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| apl4eris |
Posted - 10/27/2004 : 13:47:23
http://science.slashdot.org/science/04/10/27/1844235.shtml?tid=134&tid=1
"ABC News is reporting that anthropologists have found the skeletal remains of seven hobbit sized hominids. The population may have been wiped out by a volcanic activity 12000 years ago or according to local legend may have lived up until the 1500's living on in caves and eating food the villagers would leave out for them. Also found were bones of giant lizards and miniature elephants. CBS also has the story." National Geographic and the BBC have good stories."
Tiny elephants?! I want one!
Crazy. |
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| freakin phreak |
Posted - 11/06/2004 : 19:24:14
"Excavations are continuing. In 1998, stone tools and other evidence found on Flores suggested the presence 900,000 years ago of another early human, Homo erectus. The tools were found a century after the celebrated discovery in the 1890s of big-boned H. erectus fossils in eastern Java."
haha am i the only one who laughed when he read "homo erectus?" what kinda scientist would name a species that? dont they know theyre just leaving the door open for stupid people like myself to laugh at them? |
| VoVat |
Posted - 11/06/2004 : 18:37:59
The thing about men not having sex with other men is a Jewish law, too. Granted, I think Paul also mentioned homosexuality as something bad, but it's the Torah that people always quote when saying that God hates gays.
"Signature quotes are so lame." --Nathan |
| harringk |
Posted - 11/06/2004 : 18:18:47
quote:
Originally posted by Tre
oh and the bible also said that we're not supposed to be wearing garments of two different threads (Deuteronomy 22:11) so I hope you check all your clothes labels for any of those tricky poly cotton mixes
[edit] steaming headache = shitty spelling
Frank Black ate my hamster
That is Jewish law, I'm not a Jew, I'm a Christian. After Christ there is no need to keep Jewish law, He fulfilled the law and became the final sacrifice.
I'm not going to debate my religion. This isn't the place for that, and I'm no theologian. I've probably done enough damage already. I'm certainly not perfect and glad I don't have to be, but readily admit I need to try a little harder to set a better example. |
| harringk |
Posted - 11/06/2004 : 17:59:37
quote:
Originally posted by Tre
Daniel 4:10-11
Matthew 4:8
Revelation 1:7
for a start...
Frank Black ate my hamster
Well I asked for it so I guess I better reply, though I don't know why I bother anymore. If you're going to interpret those verses as meaning the authors believed the earth is flat I'm certainly not going to be able to change your mind. That is a pretty convoluded interpretation in my opinion, but if it fits your agenda I guess its good enough for you. |
| VoVat |
Posted - 11/06/2004 : 14:57:14
quote:
man is made out of dust and water. everyone knows that. and female men are rib-creatures.
The other day, I saw someone's livejournal icon that parodied those billboards with messages from God. It was animated, but the funniest one was "Actually, it IS Adam and Steve. That's what you get for reading the translation. --God"
"Signature quotes are so lame." --Nathan |
| The King Of Karaoke |
Posted - 11/06/2004 : 14:10:25
You know I've been thinking... Maybe Sasquatch and the like are just feral humans. Like if someone gives up on society and moves up into the mountains, within a few years they'd probably revert back to their wild state. Like cat's, dogs, and pigs do.
Yeah. Mystery solved.
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| The King Of Karaoke |
Posted - 11/06/2004 : 13:57:02
me make nice present for harringk
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| Jason |
Posted - 11/06/2004 : 13:36:54
I don't understand why the theory of evolution has to always be at odds with the theory of creationism anyway.
If evolution is true, there's still lots of room for a creator (or God) in there. If Gawd wanted to create man, why couldn't evolution have possibly been his (or His) method of doing it?
Am I missing something? |
| soundofataris |
Posted - 11/06/2004 : 13:28:39
Can I join in? oh and the bible said that we're not supposed to be handling the flesh of dead swine so I hope that you have never played the game of football ungloved in your life.
wait, this is off topic. stay on topic. stay on topic. evolution is stupid. man is made out of dust and water. everyone knows that. and female men are rib-creatures.
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I go to bakeries all day long
There's a lack of sweetness in my life
People in love are stupid and gross. |
| n/a |
Posted - 11/06/2004 : 13:16:34
oh and the bible also said that we're not supposed to be wearing garments of two different threads (Deuteronomy 22:11) so I hope you check all your clothes labels for any of those tricky poly cotton mixes
[edit] steaming headache = shitty spelling
Frank Black ate my hamster |
| n/a |
Posted - 11/06/2004 : 13:13:13
Daniel 4:10-11
Matthew 4:8
Revelation 1:7
for a start...
Frank Black ate my hamster |
| harringk |
Posted - 11/06/2004 : 13:07:09
quote:
Originally posted by VoVat
Creationists didn't decide to flush the Bible down the toilet when they found out it was wrong about the shape of the Earth...
Please point me to this passage in the Bible. |
| VoVat |
Posted - 11/06/2004 : 13:05:01
quote:
Once again, evolutionists strike when the iron is hot in an attempt to affirm the same bogus evolutionary dogma they have crammed down our throats for 150 years.
There IS no "evolutionary dogma," because evolutionary theory isn't religion, but science. And science allows room for growth, change, and admitting that earlier ideas were wrong. The Creationists find one minor hole in evolutionary theory, and say, "Well, that pretty much wraps it up! Time to flush the whole theory down the toilet!" Which is kind of hypocritical, since the Creationists didn't decide to flush the Bible down the toilet when they found out it was wrong about the shape of the Earth, among other things.
And, of course, we wouldn't actually HAVE toilets if it weren't for science.
"Signature quotes are so lame." --Nathan |
| n/a |
Posted - 11/06/2004 : 12:45:39
Because dear harringk, it seems difficult to discuss anything with you without it degenerating that way and I've never been one to dance around things. Last time an evolutionary discussion came up the same old pat questions came up, how did life start, how did the eye form, I took the time to write these things out and write them is as simple a form as I could so that it would be easy reading for the non scientist, and what attention was paid to this? none. So I'm sorry I don't put much stock in the cut and pasted article, but if people chose to pay little attention on something I have made an effort to do I tend to lose favour. Funnily.
Frank Black ate my hamster |
| darwin |
Posted - 11/06/2004 : 12:37:12
quote:
Originally posted by harringk
quote:
Originally posted by darwin
Nobody has called it a "missing link"
What are they calling it and how does it fit in the myth...er I mean theory of evolution?
A terminal branch. Get a evolution textbook and look it up. I wasted my time once discussing evolution with you and it ended with you posting an article full of lies. Now you're back posting another article with lies.
quote:
Originally posted by harringk
quote:
Originally posted by darwin
"Kelly Hollowell, J.D., Ph.D., is a scientist, patent attorney and adjunct law professor of bioethics. She is also a nationally recognized conference speaker and founder of Science Ministries Inc. "
In other words she has no training as a biologist. Why would you think she knows what she is talking about?
I don't know what all of her training is, but to come to the conclusion that she has no training in biology based on that little 2 sentence blurb at the end of the article must be the result of the same type of logic that enabled you to dedicate your life's work to an unprovable myth...er theory.
Nice personal attack. You're a classy individual. |
| harringk |
Posted - 11/06/2004 : 12:35:08
quote:
Originally posted by Tre
Haha let me guess, those bright coloured popular science books vs creationist bright coloured big lettered small worded literature, you're an expert, darwin look back on your PhD in horror, I shall abandon my post graduate studies because obviously Harringk has read books and knows far more....
Why so condescending Tre? I've never implied that I knew more about the subject than Darwin or yourself. The reason I even posted the article is because I knew one or both of you would probably post a coherent counter-argument and I appreciate hearing your view even if I don't agree with it.
I was just making the point that my opinion is based on more than blind faith, I've done more reading on the subject than your average slack jawed yokel and come to my conclusions based on my analysis of the available evidence. |
| harringk |
Posted - 11/06/2004 : 12:26:21
quote:
Originally posted by apl4eris
No, I judged that you didn't know what they were calling it, because you asked what they were calling it.
Oops my mistake, I misunderstood you. The reason I was asking for darwin's opinion on it is because he was the one attacking the author and article. |
| n/a |
Posted - 11/06/2004 : 12:25:27
quote:
Originally posted by harringk
You assume that because my opinion is different than yours that I haven't done any reading on it. I have. I have read books by authors on both sides of the argument and made up my own mind based on the evidence (or lack thereof).
Haha let me guess, those bright coloured popular science books vs creationist bright coloured big lettered small worded literature, you're an expert, darwin look back on your PhD in horror, I shall abandon my post graduate studies because obviously Harringk has read books and knows far more....
Frank Black ate my hamster |
| soundofataris |
Posted - 11/06/2004 : 12:17:08
quote:
Originally posted by Monsieur
I would like to have a dozen of those little men to help me clan my bathroom.
I will show you fear in a handful of dust
Its impossible to organize bathrooms into clans. trust me, I've tried.
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| Monsieur |
Posted - 11/06/2004 : 12:03:51
I would like to have a dozen of those little men to help me clan my bathroom.
I will show you fear in a handful of dust |
| apl4eris |
Posted - 11/06/2004 : 12:02:27
quote:
Originally posted by harringk
quote:
Originally posted by apl4eris
quote:
Originally posted by harringk
quote:
Originally posted by darwin
Nobody has called it a "missing link"
What are they calling it and how does it fit in the myth...er I mean theory of evolution?
It's possible you could find out by reading more about it.
You assume that because my opinion is different than yours that I haven't done any reading on it. I have. I have read books by authors on both sides of the argument and made up my own mind based on the evidence (or lack thereof).
No, I judged that you didn't know what they were calling it, because you asked what they were calling it. |
| harringk |
Posted - 11/06/2004 : 11:58:21
quote:
Originally posted by apl4eris
quote:
Originally posted by harringk
quote:
Originally posted by darwin
Nobody has called it a "missing link"
What are they calling it and how does it fit in the myth...er I mean theory of evolution?
It's possible you could find out by reading more about it.
You assume that because my opinion is different than yours that I haven't done any reading on it. I have. I have read books by authors on both sides of the argument and made up my own mind based on the evidence (or lack thereof). |
| apl4eris |
Posted - 11/06/2004 : 11:48:01
quote:
Originally posted by harringk
quote:
Originally posted by darwin
Nobody has called it a "missing link"
What are they calling it and how does it fit in the myth...er I mean theory of evolution?
It's possible you could find out by reading more about it. |
| The King Of Karaoke |
Posted - 11/06/2004 : 11:31:17
I believe it stated their HEAD was the size of a grapefruit, not the brain.
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| harringk |
Posted - 11/06/2004 : 11:31:03
quote:
Originally posted by darwin
Nobody has called it a "missing link"
What are they calling it and how does it fit in the myth...er I mean theory of evolution?
quote:
Originally posted by darwin
"Kelly Hollowell, J.D., Ph.D., is a scientist, patent attorney and adjunct law professor of bioethics. She is also a nationally recognized conference speaker and founder of Science Ministries Inc. "
In other words she has no training as a biologist. Why would you think she knows what she is talking about?
I don't know what all of her training is, but to come to the conclusion that she has no training in biology based on that little 2 sentence blurb at the end of the article must be the result of the same type of logic that enabled you to dedicate your life's work to an unprovable myth...er theory. |
| darwin |
Posted - 11/06/2004 : 11:18:03
"This "would-be missing link" between us and the original missing link also happens to have the brain size of a grapefruit, which is 2/3 smaller than ours. It is actually closer to the brain size of a modern day monkey and other pre-human ancestors who purportedly became extinct 2 million years ago. "
Nobody has called it a "missing link". They didn't lead to Homo sapiens. This person is an idiot.
"Kelly Hollowell, J.D., Ph.D., is a scientist, patent attorney and adjunct law professor of bioethics. She is also a nationally recognized conference speaker and founder of Science Ministries Inc. "
In other words she has no training as a biologist. Why would you think she knows what she is talking about?
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| soundofataris |
Posted - 11/06/2004 : 11:11:17
quote:
Originally posted by harringk
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41325
Eroding evolution's believability
Hahahahahaha. National Geographic did a great cover story on evolution and its validity not too long ago. Go check it out.
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I go to bakeries all day long
There's a lack of sweetness in my life |
| harringk |
Posted - 11/06/2004 : 11:05:35
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41325
Eroding evolution's believability
Posted: November 6, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
Once again, evolutionists strike when the iron is hot in an attempt to affirm the same bogus evolutionary dogma they have crammed down our throats for 150 years. Once again, they've got it wrong.
The recent discovery of a dwarf skeleton on the remote Indonesian island of Flores has scientists anxious to create another sub-class of humans. This one is called Homo floresiensis, which implies that they belong to a different species of people than those living today, we Homo sapiens.
Researchers found the skull and part of the skeleton of an adult female, plus bones and teeth from seven other individuals. These remains have many features similar to Homo erectus, another so-called human species claimed to be the ape-man of Africa and our subhuman ancestor. Now researchers suggest the Flores bones are dwarfed descendants of Homo erectus.
At least with this much I would be willing to agree. According to many experts, "there is so little evidence in Homo erectus specimens outside the range of human variation that they are likely just another type of human resulting from genetic diversification."
But the showstopper in the recent discovery of Homo flores came when the 3-foot-tall adult female skeleton was dated as only 18,000 years old. That means this hobbit-like dwarf of a human shatters the long-held scientific belief that Homo sapiens systematically crowded out other upright walking human cousins some 160,000 years ago and took over the human population tens of thousands of years ago.
But wait, there's more.
This "would-be missing link" between us and the original missing link also happens to have the brain size of a grapefruit, which is 2/3 smaller than ours. It is actually closer to the brain size of a modern day monkey and other pre-human ancestors who purportedly became extinct 2 million years ago.
According to authorities, this is what makes the dwarf skeleton the most extreme figure to be included in the extended human family. Chris Stringer, the director of human origins studies at the Natural History Museum in London, said this finding "rewrites our knowledge of human history."
In other words, this finding suggests recent evolution was (just had to be) more complex than previously thought. (Now that's an understatement.)
Think about the rather recent results from mapping the human genome. They revealed the instructions for creating human life are packed into roughly 35,000 genes, only 15,000 more genes than certain worms and about twice as many as a fruit fly. This discovery alone dramatically increased the complexity of function in DNA necessary to sustain increasingly complex life forms and account for the spontaneous creation and diversification of all species according to traditional notions of evolution.
Now add the recent finding of Flores man. He contains a jumble of features that appear borrowed from extinct primitive man. Yet he lived crossing timelines with both Homo erectus and Homo sapiens. If previous timelines are to be believed, this indicates dramatic changes in DNA and creation of a new species rather recently – not millions of years ago.
It also suggests a lengthy coexistence of two different species of man based on geologic evidence that a massive volcano caused the extinction of Homo flores as recently as 12,000 years ago. None of these possibilities are consistent with traditional evolutionary theory.
Confounding evolutionists further, the Flores man had to migrate to the Indonesian island by boat. Yet building a boat to sail on the open sea is traditionally thought to be beyond the intellectual abilities of Homo erectus. Remember, Homo flores has a brain size smaller than even Homo erectus.
Additionally, the site of the find gives evidence of controlled use of fire and sophisticated stone tools. All together, these new findings shatter another long-held belief by evolutionists: that you need a particular brain size to do anything intelligent.
As for their small body size of the recently found species, it adds no support to evolutionary theory. Nature is full of examples such as deer, elephants and pigs living in marginal, isolated environments that gradually dwarf when food and resources are limited. Dwarfism also exists in the current human population worldwide.
According to the Guinness Book of World Records, some of the more famous modern-day dwarfs include actress Tamara de Treaux, who at 2 feet 7 inches tall played ET in Steven Spielberg's blockbuster film. There is also Filipino paratrooper and black-belt martial arts exponent Weng Wang, who measures just 2 feet 9 inches tall. And the shortest married couple was the Brazilian pair Douglas da Silva and Claudia Rocha. When they married in 1998, they were 35 inches and 36 inches, respectively.
All contradictions of the traditional theory ignored, evolutionary dogma continues to be shoveled with the dirt that uncovered Homo flores. Yet there is good news. The bones of Homo flores found are apparently not fossilized. That means scientists are hopeful they might yield DNA that could shed the truth on evolutionary theory and the absurdity of human descent from apes by proving Homo flores is genetically human.
Just don't look for the retraction of their present claims on the evening news.
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Kelly Hollowell, J.D., Ph.D., is a scientist, patent attorney and adjunct law professor of bioethics. She is also a nationally recognized conference speaker and founder of Science Ministries Inc.
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| The King Of Karaoke |
Posted - 10/29/2004 : 18:50:08
Pygmy mammoths on Santa barbara's Channel islands.
http://www.nps.gov/chis/pygmy.htm
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| The King Of Karaoke |
Posted - 10/29/2004 : 18:43:53
The Floresians may have been wiped out, along with the pygmy elephants, by volcanic eruptions some 12,000 years ago, although local lore speaks of "little people" living in remote caves on the island right up to the 1500s, when Dutch traders arrived. Speculative minds raise the possibility that even today, in some remote corner of Earth, a primitive line of humans remains to be discovered.
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That's probably pushing it. But the new discovery chips away at our smug notion that human evolution is a steady march toward bigger and brainier. In a tough environment, smaller may fare better. Meanwhile, our long reign as the sole human species on Earth appears to be shorter than we thought.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/10/29/opinion/edminis.html
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| The King Of Karaoke |
Posted - 10/29/2004 : 10:32:57
http://www.technewsworld.com/story/Could-Hobbit-Like-Creatures-Still-Live-on-Earth-37709.html
Sasquatch is next people!
Check out these links on Orang Pendeks. I believe this is what has been discovered here. These are part of the whole bigfoot, yeti, myth. Many reports of people still sighting these today.
This is big news! I may have to take the day off. Wait a minute, this is my day off.
http://www.n2.net/prey/bigfoot/biology/littleman.htm
http://www.meta-religion.com/Paranormale/Cryptozoology/hominids/orang-pendek.htm
http://www.rfthomas.clara.net/papers/otherorang.html Be sure to click on Debra Martyr's real time description of her sighting on this page.
http://images.google.com/images?q=orang+pendek&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search
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| VoVat |
Posted - 10/28/2004 : 19:22:13
Would it be ethical to keep a hominid as a pet?
"Signature quotes are so lame." --Nathan |
| SpudBoy |
Posted - 10/27/2004 : 22:34:49
Ok, so what would you name your pet hobbit-sized hoiminid? I think "Shithead" like in The Jerk would be way cool.
*festoon* |
| apl4eris |
Posted - 10/27/2004 : 21:37:45
Crouton, you slay me with your spear-carting-monkey-carting war-elephant schemes.
I think it's funny we aren't all talking about these little people. It's a pretty huge breakthrough. I guess the concept of pony-sized elephants was just too tempting for my cute-dar. |
| apl4eris |
Posted - 10/27/2004 : 21:28:56
Yeah! I like the way you think SpudBoy.
Then if he got big enough, "Exotic Coffee Table" or "Safari-Themed Ottoman". |
