifer whines could be human cries, closer comes the screaming knife,
This beautiful creature must die.
A death for no reason, and death for no reason is MURDER.
And the flesh you so fancifully fry, is not succulent, tasty or nice...
And the calf that you carve with a smile is MURDER...
And the turkey you festively slice is MURDER...
I tend to disagree with Morrissey here, funnily enough.
I'm happy as a meat-eater, but I've done my research and I check the provenance of my meat now. I come from a farming background (in case any of you try to lecture me on slaughtering techniques), so I'm just as used to seeing animals butchered on the kitchen table as I am seeing the runt of the litter in the plate-warmer of the oven to try and revive it. I know what happens in you friendly neighbourhood abbatoir, and I have come to the conclusion that the death of the animal is not the thing to be up in arms about.
What outrages me is the condition in which many animals are kept to supply the 'economy' meat market, its really quite shocking. You don't want to know how cheap sausages are made...
Anyway, I figure that we're both better served by the animal having a happier life, as the meat is a lot better and tastier too. The problem is, people are not willing to pay that little extra, or eat meat a little less often, in order to ensure a happy life for the animal. One theorist (your man Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall) suggests placing videos of the way the meat was produced on the relevant supermarket aisles - the bottom would fall out of the low-cost market in weeks.
What are you views on eating meat? I know there are a few hardcore veggies here, and one or two apathetic meat-eaters. Explain yourselves!
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
2674 Posts |
Posted - 08/29/2005 : 15:34:37
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I don't like eating meat cause the blood in my gums rises to meet it when I chew, I got this coppery taste and the feeling like too much of a predator. I read an interview with Credo Mutwa, the Zulu historian and he said the decendants of the cannibals reported that they preferred to chase the people they killed cause the meat tasted better, the way we round up and exterminate animals it is the same, it doesn't even make sense on a practical basis for the person to consume so much fearful energies.
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 15:45:03
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misleadtheworld
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1222 Posts |
Posted - 08/29/2005 : 15:46:18
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I personally don't eat meat that much- mainly because I'm currently a student struggling in London. Pasta it is, then.
The only meat I enjoy eating is good chicken and good bacon. I dislike pretty much every other form of meat there is.
I have nothing against people eating poor, defenceless animals; likewise, I have nothing against people eating poor, defenceless vegetables. It's all there, it all tastes good to someone. As long as they don't exploit it and/or treat it badly (I've seen some carrots stored in horrific conditions) then I've no beef.
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 08/29/2005 : 15:49:16
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| A close friend of mine who's living in Galway has that same student pasta diet, mislead! :) |
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
2674 Posts |
Posted - 08/29/2005 : 15:51:52
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I had a Koka noodles, mint tea and pot diet for a couple years in college. It's called the ZZZ Plan.
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 08/29/2005 : 15:54:04
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Simon, you make some good points.
Alrighty confession time.
While I have moral concerns and visceral reactions to how animals are raised and slaughtered, the main reason I've been veg since 1982 is my dislike of the taste of meat.
Sleazy as it sounds, if I craved meat my moral beliefs would go out the window and I'd eat as I pleased.
Let the rotten tomatoes fly.
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
2674 Posts |
Posted - 08/29/2005 : 16:01:26
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If people want to eat meat that's fine with me, I think they should kill it themselves though.
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 08/29/2005 : 16:08:39
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Originally posted by Cheeseman1000
One theorist (your man Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall) suggests placing videos of the way the meat was produced on the relevant supermarket aisles - the bottom would fall out of the low-cost market in weeks.
How's that for a slice of fried gold?
You reckon? I am not so sure. I don't share your faith in the general public. They are very good at turning a blind eye if it means they keep their routine AND save money.
 I'd walk her everyday, into a shady place
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HeywoodJablome
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 08/30/2005 : 00:56:31
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| What you say is a sad and true HPM. I was a veggie for about three years but unfortunately I like meat and it's taste so I didn't last, Kathryn is lucky in that respect. But I must admit, when I started eating meat again after those three years, I had a lot more energy and felt much better in general. However I do have much respect for people who make a genuine attempt at cutting out animal products from their diets. My cat reminds me of that every day the bitch! |
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benji
> Teenager of the Year <
New Zealand
3426 Posts |
Posted - 08/30/2005 : 06:54:00
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i think it would be so much better is it was like on the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy (well actually, the restaraunt at the end of the universe) where the cow was genetically modified to speak to the diner, asking which bit of him (or her) the diner wanted to eat, and the pros and cons for each bit.
poor arthur ordered a salad. pathetic man.
"My Doctor says that I have a malformed public-duty gland and a natural deficiency in moral fibre, and that I am therefore excused from saving Universes."
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Frog in the Sand
-+ Le premiere frog +-
France
2715 Posts |
Posted - 08/30/2005 : 07:57:15
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Originally posted by kathryn
Simon, you make some good points.
Alrighty confession time.
While I have moral concerns and visceral reactions to how animals are raised and slaughtered, the main reason I've been veg since 1982 is my dislike of the taste of meat.
You mean I'll have to cook my Vermont moose steaks myself?
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 08/30/2005 : 08:02:21
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You mean Vermont bison steaks.
Big story in today's paper on the bison farm down the (dirt) road for me. The story includes
bison recipes.
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 08/30/2005 : 08:09:25
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Originally posted by benji
i think it would be so much better is it was like on the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy (well actually, the restaraunt at the end of the universe) where the cow was genetically modified to speak to the diner, asking which bit of him (or her) the diner wanted to eat, and the pros and cons for each bit.
poor arthur ordered a salad. pathetic man.
"My Doctor says that I have a malformed public-duty gland and a natural deficiency in moral fibre, and that I am therefore excused from saving Universes."
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Hehe, like the pig on the simpson's episode in the garden of eden (baby;)
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Frog in the Sand
-+ Le premiere frog +-
France
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Posted - 08/30/2005 : 08:15:25
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I meant Vermont moose steaks! Even froggies know that Vermont is full of mooses (and commies).
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 08/30/2005 : 08:17:40
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and crappy maple syrup...
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Don't believe the hype. |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 08/30/2005 : 08:20:17
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Well, well well, what have you two been up to in the last few of minutes? Is this the new forum glamor couple, The Frog and C?
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
Posted - 08/30/2005 : 08:26:50
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I thought Tre plus one other was the new glamour couple?
How's that for a slice of fried gold? |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 08/30/2005 : 08:27:32
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Depends who the plus one is.
I hear he is all kinds of cute.
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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Frog in the Sand
-+ Le premiere frog +-
France
2715 Posts |
Posted - 08/30/2005 : 09:06:44
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quote:
Originally posted by kathryn
Well, well well, what have you two been up to in the last few of minutes? Is this the new forum glamor couple, The Frog and C?
She seduced me with a juicy, organic French-Canadian moose steak.
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 08/30/2005 : 09:08:58
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Originally posted by Frog in the Sand
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Originally posted by kathryn
Well, well well, what have you two been up to in the last few of minutes? Is this the new forum glamor couple, The Frog and C?
She seduced me with a juicy, organic French-Canadian moose steak. And a batch of bad maple syrup.
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When will Lyle Workman find Frank again?
I bet she did, the hussy.
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 08/30/2005 : 09:10:51
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| Vermont makes good ice cream and maple syrup, but their beer could use some work |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 08/30/2005 : 09:28:01
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Ahhh it was the bannock bison burgers that did the frog in.
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One Who Hath Swum
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50 Pence
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
284 Posts |
Posted - 08/30/2005 : 18:16:58
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I love all kinds of meat, the more blood the better.
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 09/01/2005 : 17:55:39
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I have no problem with eating meat, but I can understand some vegetarian arguments. I mean, I guess it is somewhat cruel to kill another living thing for food, but then, isn't that what a lot of animals do in the wild? Aren't we naturally inclined to eat both meat and vegetables?
Really, while I eat a fair amount of meat, I'm more into bread, fruit, and dairy products. I've known some people who were just totally obsessed with meat, and I don't go that far. I mean, I like steak pretty well (especially in cheese steak form), but it's not my favorite food or anything.
By the way, in my Criminal Law class, I learned that the definition of murder is "the intentional killing of another human being with malice." By this definition, meat isn't murder. That has no bearing on whether it's right or wrong, though.
I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied. |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2005 : 01:23:54
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Tell it to the Moz!
How's that for a slice of fried gold? |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2005 : 04:10:15
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Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2005 : 09:10:15
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Murder tastes pretty damn good.
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
6370 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2005 : 10:03:20
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| all I know is going to lunch with a vegetarian is a serious pain |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2005 : 10:17:51
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Originally posted by starmekitten
all I know is going to lunch with a vegetarian is a serious pain
dating one can be difficult too (speaking of past relationships) |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2005 : 10:28:48
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Originally posted by starmekitten
all I know is going to lunch with a vegetarian is a serious pain
The only bad thing about being a vegetarian is that sometimes people think (I'm not saying you're saying this about me, kitty) that all vegetarians are difficult -- that we're all like the attention-queens who give little lectures or, worse, make a big show of their vegetarianism or their need to eat only certain stuff.
To them I say, "Bring a vegetarian dish to the bbq or eat whatever non-meat food is there. Most of all, shut up."
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
6370 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2005 : 10:34:11
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I meant I couldn't go to nandos and eat chicken because the vegetarian options were blah....
selfish vegetarians. |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2005 : 16:37:13
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When I was Hell King, we'd feast on the souls of gluttons. It was like eating murder marinated in sin.
I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied. |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2005 : 17:50:42
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Originally posted by VoVat
eating murder marinated in sin
Where do I sign up?
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2005 : 18:20:47
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I'm not sure, but this is what I was referencing.
I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied. |
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