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Sir Mike
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 Posted - 10/15/2004 : 20:57:45
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Everyone who reads philosophy: who's your fravorite read and why? I would say keep it kind of brief though these topics can get long!
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whoreatthedoor
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Posted - 10/16/2004 : 02:01:54
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F.W. Nietzsche, obviously. I've read almost 100% of his books (Erase the last sentence from your minds, it makes me sound weirder than I am)
I have some respect for René Descartes, but he was too chicken about God existence. Anyway, I forgive him: nobody wants to die burned at the stake.
"ˇˇˇBien!!!, dame el ritmo. Así es mejor" - Jonathan Richman |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
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Posted - 10/16/2004 : 05:30:53
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Nietzsche and Aristotle. A wacky combination if ever there was one.
Great question, IMHO, Sir Mike.
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whoreatthedoor
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 10/16/2004 : 05:43:55
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Aristotle and Heraclitus are the only ancient greek people that deserve some attention.
Fuck Plato and all his bullshit! 
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frank_black_francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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Posted - 10/16/2004 : 05:57:12
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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 10/16/2004 : 06:39:03
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It used to be fascinated by Nietzsche, when I was younger. Heidegger and Wittgenstein are my favorites now. I like German philosophers very much.
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Posted - 10/16/2004 : 08:27:37
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I am
you are so pretty
when you're on your knees
disenfected
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
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Posted - 10/16/2004 : 10:55:47
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Maude, from "Harold and Maude". ;)
Some others are nice, including the subject of my user name and sig. I like Buddhism/Zen and Taoism mostly, not particular people.
Io Pan, Io Pan Pan.
RIP Rest In Peace Jacques Derrida. rasta. ruowa. freedom from activity. a brief pause in reading. a rhythmic silence in music. |
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Posted - 10/16/2004 : 11:52:05
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have you seen the painting with the vinegar drinking guy? very Tao
you are so pretty
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
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Posted - 10/16/2004 : 11:55:39
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Nope. Who's it by?
I have a sneaking suspicion you're having me on dear Tre.
RIP Rest In Peace Jacques Derrida. rasta. ruowa. freedom from activity. a brief pause in reading. a rhythmic silence in music. |
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Posted - 10/16/2004 : 11:59:43
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no no no, I'll google it now, there's three guys sitting around all drinking vinegar two guys are scowling and one is just knocking it back, it's like if you think about it and make it hard, then it will be
you are so pretty
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
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Posted - 10/16/2004 : 12:01:28
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Sweet!
I mean...um...that's
poignant.
RIP Rest In Peace Jacques Derrida. rasta. ruowa. freedom from activity. a brief pause in reading. a rhythmic silence in music. |
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Posted - 10/16/2004 : 12:04:07
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This painting seems quite simple, and on the surface it is. It is simply three old men standing by a vat of vinegar, dipping their fingers in and tasting it. It is sometimes hard to see, but the man on the left has a sour look on his face having just tasted it, the one in the middle displays a more bitter expression, while the third is smiling. This is nice, but nothing special until you realize that it is allegorical. It is not just three men tasting vinegar; it is the three great Chinese Masters tasting vinegar. Confucius, Buddha and Lao Tzu from left to right . And actually it isn’t vinegar they are tasting, they are tasting life. Each master’s facial expression conveys their thoughts and views on life.
Confucius (K’ung Fu-tse) thought life was sour. He thought that the past and present were out of step with each other. And the earthly government of man was out of harmony with the government of the universe, or the Way of Heaven. Confucius, because of this, emphasized the past, in both ancestor worship and in ancient rituals and ceremonies. Under Confucianism, the system of rituals was extremely complex and VERY particular, much like Confucius himself. Someone once said of him, “ If the mat is not straight, the Master would not sit”. To a person who seems to need so much structure, the world appeared sour.
The Buddha, the man in the middle of the painting, the vinegar was bitter. To Buddha, the world was filled with desires and attachments that lead to individual suffering. Pain seemed to be all around the Buddha, and he searched for a way to escape the suffering of this world. In order to find peace, Buddhists try to transcend this world and reach Nirvana. The Buddha thought this world was bitter, so he spent his time trying to get out of this world into a place without suffering.
Lao Tzu, the Master smiling on the left, thought much differently of this world. Unlike Confucius, he saw a harmony between heaven and earth that has existed since the beginning. He thought this could be found by any person at anytime, without needing to follow the specific rule Confucius laid out. He saw the earth as a reflection of the heavens under the same laws, which everything from the spinning of distant planets to the flapping wings of a butterfly. Lao Tzu thought that it was the interference of man who created an imbalance. He thought that life was only sour if you made it sour. He viewed the world not as a setter of traps to cause suffering, but a teacher of valuable lessons. He thought that if the lessons were learned, then things would go smoothly. Lao Tzu preached not to abandon this world for a better place, but instead to dig in and become part of the world. He saw nothing wrong with the world, to him it was sweet, it was only we who made it sour or bitter.
you are so pretty
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
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Posted - 10/16/2004 : 12:16:07
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What a tremendous painting. It really clarifies (no pun intended? Oh, what the hell, so it is!) my understanding. I still tend to vacillate between Zen Buddhism and Taoism. I tend to think they complement each other.
RIP Rest In Peace Jacques Derrida. rasta. ruowa. freedom from activity. a brief pause in reading. a rhythmic silence in music. |
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Posted - 10/16/2004 : 12:18:46
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haha and you thought I was ribbing you! I'm more than just a pretty face and a sailors mouth you know!!
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It's unknown who painted this, I came accross it quite early in my taoist readings, it's simple but says so much.
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LBF1976
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Posted - 10/16/2004 : 12:51:29
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quote:
Originally posted by whoreatthedoor
Aristotle and Heraclitus are the only ancient greek people that deserve some attention.
Fuck Plato and all his bullshit!
How could anyone seriously say "Fuck Plato,"??? he's our only source for Socrates. I love reading Plato.
And as a Classic's major who can read Ancient Greek, to say Aristotle and Heraclitus are the only "greek people" that deserve attention is completely ridiculous. There's a few dozen noteworthy ancient greek philosophers, and many of their questions we still ask today.
I don't have a "favorite" philosopher, most of it I find to be dreadfully boring.
Who's your favorite physicist?
Floops quesedillas zijn te vergelijken met het likken van fatsige Albert's aars nadat hij een fles laxeermiddel heeft leeggedronken. |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
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Posted - 10/16/2004 : 12:58:52
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Tre, I'm trying to find a better translation of the Tao Te Ching than I have already. I remember reading a very different version when I was younger. It guess it could be a perceptual shift, but Im pretty sure I have a different translation in my new copy. Any thoughts or suggestions for other books?
Also want to start with a good translation of I Ching (been researching versions off and on for a while) - I used to throw pennies or sticks with my old art prof. I need to explore it more deeply.
RIP Rest In Peace Jacques Derrida. rasta. ruowa. freedom from activity. a brief pause in reading. a rhythmic silence in music. |
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Posted - 10/16/2004 : 13:03:22
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Originally posted by apl4eris
edit: Tre, I'm trying to find a better translation of the Tao Te Ching than I have already. I remember reading a very different version when I was younger. It guess it could be a perceptual shift, but Im pretty sure I have a different translation in my new copy. Any thoughts?
RIP Rest In Peace Jacques Derrida. rasta. ruowa. freedom from activity. a brief pause in reading. a rhythmic silence in music.
hmm gosh it's been a while, my philisophical and spiritual exploration got crushed by my slavery to science, I'll have a dig around, I never throw anything out so my stuff will be here somewhere
*roots through boxes*
I'll get back to you, I'll call my shamen friend, he'll be more usefull than I in this...
*goes back to boxes, finds weird blow up thing, ponders this for a while*
oh by the way while I think of it speaking of Taoism at it's most silly (and I do love silly) the tao of pooh and the te of piglet are marvelous sunday afternoon reading
you are so pretty
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
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Posted - 10/16/2004 : 13:09:43
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Yeah, but Pooh was better, IMHO.
Looking for images of black holes for the "sucky topic", I came across "The Scientific Approach to Buddhist study-- Principle of Universe" - and theirs is the image I used.
http://www.forshang.org/005blackholegalaxy/blackholegalaxye.htm
<doo dee doo doo doo dee doo doo>
RIP Rest In Peace Jacques Derrida. rasta. ruowa. freedom from activity. a brief pause in reading. a rhythmic silence in music. |
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Boxcar Waiting
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Posted - 10/16/2004 : 13:22:37
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Does Jostein Gaarder count? Just reading Sophie's World at the mo and enjoying it immensely. Hello, by the way.
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Posted - 10/16/2004 : 13:28:19
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I read Sophies world, and I read around it after too, I'm not sure I could say I enjoyed it as such but it was interesting
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
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Posted - 10/16/2004 : 13:33:13
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quote:
Originally posted by Boxcar Waiting
Does Jostein Gaarder count? Just reading Sophie's World at the mo and enjoying it immensely. Hello, by the way.
Who are you? Where does the world come from?
What a cool reference and on your first post to boot. Welcome!
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Boxcar Waiting
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Posted - 10/16/2004 : 14:03:38
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Hello there, yes, thanks for the welcome Kathryn. For the record, I think if I had to define myself right now this evening, I'd have to say I was a monoist garden philosopher. A 17th Century Epicurean may be, but then again I'm only up to page 200 odd. Oh well, Eddie Izzard's on Parkie so bye for now.
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Posted - 10/16/2004 : 14:23:23
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I'm going to marry eddie izzard
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kathryn
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Posted - 10/16/2004 : 15:49:59
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I don't get it myself, but you enjoy yourself with him, Tre, okie dokey?
And look at how fast we've gone from Aristotle, Heidegger and the Tao
to your Eddie!
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Posted - 10/16/2004 : 18:13:47
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he's lurvely
*blush*
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whoreatthedoor
> Teenager of the Year <
Spain
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Posted - 10/17/2004 : 01:46:50
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Who's Eddie Izzard?
After all, you're right on some things LBF: My statement about the two greeks fellas wasn't completely right, just to make some controversy. 
But I keep what I said about Plato. He fucked up almost 20 centuries, putting reason over human instincts and some other terrible lies. He was the first modern christian. Too much Nietzsche? The only great platonic idea was platonic love, and it wasn't invented by him
Rousseau and Kant were suckers too.
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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/17/2004 : 03:35:15
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Plato's contribution to Christianism is very obvious especially through the gnostic mysticism and the Fedeli d'Amore. I am very fond of these things, and it isn't necessarily in contradiction with Nietzsche. The problem is that people who like Nietzsche tend to reject everything else, instead of having a more creative reading of his works. That is why I like Heidegger so much.
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whoreatthedoor
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 10/17/2004 : 03:52:18
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That's true, Monsieur. Nietzsche's fans tend to be one track minded people, but it only happens if you're an asshole before reading him. That's the reason why nazists adopted him as his prophet (with others), which is indignant.
A recommended Heidegger book?
Time for a shower!
"ˇˇˇBien!!!, dame el ritmo. Así es mejor" - Jonathan Richman |
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Posted - 10/17/2004 : 06:40:38
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Xavier, after the shower and sorry to go off topic, did you enjoyed "Irmăo do meio" your silence makes me think that you didn´t! And I thought you would like it a lot...
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whoreatthedoor
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 10/17/2004 : 07:12:33
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That's the ultimate off topic post, but well..., I have nothing clever to say, so:
I haven't heard it yet, but I hung out yesterday with your first mix. That's because I need some listens to get into something new, but I promise that I'll give you my opinion as soon as is possible. I'm always breaking my promises, but...
Nothing to add to the main topic, Rita?
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Posted - 10/17/2004 : 07:19:32
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Nothing at all... I don´t read much!
...The majority of people are just like, `Play the monkey song!' |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
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Posted - 10/17/2004 : 07:44:41
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The Nazis grossly misinterpreted Nietzsche.
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Posted - 10/17/2004 : 07:46:38
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I think the Nazis misinterpreted many things!!! Unfortunately
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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/17/2004 : 12:00:16
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Heidegger was a member of the Nazi Party and nonetheless a brilliant philosopher.
I would recommend an easier read (as opposed to his major work Sein und Zeit), that is a book called "Les chemins qui ne mčnent nulle part" in French (the paths leading nowhere).
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Posted - 10/17/2004 : 12:04:31
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(another aside, whore, eddie izzard is a transvestite comedian)
love like you've never been burned
work like you don't need the money
dance like there's nobody watching
kiss like your tongue is on fire
suck like you don't need the money
sin like there's nobody judging
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