| T O P I C R E V I E W |
| speedy_m |
Posted - 07/11/2006 : 09:57:16
Am I the only one who thinks that In The Time of My Ruin could be a Pixies song? Imagine Kim rocking that bass line and Joey hitting those guitar fills. I thought this when I first heard it, and then when I heard the Catholics demo of Selkie Bride, I realized how much who is playing affects the "feel" of a song. Selkie Bride suddenly became a rocker, all because of the feel of the bass and drum work. In the Time of My Ruin could easily by a Pixies song. Provided of course that Dave could pull off that amazing stuttered kick/double kick drum fill (what is that exactly, Mr. Tiven?). I love this song.
he's back jack smoking crack find him if you want to get found
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| cellar_door |
Posted - 08/15/2006 : 09:40:09
This song is now in my top 10 FB tracks. That's my story and I'm sticking to it !
I was a hawk, and I just flew... yeah. |
| ScottP |
Posted - 07/28/2006 : 18:29:14
Check out the discography on Anton's web site www.antonfig.com. He's a drum giant.
Honeycomb too, eh? |
| prozacrat |
Posted - 07/28/2006 : 17:58:49
Speaking of Anton Fig, wasn't that Anton who played drums with the Pixies when they played Trompe Le Monde on Letterman back in the early '90s, while David Lovering stood off to the side and shook some maracas?
http://www.prozacrat.com |
| speedy_m |
Posted - 07/27/2006 : 07:50:49
Interesting, Don't Cry That Way and In the Time of My Ruin are possibly my two faves. Certainly both top 5.
he's back jack smoking crack find him if you want to get found
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| Jontiven |
Posted - 07/27/2006 : 07:23:31
In my humble opinion, theonecontender's Catholic attribution is not particularly on the mark.
The musicians on it are Carol Kaye (bass), Duane Jarvis (guitar), P.F. Sloan (piano, Jim Keltner (drums) and of course Dave (pedal steel). Draw your own conclusions, I just think these particular musicians knew how to execute a Frank Black song perfectly (same personnel on "Don't Cry That Way").
bye,
Jon Tiven |
| Ziggy |
Posted - 07/27/2006 : 03:11:08
Dave P played pedal steel on it. |
| theonecontender |
Posted - 07/27/2006 : 00:20:04
quote:
Originally posted by Jontiven
As soon as we had cut this song, I said to Charles that it provided the linkage between his solo work and his Pixies material. And it HAD to be on the album. Glad some of you agree.
I think the reason for this song sounding like the link between pixies and new Frank solo is because this song has a very 'Catholics' feel to it. Especially the tremelo on the guitar ala dave/rich (can't remember who used it more), big one-hit chords ala EDF, slide guitar ala dave/rich. Did Rich and or DaveP play on this track? I wouldn't be surprised at all.. Thanks in advance,
1c |
| josephmichael |
Posted - 07/25/2006 : 22:21:51
Keltner is a drumming great without a doubt. When I saw Mr. Keltner's name on the song credits I was eager to hear which track was his. I thought this the least likely song after hearing it though, which proves I know absolutely nothing.
In anycase, I also felt the "sloppiness" but thanks to Mr. Tiven's explanation things make a bit more sense. Having to play the tambourine simultaneous with the drums isn't an easy feat. In terms of the parts that sound odd to me: a missed(?) vs. less voluminous high-hat at 0:07 on 3& sounds hesitant and on the first bar after the drums "kick in" there is an inconsistency in the high-hat with an apparent patternless switching between open and closed accents. Most noticeable for me however, is the fill on the first bar of the verse after the chorus at 1:49. It begins at the beginning of the bar in the verse instead of the end of the previous section which is the traditional spot for fills. This could be really cool, but it's followed up by another weird HH/tambourine pattern for the remainder of the bar until it gets back into the groove making it sound less intentional and makes one wonder if it isn't the fault of the 3 bar phrasing.
Again, this all could just be because of the percussion issue, but I prefer to think of this as an intentional thematic undertaking on Mr. Keltner's part. The song is about the time of one's ruin, and a messy sounding pattern actually fits it. This is most likely drums working at another level. I'm sure if Mr. Keltner wanted another take, he would have gotten another take.
Plus that fill at 1:27 is friggin awesome. |
| ScottP |
Posted - 07/15/2006 : 11:08:11
Cheers, Dr. Evil. |
| dr.Evil |
Posted - 07/15/2006 : 03:55:13
quote:
Originally posted by ScottP
Anton Fig. Tough to beat having him in on the project. Why, I believe that's him playing drums on Ace Frehley's first coked out solo record, too. The one where they all did a solo record while still in Kiss ('78?). Ace's was the best by far.
It's cool to know he played on Frank's new record. Thanks Tiven.
Rumors says he played on Kiss Unmasked as well. And Frehley's Comets first one. Paul's was the best by far.
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| ScottP |
Posted - 07/15/2006 : 02:37:52
That's what SHE said. |
| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 07/15/2006 : 02:15:06
Post again, let me see...
Wasn't it 301 before?
 "No man remains quite what he was when he recognizes himself." |
| Jontiven |
Posted - 07/14/2006 : 16:28:45
You're welcome, Scott.
Hey, how come I've had 302 posts for at least 5 posts in a row?
I demand a recount!
bye,
Jon |
| ScottP |
Posted - 07/14/2006 : 15:19:16
Anton Fig. Tough to beat having him in on the project. Why, I believe that's him playing drums on Ace Frehley's first coked out solo record, too. The one where they all did a solo record while still in Kiss ('78?). Ace's was the best by far.
It's cool to know he played on Frank's new record. Thanks Tiven. |
| Grotesque |
Posted - 07/14/2006 : 13:01:28
My live-to-two-tracks-video-game-learnt english?
Well forget it, it's just some granny gossip. |
| TRANSMARINE |
Posted - 07/14/2006 : 12:51:22
quote:
Originally posted by Grotesque
The most stupid thing when you hear some young rock band on the radio is that they generally try to copy the stooges musically, but actually their drum sound is much closer to motley crue or depeche mode than any stooges recording! They would NEVER put some hands clap like "No Fun".
Just me, or was this confusing?
Hank the 8th was a duplicated man
-bRIAN |
| Jontiven |
Posted - 07/14/2006 : 11:14:54
"Highway To Lowdown" is Anton Fig on drums, we left his name off the album by mistake. He's a monster....seen nightly on Letterman.
Sorry Anton.
bye,
Jon Tiven |
| Grotesque |
Posted - 07/14/2006 : 09:13:05
I was just chating with a friend about how dumb most rock ingeniors mix the drums nowadays: Snare? High frequencies! Low drum? Low frequencies! And make it beat hard like a stadium sono!
In FMRM the toms and snare drums seem to beat low AND high, and about the low drum, you FEEL it but not really HEAR it.
You get the groove along with the other instruments, it's much more musical.
The most stupid thing when you hear some young rock band on the radio is that they generally try to copy the stooges musically, but actually their drum sound is much closer to motley crue or depeche mode than any stooges recording! They would NEVER put some hands clap like "No Fun". |
| ScottP |
Posted - 07/14/2006 : 09:12:08
The drum SOUND is so good that it's really hard to criticize the performance. There are alot of other cool things happening in this song as well. It's a decent drum take, but just not special to me.
Special to me is Highway To Lowdown. That song's drums are so in the pocket I threw up in my mouth a little. Sounds like Vincent. Could be Keltner. Who is the sick person who played the drums on HTL? |
| speedy_m |
Posted - 07/14/2006 : 08:58:10
quote:
Originally posted by ScottP
The drum sound on this track is the best on the entire recording. This struck me on first listen. But, I probably would have asked for another, or different take for the final cut. The fills seem a little *hides head* sloppy to me. Especially the intro fill.
That said, I'm interested in what steps were taken to make the sound of the drums in this song stand above the others. They sound more atmospheric, or live. There's an obvious difference that cannot be attributed to the performer, but more to the production.
Great song. One of Frank's best extended outtros, too.
If you're talking about the same "intro" fill I'm thinking of, then I agree with you that it sounds kind of "sloppy", in that it seems to "fade" a bit toward the end, losing volume and tempo. Upon repeated listens, I really like how it sounds and have to assume that it was intentional. I can't imagine a proffessional (sessional?) drummer missing such an easy fill, nor allowing it be in the final mix (unless this was a happy accident that they liked). As for the rest of the drumming, I love it. The simple, driving beat in the chorus makes me want to shake my butt (but not too hard), and the fill I asked Jon about still makes me shake my head. One foot! Unreal. Perhaps for a seasoned drummer, that's no big deal, but for a novice that seems like a bit of Yngwie Malmsteen-eque theatrics. In a good way.
he's back jack smoking crack find him if you want to get found
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| ScottP |
Posted - 07/14/2006 : 08:56:23
Hmmm. That drum sound may be worth dying for. Tough decision. Let me think it over, and I'll have my people get in touch with your people.
At very least you agree the drums got a different tweak. I'm satisfied with that admission.
p.s. aren't you supposed to be at work right now? |
| Jontiven |
Posted - 07/14/2006 : 08:43:48
Trade secret. I cannot reveal, or I'd have to kill you.
bye,
Jon Tiven |
| ScottP |
Posted - 07/14/2006 : 08:29:02
The drum sound on this track is the best on the entire recording. This struck me on first listen. But, I probably would have asked for another, or different take for the final cut. The fills seem a little *hides head* sloppy to me. Especially the intro fill.
That said, I'm interested in what steps were taken to make the sound of the drums in this song stand above the others. They sound more atmospheric, or live. There's an obvious difference that cannot be attributed to the performer, but more to the production.
Great song. One of Frank's best extended outtros, too.
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| Grotesque |
Posted - 07/14/2006 : 07:54:59
quote:
Originally posted by ScottP
quote:
Originally posted by Jontiven
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The drum brilliance is Jim Keltner, the best at his best.
I also wondered about this drum take. Except I think it sounds nervous and kinda like the guy was getting in over his head a few times. To discover it was performed by a quality musician, and that it is thought of as a superb effort really leaves me feeling stranded.
I'm not a drummer. And I'm not looking for an argument. But if you guys who think its a great take could explain why you think so, in greater detail, I'd love to hear it.
Well... I play drums a bit and the compliment would be "It's beautifull but I can't really tell what he's playing". Just like the best music: it makes you forget that it is actually music.
It's catchy but yet very sophisticated without excluding anybody from the listen. |
| Mac E. Doobage |
Posted - 07/14/2006 : 04:17:04
Here, here!
quote:
Originally posted by Jontiven
No offense Scott, but if you can't feel it there really is no explaining.
bye,
Jon Tiven
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| ScottP |
Posted - 07/13/2006 : 20:34:47
None taken. I was just looking for a little drum convo. Love drum chat. |
| Jontiven |
Posted - 07/13/2006 : 20:00:02
No offense Scott, but if you can't feel it there really is no explaining.
bye,
Jon Tiven |
| ScottP |
Posted - 07/13/2006 : 19:33:41
quote:
Originally posted by Jontiven
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The drum brilliance is Jim Keltner, the best at his best.
I also wondered about this drum take. Except I think it sounds nervous and kinda like the guy was getting in over his head a few times. To discover it was performed by a quality musician, and that it is thought of as a superb effort really leaves me feeling stranded.
I'm not a drummer. And I'm not looking for an argument. But if you guys who think its a great take could explain why you think so, in greater detail, I'd love to hear it. |
| kfs |
Posted - 07/13/2006 : 10:14:38
The beginning of this song reminds me of that old song Last Kiss. Iforgot who sings it. Anyone else notice this? |
| pixiestu |
Posted - 07/13/2006 : 08:56:32
Me too! There are plenty of Frank's lyrics I've got wrong before.
"The arc of triumph" |
| Chris Fabulous |
Posted - 07/13/2006 : 08:39:43
quote:
Originally posted by TRANSMARINE
Until the lyrics were posted here by Frank a few months back, I always thought it was:
Some pain is good / sometimes it's good to be blind / Some pain feels good / if that's a pain in the ass, it's just the right kind
Until just now I thought it was that.
CF
www.chrisfabulous.com |
| Ziggy |
Posted - 07/13/2006 : 01:33:51
Ah, thanks! |
| Miss Thing |
Posted - 07/12/2006 : 21:14:19
once upon a time |
| TRANSMARINE |
Posted - 07/12/2006 : 13:19:46
Until the lyrics were posted here by Frank a few months back, I always thought it was:
Some pain is good / sometimes it's good to be blind / Some pain feels good / if that's a pain in the ass, it's just the right kind
hahaha! I like my version better! 
Hank the 8th was a duplicated man
-bRIAN |
| billgoodman |
Posted - 07/12/2006 : 07:40:37
the girlfriend of Robert Pollard was a tourguide at the Winston Churchill Memorial
would be cool if Violet was a curator, so in my mind she is
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God save the Noisies |
