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| Sir Mike |
Posted - 10/15/2004 : 20:57:45
Everyone who reads philosophy: who's your fravorite read and why? I would say keep it kind of brief though these topics can get long!
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| JamesM |
Posted - 10/20/2004 : 08:34:29
Something I'm pretty passionate about (passionate enough to major in philosophy). The two dominant trends in western philosophy are analytic and continental; the former places logic, priority of definition, and "clarity" (I use quotations because much of analytic philosophy is far from clear, and is starting to use as many neologisms as the continental tradition) [think Wittgenstein or Bertrand Russell], whilst the latter places the focus on first hand experience, culture, and, to quote Merleau-Ponty, "the human condition" [Nietzsche, Sartre, Hegel, Heidegger, Foucault, etc.].
I fall into the latter category, which means I get much more out of reading Nietzsche or Heidegger (not so much Nietzsche, actually) than, y'know, a logic textbook. As for the person asking for a good Heidegger book to read: I would read some secondary texts on Heidegger before jumping right in; he is, <i>without a doubt</i> the hardest 20th century philosopher to comprehend.
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| slaveish |
Posted - 10/19/2004 : 15:37:20
quote:
Originally posted by apl4eris
Tre, I'm trying to find a better translation of the Tao Te Ching than I have already. I remember reading a very different version when I was younger. It guess it could be a perceptual shift, but Im pretty sure I have a different translation in my new copy. Any thoughts or suggestions for other books?
Also want to start with a good translation of I Ching (been researching versions off and on for a while) - I used to throw pennies or sticks with my old art prof. I need to explore it more deeply.
I have good translations of both:
Te-Tao Ching by Robert Henricks pub. 1989, based on the (then) recently- discovered Ma-wang-tui texts.
I Ching: I have two copies: paperback- John Blofeld, and hard cover Wilhem/Baynes (Princeton University Press)
The Te-Tao Ching I have by my bed- I took it out last week when I was feeling frustrated and needed some clarity.
The I Ching- I am now inspired to read them both and remember why I purchased two copies (at the same time.)
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| whoreatthedoor |
Posted - 10/19/2004 : 11:43:12
Oh, thanks floop. I forgot him, he was the Man... masturbating in front of the leaders and stuff. Who can do that nowadays?
"¡¡¡Bien!!!, dame el ritmo. Así es mejor" - Jonathan Richman |
| floop |
Posted - 10/19/2004 : 11:37:03
i always thought Diogenes "the dog" was cool
ist es möglich für ein quesadilla skrotum zu lecken? beim sprechen der quesadillas von LBF, ja. ja in der tatheheheheheheehehee! |
| whoreatthedoor |
Posted - 10/19/2004 : 11:32:01
I surprised me once dancing to a different song in my head in a nightclub
"¡¡¡Bien!!!, dame el ritmo. Así es mejor" - Jonathan Richman |
| kathryn |
Posted - 10/19/2004 : 11:27:07
Why, you don't hear your favorite music in your head all the time? Am I
the only lucky one?
 I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank |
| cassandra is |
Posted - 10/19/2004 : 11:17:13
nooooooooooo that's funny
pas de bras pas de chocolat |
| kathryn |
Posted - 10/19/2004 : 10:41:55
Thank you. Every time I'm at this thread I hear that song in my head,
and that's not such a bad thing, is it, hearing the Clash involuntarily?
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank |
| cassandra is |
Posted - 10/19/2004 : 06:15:10
excellent quote! and fabulous song.
pas de bras pas de chocolat |
| kathryn |
Posted - 10/19/2004 : 06:02:02
Karlo Marx and Fredrich Engels
Came to the checkout at the 7-11
Marx was skint - but he had sense
Engels lent him the necessary pence
What have we got? Yeh-o, magnificence!!
Luther King and Mahatma Gandhi
Went to the park to check on the game
But they was murdered by the other team
Who went on to win 50-nil
You can be true, you can be false
You be given the same reward
Socrates and Milhous Nixon
Both went the same way - through the kitchen
Plato the greek or Rin Tin Tin
Who’s more famous to the billion millions?
News flash: vacuum cleaner sucks up budgie
Oooohh...bub-bye
Magnificence!!
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank |
| cassandra is |
Posted - 10/19/2004 : 03:24:25
Socrate: "All I know is that I know nothing"
and also because it's the name of my sister's dog
pas de bras pas de chocolat |
| whoreatthedoor |
Posted - 10/18/2004 : 11:25:26
quote:
Originally posted by kathryn
As is the method in these cases, they picked selective
points here and there and they ignored those passages that
didn't serve their agenda. Exactly what the Bushies are doing
right now in seeking a second term.
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank
But it works!
"¡¡¡Bien!!!, dame el ritmo. Así es mejor" - Jonathan Richman |
| kathryn |
Posted - 10/18/2004 : 11:01:34
quote:
Originally posted by Monsieur
I know that Nazis admired Nietzsche. Yet I don't understand how, when you read stuff he wrote about things such as the State...
I will show you fear in a handful of dust
As is the method in these cases, they picked selective
points here and there and they ignored those passages that
didn't serve their agenda. Exactly what the Bushies are doing
right now in seeking a second term.
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank |
| Newo |
Posted - 10/18/2004 : 08:18:57
Me. Spinoza I like too.
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Jódete, tío,
Que se joda tu hermana,
Que se joda tu hermano,
Que se joda tu madre,
Que se joda tu tía,
¡Porque soy policia!
Que se jodas, currante,
Que se joda tu perro,
Que se joda tu hijo,
Que se joda tu amante,
No me pidas razónes,
Soy el Hombre ¡cojones! |
| whoreatthedoor |
Posted - 10/18/2004 : 06:51:53
And germans, isn't it funny?
"¡¡¡Bien!!!, dame el ritmo. Así es mejor" - Jonathan Richman |
| Monsieur |
Posted - 10/18/2004 : 06:47:30
I know that Nazis admired Nietzsche. Yet I don't understand how, when you read stuff he wrote about things such as the State...
I will show you fear in a handful of dust |
| whoreatthedoor |
Posted - 10/18/2004 : 04:29:59
Didn't know the story about her sister. Damn Bitch!
Nazis did the same with Wagner's music. Still nowadays jewish people hate his music. So sad...
"¡¡¡Bien!!!, dame el ritmo. Así es mejor" - Jonathan Richman |
| Sir Mike |
Posted - 10/17/2004 : 18:50:03
The thing about Nietzsche is that he tends to reject Plato and Plato is the foundation for most of western thought. Socrates-Plato-Aristotle lineage is crucial to most western philosophies as a foundation. Nietzsche's fans are often one track on this because Nietzche rejects the foundation of conventional western thought and thus the vast majority of other philosophers (who usually start with Plato and build). That's not to say there are NO others if you reject Plato but it narrows the field considerably.
Yeah, the Nazis misread Nietzsche because of the original early 1900s versions of his writings. Many of his works were published after his death when his estate had reverted to his sister. She was sort of a proto-Nazi in her beliefs and published versions with introductions and encouraged interpretations that saw Nietzsche as a racist and a proto-Nazi (liker herself). He really wasn't, and his 'supermen' could come from any background or race (as opposed to the concept of purely 'German' supermen adopted by the proto-Nazis and later Hitler and his followers).
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| whoreatthedoor |
Posted - 10/17/2004 : 14:17:53
quote:
Originally posted by Tre
(another aside, whore, eddie izzard is a transvestite comedian)
Oh, I see. A comedian just like Leo Bassi. A great philosopher too.
"¡¡¡Bien!!!, dame el ritmo. Así es mejor" - Jonathan Richman |
| VoVat |
Posted - 10/17/2004 : 12:17:33
quote:
Plato's contribution to Christianism is very obvious especially through the gnostic mysticism and the Fedeli d'Amore.
Christians in the Middle Ages also tended to accept Aristotle's views on the universe, even when they were wrong.
"Signature quotes are so lame." --Nathan |
| n/a |
Posted - 10/17/2004 : 12:04:31
(another aside, whore, eddie izzard is a transvestite comedian)
love like you've never been burned
work like you don't need the money
dance like there's nobody watching
kiss like your tongue is on fire
suck like you don't need the money
sin like there's nobody judging
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| Monsieur |
Posted - 10/17/2004 : 12:00:16
Heidegger was a member of the Nazi Party and nonetheless a brilliant philosopher.
I would recommend an easier read (as opposed to his major work Sein und Zeit), that is a book called "Les chemins qui ne mènent nulle part" in French (the paths leading nowhere).
I will show you fear in a handful of dust |
| n/a |
Posted - 10/17/2004 : 07:46:38
I think the Nazis misinterpreted many things!!! Unfortunately
...The majority of people are just like, `Play the monkey song!' |
| kathryn |
Posted - 10/17/2004 : 07:44:41
The Nazis grossly misinterpreted Nietzsche.
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank |
| n/a |
Posted - 10/17/2004 : 07:19:32
Nothing at all... I don´t read much!
...The majority of people are just like, `Play the monkey song!' |
| whoreatthedoor |
Posted - 10/17/2004 : 07:12:33
That's the ultimate off topic post, but well..., I have nothing clever to say, so:
I haven't heard it yet, but I hung out yesterday with your first mix. That's because I need some listens to get into something new, but I promise that I'll give you my opinion as soon as is possible. I'm always breaking my promises, but...
Nothing to add to the main topic, Rita?
"¡¡¡Bien!!!, dame el ritmo. Así es mejor" - Jonathan Richman |
| n/a |
Posted - 10/17/2004 : 06:40:38
Xavier, after the shower and sorry to go off topic, did you enjoyed "Irmão do meio" your silence makes me think that you didn´t! And I thought you would like it a lot...
...The majority of people are just like, `Play the monkey song!' |
| whoreatthedoor |
Posted - 10/17/2004 : 03:52:18
That's true, Monsieur. Nietzsche's fans tend to be one track minded people, but it only happens if you're an asshole before reading him. That's the reason why nazists adopted him as his prophet (with others), which is indignant.
A recommended Heidegger book?
Time for a shower!
"¡¡¡Bien!!!, dame el ritmo. Así es mejor" - Jonathan Richman |
| Monsieur |
Posted - 10/17/2004 : 03:35:15
Plato's contribution to Christianism is very obvious especially through the gnostic mysticism and the Fedeli d'Amore. I am very fond of these things, and it isn't necessarily in contradiction with Nietzsche. The problem is that people who like Nietzsche tend to reject everything else, instead of having a more creative reading of his works. That is why I like Heidegger so much.
I will show you fear in a handful of dust |
| whoreatthedoor |
Posted - 10/17/2004 : 01:46:50
Who's Eddie Izzard?
After all, you're right on some things LBF: My statement about the two greeks fellas wasn't completely right, just to make some controversy. 
But I keep what I said about Plato. He fucked up almost 20 centuries, putting reason over human instincts and some other terrible lies. He was the first modern christian. Too much Nietzsche? The only great platonic idea was platonic love, and it wasn't invented by him
Rousseau and Kant were suckers too.
"¡¡¡Bien!!!, dame el ritmo. Así es mejor" - Jonathan Richman |
| n/a |
Posted - 10/16/2004 : 18:13:47
he's lurvely
*blush*
you are so pretty
when you're on your knees
disenfected
eager to please
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| kathryn |
Posted - 10/16/2004 : 15:49:59
I don't get it myself, but you enjoy yourself with him, Tre, okie dokey?
And look at how fast we've gone from Aristotle, Heidegger and the Tao
to your Eddie!
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank |
| n/a |
Posted - 10/16/2004 : 14:23:23
I'm going to marry eddie izzard
you are so pretty
when you're on your knees
disenfected
eager to please
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| Boxcar Waiting |
Posted - 10/16/2004 : 14:03:38
Hello there, yes, thanks for the welcome Kathryn. For the record, I think if I had to define myself right now this evening, I'd have to say I was a monoist garden philosopher. A 17th Century Epicurean may be, but then again I'm only up to page 200 odd. Oh well, Eddie Izzard's on Parkie so bye for now.
Who are you? Where does the world come from? |
| kathryn |
Posted - 10/16/2004 : 13:33:13
quote:
Originally posted by Boxcar Waiting
Does Jostein Gaarder count? Just reading Sophie's World at the mo and enjoying it immensely. Hello, by the way.
Who are you? Where does the world come from?
What a cool reference and on your first post to boot. Welcome!
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