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| Dave Noisy |
Posted - 07/01/2005 : 12:01:31
Hi all, i've deleted the former thread of this title... I was never crazy about it, and it really bothers me seeing 42 pages and 22,000+ views on such a shallow thread.
I would like to try and make a more positive twist on this.. Instead of relying on the physical characteristics of a woman to make her beautiful..tell us in your words something that you find beautiful in a woman you know.
 "Live life like you're gonna die...because you are." - William Shatner, You'll Have Time / Has Been |
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| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 07/13/2005 : 06:32:57
That's floop alright. Great to have you back Tony.
Don't believe the type!
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| Newo |
Posted - 07/13/2005 : 00:53:31
Lunchtime Floop. We want a good clean internet here remember.
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| klikger |
Posted - 07/13/2005 : 00:49:48
LOL, sounds like old floop to me. |
| scruvs |
Posted - 07/12/2005 : 22:06:34
one day at a time, my friend.
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| danjersey |
Posted - 07/12/2005 : 19:53:12
not so fast old floop you have a long road ahead of you, pig. |
| new_floop |
Posted - 07/12/2005 : 17:37:47
quote:
Originally posted by Homers_pet_monkey
I'm surprised any of the women here want that sexist pig floop back then ; )
that was the old floop homers. it's true, i was a sexist. i used to take pleasure in looking at the female form, both in pictures online and even in real life. if i saw an "attractive" woman walk down the street, the old me might have thought to himself, "wow, she is attractive" or "i think i'd enjoy having sexual intercourse with her, because i find her to be physically appealing" ..
but not anymore.. with the help of my support group (and doctors) and this advanced self-electric-shock-therapy system, i've made substantial progression. it can only get better from here |
| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 07/11/2005 : 11:09:33
I'm surprised any of the women here want that sexist pig floop back then ; )
Or maybe they don't. The plot thickens.
[strokes chin]
Don't believe the type!
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| Dave Noisy |
Posted - 07/11/2005 : 10:21:24
re: beautiful men thread
All you gotta do is compare the two threads to see the difference.
With the women one, there's a lot of skin, and particularly narrow perspective of body shapes that are 'appreciated'. Discussion was almost entirely focused on their physical aspects.
With the men's thread, there wasn't much attempt to mimic or display nudity, all body shapes were represented, and there's a significant amount of discussion about the *person*.
I simply cannot compare the two threads. Other than the title, they are completely dissimilar.
As mentioned, it was started 'in jest', and in response to the overt sexism and huge gender bias represented in the 'women' thread.
"Live life like you're gonna die...because you are." - William Shatner, You'll Have Time / Has Been |
| Daisy Girl |
Posted - 07/09/2005 : 09:58:16
very true... :)
lol....
that and we do have younger members here so we want to keep things cool so they feel comfortable coming on here and hopefully their parents wouldn't ban them from coming on here...but that's another issue too. |
| VoVat |
Posted - 07/09/2005 : 09:08:56
quote:
It's nice to be polite to people in this enviroment not to post more than PG13 pics unless they are warned b/c a lot of us look at this at work.
Yeah, exactly. This is one of many areas where I feel differently in principle than I do on a more practical level. In principle, I don't care if people post naked pictures, as long as there's nothing illegal about them. In practice, though, I've looked at this forum in public places, so I think it's better to keep nudity off the forum. In other words, I don't think people necessarily SHOULD get worked up about naked pictures, but it's obviously true that people DO. I'm inclined to think the uptight nature of society actually makes a lot of the problems we've been discussing here worse, but that's really another topic altogether.
I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied. |
| Daisy Girl |
Posted - 07/09/2005 : 08:28:19
well this is definatately an interesting discussion and definately interesting because everyone has their own unique perspective.
To clear things up I don't think there was actual child pono... just some possible teen pics.. of which of course the could be of age too.
(to digress...teen porn is in a way child porn because although the women physically look like women...they often times are taken advantage of in that situation and are not fully making that decision as an adult).
And like OMIACC I really don't have time to get into the details of this... it's way too much time.
My perspecitve... the focus of this forum is Frank... and all things Frank. It's a time when fans should be rallying to support Honeycomb... a metaphor would be a bride on her wedding day should be the center of attention.
I really could care less what people post unless it's what vovat says... it involves kids, animimals or non consentual violence. It's nice to be polite to people in this enviroment not to post more than PG13 pics unless they are warned b/c a lot of us look at this at work.
I am really not sure why this became a issue of feminist debate. It's great that people are taking up a feminist cause. I am a feminist myself. Actually a part of feminism does support pornography, women as stripppers and prostitutes. They say that these empower women and as long as women choose this option and are given other career options to choose from that's their choice and it can be empowering...so in my opinion this is not a black and white issue... this is not a genter issue... this is just a persoanal perspective. So one take on this situation would be ... it is inherently sexist to assume that any picture objectifies women other than the woman in the picture herself.
Another interesting thing to consider... was the pictures of beautiful men thread objectifying men... usually this is a more subtle and accepted form of sexism...recently men have been facing increased social pressure to attain a certain physique or what not... leading to eating disorders and what not. I too well know this one guy friend I knew since grade school killed himself after years of batteling eating disorder issues and self esteem issues about five years ago.
I don't bring these up to judge these threads... I posted in both... so it's not a big deal. I'm just posting these things to illustrate how complex gender issues are.
So what I am trying to say... we all view this world in terms of our ...gender... sexual orientation...culture...racial...spiritual...economic and socio economic lenses... each perscription is unique... that's what makes us beautiful and so let's cherish the fact that in all our diversity... it's Frank that brings us together.
I would have gotten into this earlier... but I am trying to avoid getting into a big debate on feminism and freedom of speech because it would go on forever and really right now the reason why I come here is because of Frank. Normally I would welcome this free speech and feminist debate... but right now I just want to have fun and focus on Honeycomb and this special time.
That said... I support Dave and his decisions... he's the leader...he probably knows more than we do about the situation.
I do see how people's feelings were hurt too. I hope people can see beyond this and come back and particiapte in the form to focus on Honeycomb Frank Black and his music... man if we could still have commeraterie after the 2004 election... this shouldn't stop us now. 
I hope people refocus on Frank right now... we should be out there requesting his songs and chatting about Honeycomb.
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| Dave Noisy |
Posted - 07/08/2005 : 22:44:05
Wish you were here a few days ago...well said.
"Live life like you're gonna die...because you are." - William Shatner, You'll Have Time / Has Been |
| VoVat |
Posted - 07/08/2005 : 14:51:44
I haven't had a chance to read the forum much in the past week, and when I do read it, I always try to go in order, so I've only recently gotten up to speed on this. I didn't see the requests for little girls in the thread in question, nor did I know the whole thing had been deleted until some time after the fact. I don't particularly care one way or the other about that thread, but there are larger issues here, and I thought I'd offer my opinions, even though I'm sure pretty much everyone else is sick of discussing this by now.
I have noticed somewhat of an undercurrent of objectification around here. Certainly not from everybody, but it's there. And a fair amount of the Beautiful Women thread WAS made up of pictures of people with the Generally Unattainable Model Body Type, often with no indication as to who the women actually were.
That said, another undercurrent, and perhaps a more disturbing one, is the men vs. women thing. It's just something that I don't recall having seen much on other forums. How many threads have there been in the recent past about the differences between men and women? Then there was that trend about a month ago of starting "men only" and "women only" threads, which I'm sure wasn't meant to be taken entirely seriously, but it still kind of bugged me. In an early post on this thread, Tre mentioned something about "a difference in the two threads and that is as simple as the difference between men and women." Now, there ARE differences between men and women, and we should feel free to discuss them, but I don't think it's reasonable to dictate forum policy based on them. Regardless of why the Beautiful Men thread was started, it seemed to work out to pretty much the same thing as the Women one. Mind you, I'm not calling for the Men thread to be deleted, just suggesting that the decision of what to delete might not have been entirely fair. I can kind of understand it, though, since I'm coming at it from the perspective of a man who doesn't want to be associated with the unenlightened attitudes of my fellows. I think people with this perspective are sometimes inclined to overcompensate in the opposite direction.
As for whether porn warps people's minds, I think it depends on the person. I'm not into porn, personally, but I'm not opposed to it, as long as it doesn't involve really messed-up stuff (rape, bestiality, pedophilia, etc.). I'm sure it has adverse effects on some people, and not on others. I suppose that, as usual, moderation is the key. But I guess I'm really not all that qualified to speak on this issue. Taking it to the broader issue of objectification in general, it's definitely a real problem, but I certainly don't think everyone who looks at naked pictures of women they don't know is a chauvinist pig, either.
EDIT: Regarding Floop's banning, I think it's pretty much inevitable that, after a moderator makes an arbitrary rule, someone is going to respond by intentionally breaking that rule. I've seen it several times, and the thing is, the actual rule-breaking is rarely offensive. As far as I can tell, it's done primarily to rile up the moderator (or whoever). And as long as it's in good fun and isn't hurting anybody, who cares? Have we, as a forum, really declined to the point where we need to abandon common sense in favor of the Rule of Law?
And finally:
quote:
Rights are always curtailed in times of war, and this is a time of war
And isn't it incredibly convenient that the same politicians who decided we're at war are the ones who are working to limit people's rights?
I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied. |
| Monsieur |
Posted - 07/08/2005 : 03:00:17
What happened to floop?
I will show you fear in a handful of dust |
| Hatchetman |
Posted - 07/07/2005 : 15:15:55
While I found the pictures of beautiful women thread reasonably boring for essentially a music fan site, I am pretty amazed that it's been banned. I understand the reason why, but I don't agree with it. So what was the catalyst?
Ade
As the air conditioner hummed.... |
| mun chien andalusia |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 07:19:34
oh yes. now i remember. well you should be happy. the penguines and mules are happy for sure :-)
 Zen fascists will control you,100% natural |
| Carolynanna |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 07:11:16
You don't know what maple syrup is?!
Let me just say that Canadian maple syrup is where its at...
Nope, just a very pregnant pic of me.
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| mun chien andalusia |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 07:07:50
the marple syrup one? is it about another kinky sex practice? i don't even know what marple syrup is btw. hopefully nothing disgusting as peanut butter.
Zen fascists will control you,100% natural |
| Carolynanna |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 06:50:07
Not 100% effective like the penguins and ice cream.
I can vouch, have you seen my latest pic?
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| mun chien andalusia |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 06:46:20
are you suggesting to have sex with icecream filled penguins in order to avoid procreation? that's sillier than the having sex with a mule method of contraception. what happened to condoms and the pill?
Zen fascists will control you,100% natural,You will jog for the master race |
| Carolynanna |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 06:37:54
Exactly! :)
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| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 06:34:06
quote:
Originally posted by Carolynanna
quote:
Originally posted by Blaspheme Quarantine
To all the people worrying about the objectification of women, you're kind of trying to deny what's more or less hard-wired into our psyches. We're built from the ground up to ensure the survival of the human race, and that generally includes a fantastic little subsection devoted to analysing partners for suitability.
There's more to life than procreation.
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Don't believe the hype.
Ice cream and penguins?
Don't believe the type!
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| mun chien andalusia |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 05:06:07
back to topic:
Zen fascists will control you,100% natural,You will jog for the master race |
| Llamadance |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 00:47:55
Blaspheme Quarantine - "metacognitive ninja" is my new favourite phrase, and there's not enough Tintin references used on this forum.
On the topic at hand, the other board I post on has this tagline from the moderators:
"The mods have a simple message to all who enter. Every culture has its distinctive and normal system of government. Yours is democracy, moderated by corruption. Ours is totalitarianism, moderated by assassination. You have been warned."
..which kind of fits here now. I think it's time to put all this behind us, release the prisoners, and apply the forum rules equally and fairly. (I'm not saying they're not at the moment, but some people feel that.) I think that this has caused a lot of confusion which need clarification.:)
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| Carolynanna |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 00:18:44
quote:
Originally posted by Blaspheme Quarantine
To all the people worrying about the objectification of women, you're kind of trying to deny what's more or less hard-wired into our psyches. We're built from the ground up to ensure the survival of the human race, and that generally includes a fantastic little subsection devoted to analysing partners for suitability.
Of course.
We all can admire someone we find attractive.
Its human nature.
And I'm as human as anyone else, trust me on that one;)
But its about a balance.
There's more to life than procreation.
(Quite funny coming from me at this moment...;)
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| Blaspheme Quarantine |
Posted - 07/05/2005 : 18:51:08
quote:
Originally posted by Dave Noisy
Did someone suggest i'm cocky?
"Live life like you're gonna die...because you are." - William Shatner, You'll Have Time / Has Been
Nah, I said you loved "the cock" due to the continued existance of the beautiful men thread. Just so you know ('cos you're either being deliberately obtuse or you're none too quick on the uptake), I made this insult because you're the most piss-poor admin I think I've ever seen. But enough about you, ya 'lil spazzeroid, you... **patronising nudge on cheek**
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To all the people worrying about the objectification of women, you're kind of trying to deny what's more or less hard-wired into our psyches. We're built from the ground up to ensure the survival of the human race, and that generally includes a fantastic little subsection devoted to analysing partners for suitability.
Now, I don't know about you, but I've spent so many lazy days in the summer slobbing around fantasising about being a mighty stegosaurus. Think about it... you get walk about, find things and decide if I can eat them or if I can shag them. Or occasionally have to swipe my mighty caudal club at them.
Brilliant, and when it boils down to it, it's what we do as people.
We simply do not have time in our lives to get to know each and every person in the world. We'd never get through it! Even if we take the immediate step of taking all the ugly people off the list, we're left with an insurmountable task!
To get around this limitation, we judge people on looks and physical characteristics... and these characteristics are vitally important, as they're the first thing people see. And I don't care how much of a goddam metacognitive ninja you are, you're going to make choices about people.
Personally, I don't have an issue with women finding me utterly gorgeous, and then going home to masturbate about me, even if they don't know much about who I am, and about all the fantastic things I've done in my life. Granted, it doesn't happen very often, but if it does I'm not going to kick down their bedroom door at 3 in the morning, drag their stinky pinkes from between their legs, and delete that thread metaphorically speaking.
Blah.
What a billious bag of barnacle bait this is.
Wanting men to stop looking at womens tits for the sake of looking at tits is about the same as asking them to stop their own heart beating by force of will.
Unless you're going to cut their nuts off pre-puberty, but that would make you an evil testicle collecting (and possibly snorting) paedophile, and I don't deal with people like you.
Me FTW.
I'm outta this thread!
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| gauth |
Posted - 07/05/2005 : 18:12:22
I'm in favor of deleting the complete General Chat forum and banning all the whiners. |
| mun chien andalusia |
Posted - 07/05/2005 : 16:30:26
[quote]Originally posted by Carolynanna
[quote]Originally posted by mun chien andalusia
we all like to watch perfection (and do silly comments or bash it) but most of us realize that perfection isn't the rule nor is required in order to achieve happiness.
Conciously we might be all be able to say that, but tell this to all the people going to plastic surgeons and all the people with eating disorders and the young girls in elementary school going on diets etc and so on
i totally agree. but those who make of fashion a major issue that ends conditioning their life (medicine defines psychic disorders as: mental conditions that comprimise a patient's emotional and social life), need help. professional medical help that is. plastic surgery is a major issue but unfortunately before such an operation the law should demand a psicologist\psychiatrist's opinion. my comment was on the fact that this forum and that thread in particular was nothing particularly different than an average pub debate like "who's breasts are better", absolutely far from a thread like "all fat women suck" kind of behaviour
they are the worst thing that ever happened to the progressist\liberal way of thinking. they pretend to eliminate every kind of disparity and racism by simply eliminating everything that is above average, by degrading the excellence to a forced mediocrity
The vast majority of us are not "above average" looking.
i agree with that too. you think that i give a f*** about my gf's cellulite? on the contrary i keep pushing her away of stupide diets 'cause i think that a happy and relaxed person is far sexier than the hotest hollywood star. tho' i may appreciate beauty i don't consider it a must. on the other hand i don't demonize it for being the source of all evil. some people are more beautiful than others but that doesn't mean that i want to have anything to do with them or that i'm unhappy cause i can't be one or be with one.
you cannot eliminate anorexia nervosa by eliminating hollywood actresses and by boosting new bad looking(ergo "normal" ergo "less threatening")celebrities or by making a myth out of the "average" man or woman. it's your family and school and social ambient that should teach you that in the world exists variety and in that variety you must fit by simply accepting that you are perfect and unique in your personal way.
It should be, but is it really? You can't say that the media coverage of Hollywood et al has no effect on people's psyches. Cripes look at all the people that try to dress like the celebs.
agree with that one too. you add nothing new. but as i said those people (and fortunately they are a minority) cannot be helped by a mere puritan censhorship or with hypocrisy transforming a good looks thread in an interior values against looks thread . i dare anyone in this forum to admit that he or she fancied a partner based solely on his character or intelligence. the eye must have it's part, even if this part lies on personal taste. feeling inadeguate is nothing new. and feeling pathologically inadeguate isn't new either. criminalizing people who appreciate a nice looking body isn't the answer. it's not my (tho' i never read a single post on that thread) or floop's fault.
my humble opinion is that if such a thread offended a moderator's sensibility it should be discussed, because such serious matters generate strong opinions and censorship or bullying do not help. if this was actually about sensibility and not about bragging around about who's more educated and subtle accuses of ignorance. just because it happens that i have to do everyday with cases of stressed teenagers due to studies and work i don't take lightly this argument. sterilising their world isn't he answer. believe me.
Like private parts to the Gods are we, they play with us for their sport |
| Dave Noisy |
Posted - 07/05/2005 : 16:16:42
Did someone suggest i'm cocky?
"Live life like you're gonna die...because you are." - William Shatner, You'll Have Time / Has Been |
| OldManInaCoffeeCan |
Posted - 07/05/2005 : 16:09:18
"this place just isn't the same without him."
I briefly attempted to get up to speed concerning Dave the Moderator, the deleted thread, and Floop's temp/perm ban, but shit, the reading involved is similar in quantity to a Motion for Summary Judgment, and the rationale of the different positions (not just plaintiff and defendant, but this case is filled with Amicus Curiae briefs) is too many and too complex for me right now.
So, without taking the time that is needed to adequately formulate an opinion, my statement of the case is as follows:
FREE FLOOP!
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| Chris Knight |
Posted - 07/05/2005 : 16:04:10
quote:
Again its not sexist its objectifying.
But I admit that it is a fine line between admiring the female form and objectification. And the line is often in the eye of the beholder.
It can be argued that objectification occurs with the creation of a picture and not the viewing thereof, since a picture IS an object. Most people (other than chauvinists, sex criminals, etc.) are very cognizant of the essential difference between a picture and the human being in the picture.
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| Carolynanna |
Posted - 07/05/2005 : 15:53:37
quote:
Originally posted by mun chien andalusia
we all like to watch perfection (and do silly comments or bash it) but most of us realize that perfection isn't the rule nor is required in order to achieve happiness.
Conciously we might be all be able to say that, but tell this to all the people going to plastic surgeons and all the people with eating disorders and the young girls in elementary school going on diets etc and so on
they are the worst thing that ever happened to the progressist\liberal way of thinking. they pretend to eliminate every kind of disparity and racism by simply eliminating everything that is above average, by degrading the excellence to a forced mediocrity
The vast majority of us are not "above average" looking.
you cannot eliminate anorexia nervosa by eliminating hollywood actresses and by boosting new bad looking(ergo "normal" ergo "less threatening")celebrities or by making a myth out of the "average" man or woman. it's your family and school and social ambient that should teach you that in the world exists variety and in that variety you must fit by simply accepting that you are perfect and unique in your personal way.
It should be, but is it really? You can't say that the media coverage of Hollywood et al has no effect on people's psyches. Cripes look at all the people that try to dress like the celebs.
Though I don't really agree with the banning due to the inconsistency of it among other things.
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| mun chien andalusia |
Posted - 07/05/2005 : 14:45:48
the sexist\objectifying debate is such a loss of time. men like women and the other way around. that's it. personally i don't know anyone that wants a clone of angelina jolie so much to cause complexes on his partner and neither i know any women that send their boyfriends to the gym hoping for a brad pitt-like partner. we all like to watch perfection (and do silly comments or bash it) but most of us realize that perfection isn't the rule nor is required in order to achieve happiness. objectifying celebrities is just another harmless passtime since celebrities do not exist in real life. few of us know personally famous people so bashing britney or talking about angelina jolie's attributes is like talking about sports or the weather. nothing really personal.
people who actually have problems with themselves, the way they look etc, need help. this forum isn't what caused their trouble and it will not help them in whatever way. same thing for sexists-mysoginists or racists in general. they will not change opinion by locking a thread.
said that i hate the politically correct. they are the worst thing that ever happened to the progressist\liberal way of thinking. they pretend to eliminate every kind of disparity and racism by simply eliminating everything that is above average, by degrading the excellence to a forced mediocrity and by giving complex names to simple concepts. you cannot eliminate anorexia nervosa by eliminating hollywood actresses and by boosting new bad looking(ergo "normal" ergo "less threatening")celebrities or by making a myth out of the "average" man or woman. it's your family and school and social ambient that should teach you that in the world exists variety and in that variety you must fit by simply accepting that you are perfect and unique in your personal way. society standards come and go. there were always and there will always be, pretty much as people who feel that they don't fit in their context. censhorship and forced studies never resolved the problem.
i don't want to attack personally anyone but it seems to me that a stupid yet harmless thread became an excuse for a stupid and counter productive display of useless politically correctness. someone made a brilliant comment about how the general chat is kind of a virtual pub were people ,maybe drunk or tipsy, have fun. no harm intended and no police oppression required. or the bar will be populated by obnoxious and boring lawyers which instead of having a good pint and a healthy fight get their diet sodas in a strictly non smoking ambient talking about yoga, the weather, dow jones and how today's youngsters are disrespectfull, good for nothing misfits.
if talking liberally is reason for ban around here, then ban me too. what gives me the creeps is that banning comes in the name of protecting a non better identified right to be normal as if someone questioned such right. i promise that if you ban me i'll burn a few bras before returning.
PS: i hate those who patronize people. i can assure everybody in this forum that i've done my homework on civil rights and the such. having an open mind and sense of humour doesn't make you a world hating troll.
PS2: i prefer 1000 times people like mad dawg and the swimmer who add controversy and stimulate a debate to subttle nazi mentality that tries to force feed me a mary poppins perfectionist attitude. nobody's perfect and everyone has a right to say his own. if this forum is about private property ala "this place is mine, i make the rules, love it or leave it" it's fine with me. i don't gatecrash other people's parties.
Like private parts to the Gods are we, they play with us for their sport |
| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 07/05/2005 : 14:24:21
quote:
Originally posted by zub_the_goat
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Originally posted by Homers_pet_monkey
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Originally posted by Blaspheme Quarantine
Great god in a bottle, I was thinking about starting to contribute to this forum until I saw this. If the thread was generally within the rules, surely it would have been a more sensible and mature moderating decision to either delete or at least edit the posts with problem content?
Deleteing such a massive thread is of course akin to cracking a walnut with nuclear missile. And not one of the old ones either... a proper Trident jobbie.
So really, what it comes down to is a moderator with the "shining knight" complex deciding he's arbiter of what represents decent moral values, when his job should in fact be to enforce the actual rules of the board. Absolutely disgusting. What's even worse is the condescending attitude he's handed out here, and the maintaining of the "beautiful men" thread.
Or maybe he just loves the cock, I dunno.
Thought I'd just wade in here and say what I thought. I guess I ought to add in that I've read a fair bit of feminist literature, and I ran for head girl at school (despite being a boy), so I understand exactly what it feels like to be sexually discriminated against.
I'll go burn my Pixies albums now, because they're morally bankrupt. After all, one of them has some bird with her boobs out on the front cover. Shocking really.
edit - actually, I've decided that the mod doesn't love the cock. I bet he's too much of an emotional ascetic to love anything. Doesn't even masturbate like us dirty earthbound maggots.
OK, which one of you is this?
Don't believe the type!
It is a genuine newbie i promise! im force feeding a friend pixies and frank black, in an attempt to make him see the light, and part of the process was to make him look at the site a while ago
Hehe, well he may not last too long here now. This may have put him off Frank forever, though if it has then he is mad.
Hi to Zub's friend.
Don't believe the type!
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| kathryn |
Posted - 07/05/2005 : 11:12:00
I did a thread about embarrassing medical conditions! It was great. All sorts of things were
divulged.
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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