| T O P I C R E V I E W |
| Atheist4Catholics |
Posted - 10/01/2004 : 08:34:43
So what do you think?
I was going to vote for Kerry because he wasn't Bush, but after the debates last night, I actually want to vote for Kerry because he's John Kerry! I'm actually (finally) excited to vote for him! Needless to say, I thought he did a great job. In my opinion, the debate was a close one, but Kerry came out on top by being calm, firm, and informed. He didn't make the mistakes Al Gore did when Al huffed and sighed and acted like Bush was a retard who was testing his patience. Instead, he treated him with respect and let Bush make a fool out of himself. He also did a great job responding to the flip flop issue which Bush drove into the ground. By saying that it's not a bad thing to change your mind when new facts are revealed but it can be a bad thing to hold steadfast even after you realize you're wrong (like Bush in Iraq), I think he put that issue to rest. Bush seemed to stop saying "mixed messages" after that when he had said it twenty times previous. Kerry is a master debater much like Clinton was and as long as he doesn't make any obvious mistakes like looking at his watch or spitting at the moderator, I think he'll pull ahead in the polls because of these debates. Though I do constantly over-estimate the intelligence of the red states. Most of them probably only care about abortion and gay rights.
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| VoVat |
Posted - 10/04/2004 : 14:34:50
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A philosophy based on gut reactions and Hilaryphobia can only fend off truth and logic for so long.
If you're talking about Hilary Duff, I think we have a REASON to be afraid.
Seriously, though, I want to agree with you, but sometimes there's no underestimating human stupidity, not to mention the influence of the rich.
"Signature quotes are so lame." --Nathan |
| twist |
Posted - 10/03/2004 : 23:06:19
In the privacy of the voting booth a whole lot of soldiers, first responders and their families will vote Kerry, these are people who witness Bush's double standards every day. I really belive that in the privacy of the voting booth Bush will go down in flames and these narrowminded pessimistic corporate apologists will be shamed into rightfull obscurity. |
| Little Black Francis |
Posted - 10/03/2004 : 22:46:51
I sure hope so, amen.
Floops quesedillas zijn te vergelijken met het likken van fatsige Albert's aars nadat hij een fles laxeermiddel heeft leeggedronken. |
| twist |
Posted - 10/03/2004 : 22:42:45
Bush was like a bad actor who'd forgotten his lines. We are lucky to be living in an age where we can witness the end of right wing conservative political power, hype only lasts so long and you can only motivate us with fear and hate for so long. This planet cannot bear Republicans any longer. A philosophy based on gut reactions and Hilaryphobia can only fend off truth and logic for so long. Bush will suffer a humiliating defeat and go down in history as a dangerous buffoon and the reason we got rid of the electoral college.
Coming up - John trounces Dick. |
| VoVat |
Posted - 10/03/2004 : 18:17:10
You can read my thoughts on the debates at http://www.livejournal.com/users/vovat/68435.html, if you're so inclined. I agree that Bush came off as a moron, but did anyone expect othwerwise (aside from harringk, that is)? I mean, his repetitiveness and hypocrisy were bad enough, but what really bugged me were the two rules that Bush seemed to think the President should follow:
1. Always stick to your guns, even if you're repeatedly proven wrong.
1a. If you really, absolutely no longer have a leg to stand on, keep the same position, but change your reasons for it.
2. America is always right. Don't worry about the opinions of those loser foreign countries. After all, we can beat them up!
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But John Kerry, no way could I come close to imitating him. He's incredibly knowledgeable and he is a war veteran, those 2 things really impress me.
For what it's worth, I don't really care that much about Kerry's military service, but I DO care that the horrors of war seem to have actually affected him. Right now, the country seems to be in the hands of the only people in the country who DIDN'T learn anything from Vietnam. I like to think that Kerry did. If he wins, I guess we'll see.
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I could come up with many more, but what's the point. Nobody is going to change their mind from reading a stupid post on a forum. These threads are a complete waste of time.
As opposed to the "What's your favorite Pixies song?" and "I am the quesadilla master!" threads, which stand to influence American policy for years to come.
"Signature quotes are so lame." --Nathan |
| Little Black Francis |
Posted - 10/02/2004 : 14:02:37
Yeah, have fun in China, and no one is going to "not change" their mind from "some stupid post on a forum" either, bigot.
Floops quesedillas zijn te vergelijken met het likken van fatsige Albert's aars nadat hij een fles laxeermiddel heeft leeggedronken. |
| Atheist4Catholics |
Posted - 10/02/2004 : 07:38:54
quote:
Originally posted by harringk
I could come up with many more, but what's the point. Nobody is going to change their mind from reading a stupid post on a forum. These threads are a complete waste of time. I'm just sick of the whole process. I'm sick of hearing about it, reading about it, and talking about it. I'll be happy when its over. Fucking politicians are all the same anyway. I'm going to go away now...(you're welcome).
Have fun in China, Comrade! |
| LUTINS |
Posted - 10/02/2004 : 03:51:39
According to a gallup poll in France :
87% french people vote for KERRY and 13% for BUSH...
In the last french presidential election, 82% for Jacques CHIRAC and 18% for Jean-Marie LE PEN (nationalist extremist).
BUSH = LE PEN ?
http://www.netrover.com/~duracell/pixies.html |
| apl4eris |
Posted - 10/01/2004 : 16:27:22
quote:
Originally posted by Little Black Francis
Yo, OHIO people,
is this true?
http://act04.org/paperstock
I signed it...
Floops quesedillas zijn te vergelijken met het likken van fatsige Albert's aars nadat hij een fles laxeermiddel heeft leeggedronken.
my bad, try this...
Yeah, that was thrown out a week or so ago. No longer an issue. Creepy, though. You know this shit goes down all over the country, though. The elections here are far FAR from fair and proper.
So when are we getting those international elections observers?
And when is the electoral college going to be done away with?
You buttered your bread, now lie in it. |
| Alpha Soixante |
Posted - 10/01/2004 : 14:31:52
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One minute he says it would be irresponsible to vote against funding the war, then he votes against it. In one breath he talks about how important it is to build better relationships with foreign leaders (and how much better he would be at this), next thing you know he is insulting and mocking Prime Minister Allawi on the Senate floor...good start Mr. Kerry.
Wow, are you reading directly from the RNC script, or were you manufactured with the talking points software pre-installed?
Oh no! Kerry is alienating allies! Irony really is dead, isn't it?
True, Allawi's a pretty stand-up guy, when he's not shooting suspects in the head (http://www.sundayherald.com/43475).
And he gives a nice speech, even if the Bush campaign wrote the speech for him(http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A60725-2004Sep29?language=printer)
And I'm sure he strongly opposed the CIA's (now officially scrapped) plan to rig the Iraqi election. (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101041004-702122,00.html) |
| The Champ |
Posted - 10/01/2004 : 14:12:36
I hope bush wins, it will be really funny, im still laughing at some of the shit he said last night. |
| PsychicTwin |
Posted - 10/01/2004 : 14:01:31
LBF-
your link is a no-go, man.
You must have linked it thru hotmail |
| Little Black Francis |
Posted - 10/01/2004 : 13:59:38
Yo, OHIO people,
is this true?
http://act04.org/paperstock
I signed it...
Floops quesedillas zijn te vergelijken met het likken van fatsige Albert's aars nadat hij een fles laxeermiddel heeft leeggedronken.
my bad, try this... |
| harringk |
Posted - 10/01/2004 : 13:46:53
I only caught the last 20 minutes or so, but thought that Kerry probably sounded good to anyone who hasn't been paying attention to everything else he has said during the campaign. Unfortunately those are the half-wits who will decide this election.
Kerry is definitely a better speaker than Bush, so what, we knew that going into this. But everything Kerry says is total bullshit, and he has contradicted himself so many times its insane that anyone thinks he would make a good leader.
One minute he says it would be irresponsible to vote against funding the war, then he votes against it. In one breath he talks about how important it is to build better relationships with foreign leaders (and how much better he would be at this), next thing you know he is insulting and mocking Prime Minister Allawi on the Senate floor...good start Mr. Kerry.
I could come up with many more, but what's the point. Nobody is going to change their mind from reading a stupid post on a forum. These threads are a complete waste of time. I'm just sick of the whole process. I'm sick of hearing about it, reading about it, and talking about it. I'll be happy when its over. Fucking politicians are all the same anyway. I'm going to go away now...(you're welcome). |
| Erebus |
Posted - 10/01/2004 : 13:36:57
I pay no attention to Rush at all. Most of my influences are online, to include: instapundit.com; nationalreview.com; buzzmachine.com; slate.com; townhall.com; and the sites these link to as it interests me. My primary political interests are left-wing naivete regarding human nature and biases in media, academia, and public education. |
| Mroocore |
Posted - 10/01/2004 : 13:29:48
LBF it is too late.
the capitalist dictators have taken over and kerry is one of them.
i do feel your pain, although our pain is nothing compared to that of the nations of people world-wide that the capitalist dictatorships have been exploiting. |
| The King Of Karaoke |
Posted - 10/01/2004 : 13:20:20
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Originally posted by Erebus
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Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
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Originally posted by Erebus
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Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
Where are the "NeoCon Youth" members of the forum this morning?
They are usually so outspoken when ever these topics arise.
Unusually silent for some reason today.
Boo hoo.
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Yes, KoK, we're running scared from your puffed shirts.
I have no idea what that means.
All I know is that i think I'm falling in love with you.
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Think "all hat no cattle". Puffed, as in empty.
That must be some shit Rush laid out on this mornings program. You could never think of that on your own.
Even though you can't think for yourself, that in no way will impede my newly discovered undying love for you. Erubus my sweetness
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| Little Black Francis |
Posted - 10/01/2004 : 13:20:01
I was impressed by Kerry and disgusted by Bush.
One of the main things that makes me feel this is way is Bush's greed and Kerry's willingness to share.
If we don't start sharing our wealth, and developing it internationally, we will fall harder than Rome.
Invading Iraq the way we did, droping shitloads of bombs on them, that was dumb, and a collossal waste of money as well a collossal error in judgement.
The US can't rule the world by itself, what does that make us? A democracy or a dictatorship? Bush is a fucking dictator in my eyes, and an absolute idiot. I could do what he does, he makes it seem easy to fuck up the world. Shit, I could do that better with a joystick.
But John Kerry, no way could I come close to imitating him. He's incredibly knowledgeable and he is a war veteran, those 2 things really impress me.
And Nadar, although I really like a lot of his ideas, and I know it's a free country, should drop out of the race. I voted for him last time, but not this time. He doesn't stand a chance and all he is going to do is increase the possibility that Bush gets re-elected. He can stay if Ross Perot runs again. They'll cancel each other out that way at least.
I'll be praying for the strength to deal with Bush getting re-elected, in the meantime I sure hope Kerry does get elected. And I really hope we can make up for our mistakes and resolve this mess that Bush got us into, and save some face. I'm tired of being embarrassed to be american because my president is a fucking retard. I'm surprised no one has tried to frag his ass, but I don't think Al Qaeda or other terrorists groups really want him dead, because he's running this county into the ground, and anti-americans around the world are loving every minute of it.
Floops quesedillas zijn te vergelijken met het likken van fatsige Albert's aars nadat hij een fles laxeermiddel heeft leeggedronken. |
| darwin |
Posted - 10/01/2004 : 13:13:03
quote:
Originally posted by Erebus
Darwin, I can assure that there was absolutely NO thought of race in that.
Erebus, I don't think your racist. I really don't.
But I do think that your comment (whether intentional or not) was pushing that button (i.e. if Kerry wins, those squinty eyed bastards are going to overrun us, formerly known as "the yellow peril"). |
| Mroocore |
Posted - 10/01/2004 : 13:05:59
quote:
Originally posted by Alpha Soixante
I find this shocking, frankly. Bush takes imbecility to hitherto unimaginable heights, and calling them both imbeciles is like saying your highschool band teacher and Dizzie Gillespie are both "good trumpet players."
The suggestion that there's no lesser of two evils in this case can only come from profound ignorance or even more profound self-deception. We could make quite a list of the important differences, but I think only two are necessary. With Bush you'll get a complete refusal to recognize the reality of the situation in Iraq and a complete unwillingness to admit any mistake. And with Bush you'll get someone who is working for the neoconservatives who have explicitly stated their intention to "democratize" the entire Middle East.
i agree w/ your points, although i find voting based on 'lesser of two evils' to be akin to blackmail. |
| Erebus |
Posted - 10/01/2004 : 12:59:51
quote:
Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
quote:
Originally posted by Erebus
quote:
Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
Where are the "NeoCon Youth" members of the forum this morning?
They are usually so outspoken when ever these topics arise.
Unusually silent for some reason today.
Boo hoo.
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Yes, KoK, we're running scared from your puffed shirts.
I have no idea what that means.
All I know is that i think I'm falling in love with you.
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Think "all hat no cattle". Puffed, as in empty. |
| Erebus |
Posted - 10/01/2004 : 12:58:46
quote:
Originally posted by darwin
quote:
Originally posted by Erebus
Bush understands what is at stake and acts accordingly, while Kerry would sell out the nation to our spineless "allies" and our squinty-eyed enemies, all for a multilateral concensus, on what?
Always a sign of strength when one has to fall back to racist attacks. Maybe it's not racist since Arabs are Caucasian (I think), but you get the point.
Darwin, I can assure that there was absolutely NO thought of race in that. Now that I re-read it I see how it could be interpreted as anti east asian, but I was not thinking of that at all. I was thinking more of the proverbial narrow-set eyes as indicative of ill intent, or eyes obscured for the purpose of evading interpretation. I should have chosen my adjective more thoughtfully, but ask that you see my carelessness as indicative that, if anything, I was thinking outside of race. If I had been thinking in a racist way, I would stand behind it now, but I was not. Please do not think me racist, here or elsewhere. |
| The King Of Karaoke |
Posted - 10/01/2004 : 12:55:13
quote:
Originally posted by Erebus
quote:
Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
Where are the "NeoCon Youth" members of the forum this morning?
They are usually so outspoken when ever these topics arise.
Unusually silent for some reason today.
Boo hoo.
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Yes, KoK, we're running scared from your puffed shirts.
I have no idea what that means.
All I know is that i think I'm falling in love with you.
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| Alpha Soixante |
Posted - 10/01/2004 : 12:42:11
quote:
Am I the only one who dislikes both of these guys even more after the debate? They are both imbeciles and it's to the point that I really don't believe there is a "better of the two evils."
I find this shocking, frankly. Bush takes imbecility to hitherto unimaginable heights, and calling them both imbeciles is like saying your highschool band teacher and Dizzie Gillespie are both "good trumpet players."
The suggestion that there's no lesser of two evils in this case can only come from profound ignorance or even more profound self-deception. We could make quite a list of the important differences, but I think only two are necessary. With Bush you'll get a complete refusal to recognize the reality of the situation in Iraq and a complete unwillingness to admit any mistake. And with Bush you'll get someone who is working for the neoconservatives who have explicitly stated their intention to "democratize" the entire Middle East.
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I feel Bush did a great job. He seemed calm, responsible ..personable. Someone you'd take sailing with you.
Oh, I TOTALLY want to that man sailing. C'mon Fredo, let's go fishin. |
| Mroocore |
Posted - 10/01/2004 : 12:34:17
quote:
Originally posted by NimrodsSon
Am I the only one who dislikes both of these guys even more after the debate? They are both imbeciles and it's to the point that I really don't believe there is a "better of the two evils." Maybe the domestic policy debate will be much better; but if I could vote, I would definitely go for Nader.
ˇViva los Católicos!
no.
if you had asked me yesterday i would have told you that it would be impossible for me to dislike either more than i did, but then... |
| darwin |
Posted - 10/01/2004 : 12:19:57
quote:
Originally posted by Erebus
Bush understands what is at stake and acts accordingly, while Kerry would sell out the nation to our spineless "allies" and our squinty-eyed enemies, all for a multilateral concensus, on what?
Always a sign of strength when one has to fall back to racist attacks. Maybe it's not racist since Arabs are Caucasian (I think), but you get the point. |
| NimrodsSon |
Posted - 10/01/2004 : 12:13:48
Am I the only one who dislikes both of these guys even more after the debate? They are both imbeciles and it's to the point that I really don't believe there is a "better of the two evils." Maybe the domestic policy debate will be much better; but if I could vote, I would definitely go for Nader.
ˇViva los Católicos! |
| hammerhands |
Posted - 10/01/2004 : 11:39:05
Happyland
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if anyone gives a rat's ass
The all Bush debating team, intrinsically flawed logic. |
| Erebus |
Posted - 10/01/2004 : 11:35:52
quote:
Originally posted by KimStanleyRobinson
Go get em, erebus...thats what you're good at.
$5 says you own a gun.
That must be a Clintonian $5, because it's lying.
Actually, given that I'm pulling for civil war between the red states and the blue states, which is to say between the rifles and the illegal handguns, I may have to invest in a .270 with scope, only out of a will to justice and liberty for all mind you. |
| KimStanleyRobinson |
Posted - 10/01/2004 : 11:20:27
Go get em, erebus...thats what you're good at.
$5 says you own a gun.
ohh, and since you've started with throwing cheap shots, saying that "Bush understands" anything is an oxymoronic, paradoxical, contradictory paradigmatic non-statement...and a whole bunch of other bad stuff.
He undertands zilch and he'll be gone in November.
Thanks for playing.  |
| Erebus |
Posted - 10/01/2004 : 11:17:43
quote:
Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
Where are the "Neo Con Youth" members of the forum this morning?
They are usually so outspoken whenever these topics arise.
Unusually silent for some reason today.
Boo hoo.
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Yes, KoK, we're running scared from your puffed shirts.
Both these guys are well-known commodities: one does and one talks, just like his daddy Clinton. Bush understands what is at stake and acts accordingly, while Kerry would sell out the nation to our spineless "allies" and our squinty-eyed enemies, all for a multilateral concensus, on what? Rolling over, that's what. Kerry's idea of superior leadership is to hold a "summit" to devise a foreign policy which will "pass the global test". You mean there's a test to win the accolade "European", other than folding while 100 million people were murdered for the sake of "peace in our time"?
You Dems just keep talking about debates, that's what you're good at. |
| Ebb Vicious |
Posted - 10/01/2004 : 10:42:52
quote:
Originally posted by hammerhands
The world's full of fine print. Get use to it.
yes and it's like that so it's a pain in the ass to read.
way to justify your actions, chester.
also yes kerry is just another politician what the hell do you expect? JFK was just another politician too. everyone in politics is just another politician.
yes it would be nice to have a real leader but that's not going to happen. |
| ObfuscateByWill |
Posted - 10/01/2004 : 10:30:53
I must be on another planet.
Nearly every time Kerry opened his mouth I cringed. Just another fucking politician.
I guess I was expecting more. Something to applaud other than causing Bush to pause for a second or two to remember his canned response to Kerry's canned provocation.
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I feel Bush did a great job. He seemed calm, responsible ..personable. Someone you'd take sailing with you.
Kerry seemed so much more rehearsed. Everything canned. Even the god damn gesturing. That two hand katrate-chop thing he does. Pfft.
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I guess that's all kinda superficial.
Still voting Kerry. Turns my stomach, though.
 Take a bite of the chocolate coffin. |
| PsychicTwin |
Posted - 10/01/2004 : 10:30:35
quote:
Originally posted by apl4eris
Psychic, if you get CSPAN, you might be able to catch a replay of the debates there. If not, you can watch them on their website!:
http://www.c-span.org/
apl-
Thanks! |
| hammerhands |
Posted - 10/01/2004 : 10:24:16
The world's full of fine print. Get use to it. |
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