| T O P I C R E V I E W |
| Cheeseman1000 |
Posted - 07/02/2005 : 08:45:46
It'd be easy to be cynical about this sort of thing, but its all kind of cool. Properly big stars, some decent music, some fun collaborations, a worthy cause.
Bob Geldof's pretty cool.
Are you watching? Who's playing in your country, what are your highlights?
Keane are on now (bleh), but Coldplay, U2 (with Paul MacCartney) and Youssou N'Dor (ignoring Dido) were pretty good. Elton John duetting with Pete Doherty on 'Children Of The Revolution' was fun too.
I'm looking forward to the Who, the Killers and definitely Pink Floyd.
How's that for a slice of fried gold? |
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| Mass Pleeze |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 12:49:29
Ouch sakes -
Did you exchange?
Can you Mr. Grieves?
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| The Champ |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 12:43:51
Yeah live 8 was good, altho im really sick of seeing that hypocrite bono plastered on everything i see in my daily life, its fucking discusting and u2 fucking blows . |
| MissMaceo |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 08:46:42
if it causes them to eliminate the debt and then we have to start all over again, THAT is better than nothing.
again, baby steps.
Those who find themselves ridiculous, sit down next to me. |
| mun chien andalusia |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 08:18:38
quote:
Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
except that it's not going to cause real change, it's only going to be enough to make the leaders feel like they don't look like uncaring assholes in the public eye.
exactly. bono is the perfect alibi.
 Zen fascists will control you,100% natural |
| Ebb Vicious |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 08:07:33
except that it's not going to cause real change, it's only going to be enough to make the leaders feel like they don't look like uncaring assholes in the public eye. |
| MissMaceo |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 08:03:41
It already has helped.
Geldof and Bono were both invited to address the G8.
Of course it's a baby step, maybe even a crawl, but it's more than anyone else I know has done. It may not even do any good but shit, it's worth a shot.
At this point, I think we'll take a change of policy ANY way we can get it, concert or otherwise. Even if it is change predicated by self-righteous wealthy people who, sure, must be getting some self-gratification from it. Nonetheless, the end may justify the means in this case...
Those who find themselves ridiculous, sit down next to me. |
| Ebb Vicious |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 07:58:16
from the live 8 site:
quote:
By doubling aid, fully cancelling debt, and delivering trade justice for Africa, the G8 could change the future for millions of men, women and children."
ok so it's even more ridiculous than just asking me to give them money. they believe that putting on concerts is a good way to shape government policy.
look, a lot of things suck about africa right now. but getting a bunch of rich people together to sing and play songs for them is the equivallent doing finger paintings for cancer patients. maybe it will make some of them feel better but it doesn't really help. |
| MissMaceo |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 07:51:38
exactly.
the point was to pressure the men in the G8 to eliminate the debt. That was the whole point.
They will get plenty of our money when they release the DVD.
Here's one jackasses view: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4637801.stm
and to that, my reply:
mean, it seems as though everytime anyone wants to do something good, they have to hear the naysayers, even when it's something so clearly beneficial.
then again, i understand that so many people have done things JUST for the sake of self-serving themselves doses of notoriety that it's understandable to doubt motives
BUT
it's bob geldof and it's live 8.
i mean, cmon.....
i think that guy likely doesn't even mean half of what he says, it just sounds good and it got him circulated all over the damn internet.
AND he KNEW it would get a RISE outta people
quote:
Money from Live Aid saved lives but, as aid expert David Rieff recently argued, it may also have led to the loss of just as many lives. There was no sea change in attitudes. That wave of compassion did not stop millions voting for right wingers like Thatcher, Bush and Kohl in subsequent elections. Today, Africa is, if anything, worse off.
now THAT part is the worst part because the flow of logic from 'led to loss of just as many lives' to 'no sea change...did not stop millions voting for right wingers...' is just ridiculous. that has been a resilient and absurd argument about why it's bad to enlist the help of anyone possible to save lives. Bob puts people in positions of power up against the wall of 'help me or look like a complete ass' and it works. he's not doing PR for anyone. If that were the case, he surely wouldn't have invited, no begged, the fucking Spice Girls to perform this year. It's not about him vouching for those who help him, it's about him those who help him being able to help the cause.
besides, as we saw last novemeber, america isn't usually too keen on voting in a democratic president anyway, apparently no matter how dire the circumstance.
Those who find themselves ridiculous, sit down next to me. |
| mun chien andalusia |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 07:50:09
here's an example of what effects has a mere donationto poor countries:
ethiopia is one of the countries that benefit the most of international help due to the rates of poverty and the desertification. many countries offer enormous quantities of food (instead of money) which is easier to donate since it has 3 advantages: no costs on economy, it offers humanitarian releave and it helps agricolture in the country of origin. but hunger does not involve the whole ethiopia. the healthy part where food is produced sees it's market destroyed. who will buy something that comes for free? so local companies and farmers bankrupt and there is a second wave of hunger now in the part of the country that can actually survive autonomously. in that way a new type of economy evolves. the economy of humanitarian aid with people abbandoning productive labour and surviving on international help. same thing happened after natural disasters. the generous donation of clothes far larger than the effective needs eliminated local tessile industry because the production was useless. so there is a confusion between humanitarian aid and development. under the light of such examples many NGOs decided to adopt a new campaign against the free market rules that don't help african economy to develop. more than having poor countries trying to export to more developed ones they should close their markets and return in a local economy with small family type business. that's because the needs of the world market and the multinationals push for the coltivation of plants that sell around the world but leave the local population without means of survival (cotton against fruit for example). which is a strategy that is in the developed world's interests and not in the african interests.
font: la repubblica
Zen fascists will control you,100% natural |
| zub_the_goat |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 07:41:04
and its things like all the unfair trade regulations and tariffs forced on these countries by the governments meaning they cant sell what they make, or make hardly enough to live on. |
| Cheeseman1000 |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 07:00:00
quote:
Originally posted by Carolynanna
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Originally posted by Cheeseman1000
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Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
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Originally posted by Cheeseman1000
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Especially as no-one was asking for money - it wasn't a fundraising event, and the tickets were free.
I'm not sure even the combined wealth of all of them would be enough to solve poverty in Africa, although it's an interesting suggestion.
ok if it wasn't to get people to give money to africa then how exactly did they intend to meet their stated goal of eliminating poverty in africa. through sheer positive thinking?
give me a break, they were -- maybe not overtly -- asking everyone to give money towards it.
my whole point was it's a ridiculous goal which cannot be met by merely tossing money (or happy thoughts) at it.
it's just an exercise in karmic masturbation on the part of the artists.
The stated aim, at least, was to raise 'awareness' rather than money - however much aid people send in to this sort of thing, it's peanuts compared to what's needed, and what the public are able to provide. It's not until you're talking the billions that governments are able to provide that you can look towards a solution. Even then, as you say, throwing money at the problem isn't going to help - it needs improved trade rules etc., which is something that despite all the asking in the world, the public can't provide.
They kept saying, 'we don't want your money', which isn't really even a subtle or covert way of asking for it...
How's that for a slice of fried gold?
Where do you think the government's money comes from???
__________
Don't believe the hype.
Listen you - don't get me arguing economics. I know where the government gets their money, thank you very much.
But taxes and extra donations are a different thing - the government already has the money, it's what it decides to do with it that's the issue.
How's that for a slice of fried gold? |
| Carolynanna |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 06:52:14
Heh, nice.
But I wonder how they can ensure the money gets to the right place.
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Don't believe the hype. |
| bedrock_barney |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 06:49:50
from a very, very large overdraft facility.
 "I've rejoined the Cult of Ming / Star of favourite childhood movie of 1980" |
| Carolynanna |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 06:48:24
quote:
Originally posted by Cheeseman1000
quote:
Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
quote:
Originally posted by Cheeseman1000
[quote]
Especially as no-one was asking for money - it wasn't a fundraising event, and the tickets were free.
I'm not sure even the combined wealth of all of them would be enough to solve poverty in Africa, although it's an interesting suggestion.
ok if it wasn't to get people to give money to africa then how exactly did they intend to meet their stated goal of eliminating poverty in africa. through sheer positive thinking?
give me a break, they were -- maybe not overtly -- asking everyone to give money towards it.
my whole point was it's a ridiculous goal which cannot be met by merely tossing money (or happy thoughts) at it.
it's just an exercise in karmic masturbation on the part of the artists.
The stated aim, at least, was to raise 'awareness' rather than money - however much aid people send in to this sort of thing, it's peanuts compared to what's needed, and what the public are able to provide. It's not until you're talking the billions that governments are able to provide that you can look towards a solution. Even then, as you say, throwing money at the problem isn't going to help - it needs improved trade rules etc., which is something that despite all the asking in the world, the public can't provide.
They kept saying, 'we don't want your money', which isn't really even a subtle or covert way of asking for it...
How's that for a slice of fried gold?
Where do you think the government's money comes from???
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Don't believe the hype. |
| kathryn |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 06:46:24
Orange eyeshadow and a domino necklace? Who is this chick?
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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| Cheeseman1000 |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 06:45:29
quote:
Originally posted by bedrock_barney
Everytime Fern Cotton appeared I wanted to put my foot through the tv screen. A chimpanzee could conduct a more coherent interview.
"I've rejoined the Cult of Ming / Star of favourite childhood movie of 1980"
Mmm, Fearne Cotton.
How's that for a slice of fried gold? |
| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 06:44:30
Yeah she is rubbish.
Don't believe the type!
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| bedrock_barney |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 06:40:24
Everytime Fern Cotton appeared I wanted to put my foot through the tv screen. A chimpanzee could conduct a more coherent interview.
"I've rejoined the Cult of Ming / Star of favourite childhood movie of 1980" |
| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 06:28:28
Erm can we please get back to what's really important here. The music?
Don't believe the type!
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| geertos |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 03:47:55
Exactly, well explained.
I don't think I could have explained it without showing serious irritation. |
| Cheeseman1000 |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 03:27:13
quote:
Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
quote:
Originally posted by Cheeseman1000
[quote]
Especially as no-one was asking for money - it wasn't a fundraising event, and the tickets were free.
I'm not sure even the combined wealth of all of them would be enough to solve poverty in Africa, although it's an interesting suggestion.
ok if it wasn't to get people to give money to africa then how exactly did they intend to meet their stated goal of eliminating poverty in africa. through sheer positive thinking?
give me a break, they were -- maybe not overtly -- asking everyone to give money towards it.
my whole point was it's a ridiculous goal which cannot be met by merely tossing money (or happy thoughts) at it.
it's just an exercise in karmic masturbation on the part of the artists.
The stated aim, at least, was to raise 'awareness' rather than money - however much aid people send in to this sort of thing, it's peanuts compared to what's needed, and what the public are able to provide. It's not until you're talking the billions that governments are able to provide that you can look towards a solution. Even then, as you say, throwing money at the problem isn't going to help - it needs improved trade rules etc., which is something that despite all the asking in the world, the public can't provide.
They kept saying, 'we don't want your money', which isn't really even a subtle or covert way of asking for it...
How's that for a slice of fried gold? |
| shineoftheever |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 01:30:52
as long as developed nations keep "offering" aid, underdeveloped nations will keep taking it. i think we just need to leave everyone the fuck alone, perhaps relocate some way overpopulated areas and set up some self-sustainable areas and let the world balance itself out. third wave or last wave? i don't know, i think we have to fix this mess fast and money is not the key. if we don't figure it out soon i'm pretty sure nature will throw the world another plague.
The waxworks were an immensely eloquent dissertation on the wonderful ordinariness of mankind. |
| Carolynanna |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 00:25:27
I wonder if throwing money at poverty would help anyway.
It would seem that due to corruption of governments etc., not much of the money actually gets to where its needed. Anyone have any insight on this issue?
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Don't believe the hype. |
| Ebb Vicious |
Posted - 07/05/2005 : 22:39:56
quote:
Originally posted by Cheeseman1000
[quote]
Especially as no-one was asking for money - it wasn't a fundraising event, and the tickets were free.
I'm not sure even the combined wealth of all of them would be enough to solve poverty in Africa, although it's an interesting suggestion.
ok if it wasn't to get people to give money to africa then how exactly did they intend to meet their stated goal of eliminating poverty in africa. through sheer positive thinking?
give me a break, they were -- maybe not overtly -- asking everyone to give money towards it.
my whole point was it's a ridiculous goal which cannot be met by merely tossing money (or happy thoughts) at it.
it's just an exercise in karmic masturbation on the part of the artists. |
| Cheeseman1000 |
Posted - 07/05/2005 : 10:08:58
quote:
Ebb Vicious
= Cult of Ray =
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what gets me is the people up on the stages have more combined money than all the people watching.
so why don't *THEY* give money and then say "hey guys we took care of it, no worries, you can pay your electrical bill this month."
Especially as no-one was asking for money - it wasn't a fundraising event, and the tickets were free.
I'm not sure even the combined wealth of all of them would be enough to solve poverty in Africa, although it's an interesting suggestion.
How's that for a slice of fried gold? |
| fbc |
Posted - 07/05/2005 : 10:01:24
G8, yeah, rock and roll and all that, but did anyone here Maroon 5 kill "Keep On Rocking In The Free World"? |
| fbc |
Posted - 07/05/2005 : 09:59:35
Pink Floyd today say they'll donate any royalties earned on the back of the gig, and have challenged the other artists to do the same.
quote:
PF album sales have rocketed by an astonishing 1,300% since Saturday - but they don't want a penny of it
http://www.sky.com/showbiz/article/0,,50001-1188023,00.html |
| IceCream |
Posted - 07/05/2005 : 09:56:28
Is that a rhetorical question, Ebb?
They're not going to be generous enough as to give up their money over raising more money. Maybe it's a case of pride. Maybe it's material corruption of generosity. How many people gave up their electric bill to support a decrease in Africa's debt (or to see a concert) anyway? |
| Ebb Vicious |
Posted - 07/05/2005 : 09:45:05
what gets me is the people up on the stages have more combined money than all the people watching.
so why don't *THEY* give money and then say "hey guys we took care of it, no worries, you can pay your electrical bill this month." |
| MissMaceo |
Posted - 07/05/2005 : 09:42:08
Hey guys,
I've got the whole PF show at home now, so email me at missmaceo@yahoo.com if you're interested. I'm not on IM much but to share this with folks who share my passion is definitely do-able and would be my pleasure. I upload very quickly, shouldn't take too long to send.
Those who find themselves ridiculous, sit down next to me. |
| PixieSteve |
Posted - 07/05/2005 : 03:11:17
sure, my email is in my profile (MSN one). however, i am going to protugal for a week in about 2 hours, so i won't be able to do anything until after.
 Oh let it linger |
| two reelers |
Posted - 07/05/2005 : 00:59:03
thanks a bunch, all of you.
nimrods, perfect explaination. i wish you could write all the tutorials i have to deal with !
masspleeze, the link worked. very nice to see, super enthuasiatic roger !
pixiesteve, may i contact you via email to take your very kind offer of sending a DVD ? of course, this would be the best thing !!
and kathryn, get out of the bath room. other people have to sob too, you know.
I joined the cult of Souled American / 'cause they are a damn' fine band |
| kathryn |
Posted - 07/04/2005 : 12:53:29
Thank you for that easy-to-understand explanation, NimrodsSon.
However, I started sobbing when I read
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Say I want to upload a Frank Black and the Catholics show from July 3, 2005 
and I realized that such a show could not exist.
If anybody needs me, I'll be in the bathroom crying sad tears quietly so as not to disturb anybody.
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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| NimrodsSon |
Posted - 07/04/2005 : 12:52:18
This website has some wonderful tutorials, FAQs, etc., if you want to browse around: http://www.etree.org/
It's worth taking the time to fully understand, as there's some great stuff you can get via torrent downloads without having to go through the hassle of snail mail trading or the unbearable pain of listening to mp3s from soulseek!
ˇViva los Católicos! http://adrianfoster.dmusic.com/ |
| NimrodsSon |
Posted - 07/04/2005 : 12:49:17
I don't know technically what a torrent is, but I can explain what I do know. It's a way to download files, simple as that. Unlikne a P2P program, such as Soulseek, you don't download from a single user within a program, you download a file that's hosted on a tracker that several people are seeding for you. I'll play out a scenario for you. Say I want to upload a Frank Black and the Catholics show from July 3, 2005 so that people like you can download it. So I make a torrent file for my show, go to dimeadozen.org and I go through the steps to add the show to their tracker (the tracker is basically the list of shows that you can download. It "tracks" the show for you. The show has to uploaded to the tracker for you to be able to download it. The tracker shows how many people have downloaded it, how many people are currently seeding (uploading) it, the name of it, the size, etc. Anyways, I've uploaded my FB&TC show to the tracker at dimeadozen.org.) Now, it doesn't stop there once it's on the tracker. Someone has to be seeding it. So I open my download window and start seeding it. When you download the show to begin with, you're downloading just from me because I'm the only one seeding it. But gradually, as more and more people finish their downloads and begin seeding it themselves, then your download will start to go faster because you're no longer downloading just from me, but from everyone who has finished and is seeding. This is why it's critical that you keep at least that 1:1 ration, because if no one is seeding the show, people can't download it. Well, I hope that at least gives you an idea of what torrent downloading is!
ˇViva los Católicos! http://adrianfoster.dmusic.com/ |
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