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| Cheeseman1000 |
Posted - 11/03/2004 : 06:04:10
We have a semi celebrity in our midst  . Jen's vote will help decide the future of the world.
Cool.
Anyway, to turn this into a proper discussion: the Electoral College scheme seems a little backwards to me, and denies people a direct vote for president.
Seeing as the Pres isn't elected based on, say, highest number of representatives in Congress (as in the UK system), is there any reason why there shouldn't be a direct vote for President? That is, your location and state don't come into, but rather you have a direct say in the election of your leader.
This would have led to a Gore win in 2000, or a Bush win this time round. It seems like it makes more sense somehow.
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| KimStanleyRobinson |
Posted - 11/05/2004 : 14:09:04
So, its only 2PM forum time or something, right? When's the toga?
Yes, I care about the blackbox stuff. Watching it unfold.
This war, it will be just like the War on Drugs. It will be potent and effective and our objectives will be clear. The nation had a nasty drug problem and we declared a war on drugs and spent billions over many years and now you can't buy drugs anymore. It will be just like that.
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| n/a |
Posted - 11/05/2004 : 14:05:26
quote:
Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
I have pictures of me in a tablecloth/doily that had to serve as a makeshift toga. But those aren't for public consumption. :P
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boooooooooooooo
just as the forum needs cheering up too
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| ObfuscateByWill |
Posted - 11/05/2004 : 13:59:44
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/110604Z.shtml
Election stolen?
Sour grapes?
"The hot story in the Blogosphere is that the "erroneous" exit polls that showed Kerry carrying Florida and Ohio (among other states) weren't erroneous at all - it was the numbers produced by paperless voting machines that were wrong, and Kerry actually won."
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| VoVat |
Posted - 11/04/2004 : 17:29:12
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Kerry seemed fairly conservative and after watching quite a bit of election coverage it seems that no one who was liberal in any real sense of the word would stand a chance of ever getting elected. Is liberal a dirty word in the USA?
You'd think so, wouldn't you? I've seen it suggested that part of the problem is that Kerry WASN'T liberal. When Bush called Kerry "the liberal Senator from Massachusetts," all Kerry could come back with was "Labels don't matter!" While this is true as far as it goes, I don't really see "liberal" as a label, just an adjective (and, in some countries, a political party). I think it might have been preferable for a candidate to respond to something like that with, "Yes, I'm liberal, and I consider that to be a GOOD thing, because [insert a list of good things about liberals here]." That might have convinced more Americans that "liberal" ISN'T a bad word. Kerry, who isn't particularly liberal, replied as if it WAS a bad thing.
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| Carolynanna |
Posted - 11/04/2004 : 09:51:12
quote:
Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
Alright, there should be a picture in your inbox.
... made you look!
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Hey didn't you read the virgo horoscope in that thread???
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| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 11/04/2004 : 09:47:59
I have pictures of me in a tablecloth/doily that had to serve as a makeshift toga. But those aren't for public consumption. :P
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| apl4eris |
Posted - 11/04/2004 : 08:54:20
I think Eris has played a strong hand in the (d)evolution of this thread. Just look what those crazy Greeks started, all so we could have this toga party on the precipice of democracy.
Io Pan Io Pan Pan! We are Devo.
I'll be there with bells on, with SpudBoy in his skin. Yeah, I'm feeling fried.
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| vilainde |
Posted - 11/04/2004 : 08:26:08
You know what... I actually have pictures of me in a toga. (Un)fortunately I don't have any pics of me de-togaing.
Denis
"If you do 7-Up, you can't ever do Coke or Pepsi. You've got to hold out for the best deal possible. It's about me being a smart businesswoman as well as a musician." - Jessica Simpson |
| BLT |
Posted - 11/04/2004 : 08:18:29
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| n/a |
Posted - 11/03/2004 : 20:07:12
curses......... foiled again
Frank Black ate my hamster |
| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 11/03/2004 : 20:04:42
Alright, there should be a picture in your inbox.
... made you look!
"Join the Cult of Frank 2.0 / And you'll be enlightened (free for 1.x members)" |
| n/a |
Posted - 11/03/2004 : 19:50:48
let tre be the judge of that!
Frank Black ate my hamster |
| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 11/03/2004 : 19:07:56
Yup. In the somewhat butchered words of Seinfeld:
Man naked = bad naked.
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| Ebb Vicious |
Posted - 11/03/2004 : 18:10:01
you'd change your mind once you saw the first picture! |
| n/a |
Posted - 11/03/2004 : 17:58:35
I want toga-less boy pictures too you big sexist
Frank Black ate my hamster |
| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 11/03/2004 : 17:35:40
Alright, details are here:
FB.Net Toga Social
Fri, Nov 5, 8PM Forum Time
No Door Charge
Live entertainment: Plug in your favourite FB disc
Details: Come to the FB.Net Toga Social and live out your wildest fantasies. Post in a toga. Take pictures of yourself posting in a toga and ... post them. If you are female, take off your toga and take pictures of yourself either de-togaing or posting naked and post them. The party lasts until the last person's significant other comes home and asks what the hell they're doing in a toga with Teenager of the Year blaring, the tripod set up, and a stupid stupid grin on their face.
Be here!
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| broken part |
Posted - 11/03/2004 : 17:28:56
i was hoping for some help with that........ |
| apl4eris |
Posted - 11/03/2004 : 17:22:14
hahahahaha good advice for us all.
But what about your...you know, broken part...? |
| broken part |
Posted - 11/03/2004 : 17:12:59
I think in hard time we all need to have a good hard fuck. My clothes are off. |
| floop |
Posted - 11/03/2004 : 17:02:31
i think half of the United States voters could use a toga party.
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| apl4eris |
Posted - 11/03/2004 : 17:02:10
To-ga! To-ga!
I could use a night of getting totally fucking wasted.
Several nights. |
| BLT |
Posted - 11/03/2004 : 16:51:01
I could use a toga party just about now...
(note: I am not joking.. I really could use a toga party.) |
| floop |
Posted - 11/03/2004 : 16:43:15
ebb, perhaps you should take your own life then..
not only because you feel so negatively about our future, but more so because you have never seen ANIMAL HOUSE.
(note: i am joking.. just tired of all this bitching and moaning) |
| Ebb Vicious |
Posted - 11/03/2004 : 16:28:12
quote:
Originally posted by BLT
I take it you never saw "Animal House". You should check it out.
nope i actually haven't. |
| BLT |
Posted - 11/03/2004 : 16:24:38
quote:
Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
edit: to insert quote in case it gets removed.
I take it you never saw "Animal House". You should check it out. |
| Ebb Vicious |
Posted - 11/03/2004 : 16:15:37
quote:
Originally posted by BLT
I'm glad we didn't have Ebb's attitude after the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.
hhahahahah the german's bombed pearl harbor? hahaahahahhahahaha jesus christ.
apl:
i don't really have a plan yet, i think it's pointless right now. because things are going to change so much by 2008. i'll worry more in 2006/07 about getting people ready to vote the right way in 2008.
but honestly i think it's hopeless. i believe at this point that conservative bullshit is too ingrained into the majority right now, i don't think it's going to turn around in four years. if the last four years didn't prove to people that bush and the republican party are bad for the US and the world, then i don't know what will. i think as you said earlier, the only real solution -- if any -- will be long term. but i have no hope for the long term either, really. i think humanity as a whole gets more and more stupid every generation. more and more ignorant, oblivious, self-absorbed and worthless.
honestly i'd like to see most of humanity wiped out.
edit: to insert quote in case it gets removed. |
| BLT |
Posted - 11/03/2004 : 16:09:29
I'm glad we didn't have Ebb's attitude after the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. |
| apl4eris |
Posted - 11/03/2004 : 15:58:12
Thank you ebb. I agree with you for the most part about the ACLU, but it's my first stop on an investigative mission to find a group that will fight the unconstitutional provisions of the Patriot Act, among other issues. There are a few other organizations that are smaller but possibly more effective and credible.
What do you plan to do for the next four years? I'm seriously interested in why you think and feel this way and what you think will happen. Why go on if there is no hope? Do you plan to move to another country? Why do you think there is nothing we can do when the numbers aren't 99% to 1 yet? |
| Ebb Vicious |
Posted - 11/03/2004 : 15:07:54
well i wish you luck.
i'd point to the utter failure of the ACLU to do anything over the last four years, but i'm sure at this point i'm not going to convince you. |
| apl4eris |
Posted - 11/03/2004 : 15:01:23
Hmmm, well here is a bit of it, brainstorming off the top of my head. Nothing grandiose - that takes numbers of like-minded people that I don't have access to yet.
According to each issue that comes up locally or federally, that I don't agree with, I will contact my representatives.
I am going to investigate the existing organizations locally and nationally, and see if any of them match my philosophies, and join/act accordingly. My voice will make more of a difference if it is part of a large group.
I am going to look into www.aclu.org - I've been waffling on it for a long time now. I have had reservations in the past about joining them because I didn't agree with everything they have done, but the good may quite possibly outweigh the negative. I need to find out if it's worth joining.
I am going to contact a person I met at a Laurie Anderson concert who is very active in fighting censorship in the arts, media, and in public libraries. He's got a lot of contacts, one of whom was a former employee that now is the head of the Tate Gallery in London - I think this can tie in pragmatically with my art and the local (Ohio) art and civil rights arena.
I intend to get involved with the media, either print or online or both. There are a few journalistic venues that I have been interested in.
I intend to begin volunteering. Now that I know we wil most likely be living here for a while, I want to start volunteering in education, literacy, and other social issues. Every person you interact with is a chance to make a difference. Most of the care, charity, outreach and education for the disenfranchised comes from the "faith based" organizations, in places like soup kitchens, salvation army thrift stores, halfway houses, and prisons. If more secular humanists would put their money where their mouth is it might help to turn the tide.
This is probably an exercise in futility, because you've already made a cut and dry statement that there is nothing anyone can do that will make a change. I still disagree.
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| Erebus |
Posted - 11/03/2004 : 14:33:29
i hate it when mommy and daddy fight |
| Ebb Vicious |
Posted - 11/03/2004 : 13:57:24
so then talk about it.
what are you going to do that will make a difference before 2008?
what can any of us possibly do to stop the jesus freaks from raping us? |
| apl4eris |
Posted - 11/03/2004 : 13:48:35
ebb, you asked me for my thoughts on solutions once, after calling me dumb and a retard.
I'm happy and eager to debate topics if it remains a debate and not an attack. I never attcked you. I said your chosen stance was pointless and lazy, and would do nothing to help. I thought we were having a good discussion, because you spoke to many points that resonate with me and I'm sure plenty of other people. I want to flesh out what I am going to do about it, so this was a healthy discussion, until it got personal. Nihilism and hopeless frustration are an approach I've taken too frequently in my life, so it's an opinion based on experience, which is something you use to argue a point in a debate. "Retard" and "you're dumb" are not.
If you have any other personal issues, please direct them to email. I'd rather talk about the topic of this thread here. |
| Carolynanna |
Posted - 11/03/2004 : 13:44:15
quote:
Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
i took pretty much all of your first reply to be to be attacks on me for saying there's nothing we can do.
it's not like i got my feelings hurt but i just wasn't going to make the effort to be civil if you weren't.
That's weak dude.
I think you're just plain ole barmy.
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| Ebb Vicious |
Posted - 11/03/2004 : 13:30:57
because there really is nothing we can do for four years.
because i feel like it's hitting the brake pedal after the car crash.
because i think it's just plain out denial that the jesus-freak retards are the majority and have taken full control, and there's nothing we can do right now.
i kept asking what does she think we can do before the next election that will make a difference and she has no answer, because there is absolutely nothing that can be done by us.
basically because i live in reality, that's why. |
