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| puredenizenofthecitizensb |
Posted - 04/05/2005 : 08:28:17
I listened to "Honeycomb" on the net and it might as well be FB & The C's. No studio tricks, no bells/whistles like we got from the first FB or Teenager. Don't get me wrong, it's all good - guitar is very sophisticated and elegant, musicians are obvious pros. Just wish there was more funky production. Needs Feldman or something.
Hey, I still plan on buying the CD and I'm willing to pay full suggested retail price, but...
Whatever happened to Pong?
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| puredenizenofthecitizensb |
Posted - 06/28/2005 : 16:51:30
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art is not a democracy
Take this jack-booted, goose-steppin' filth outta here!
 How come we say Los Angeleez?
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| Carl |
Posted - 06/28/2005 : 15:54:44
Indeed. Great first post. |
| Broken Face |
Posted - 06/28/2005 : 08:41:03
word selkie bride - welcome aboard!
-Brian
If you move I shoots!
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| selkie bride |
Posted - 06/28/2005 : 08:36:26
Suggesting that Frank Black should change his music is ridiculously egocentric. It's his music, and as with all art, it's extremely personal. Contrary to what people seem to think, art is not a democracy, and our opinions--though we're entitled to them—are pretty much superfluous and have no business leaking onto the artist. Thinking that your opinion will change a man’s art is just plain arrogance.
So... I have a simple suggestion for all of you who don't like Frank Black's latest musical direction: go make your own! It's as simple as that, isn’t it? You all have so many suggestions about how it should be recorded, who should be producing, what types of songs there should be, etc., that maybe you should take these suggestions and incorporate them into your own music. Let me know when you do... ok? Somehow though, I don't expect that to happen very soon.
It's a beautiful day... |
| VoVat |
Posted - 05/11/2005 : 11:53:24
It's an inside joke, I guess, but not a particularly hip one. There was a General Chat thread with the title "Does onyone know this song?", so someone registered as "onyone," and made a post.
I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied. |
| johndietzel |
Posted - 05/10/2005 : 21:44:43
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Originally posted by VoVat
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I (I am anyone, BTW)
Are you Onyone, though?
At the risk of missing some hip inside joke thing, here's this:
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"One is sometimes tempted to wish that the superlative could be abolished, or its use allowed only to old experts. What are men to do when they get to heaven, after having exhausted their vocabulary of admiration on earth?"
--Oliver W. Holmes,
Our Hundred Days in Europe |
| Carl |
Posted - 05/10/2005 : 17:24:59
I over heard Kim Deal talking to Lyle Workman saying that he was going to go down to NO-TRACK recording....just then, Eric Drew Feldman burst in the door and scuppered that rumour with a hearty shake of the fist!! ;) |
| Kirk |
Posted - 05/10/2005 : 14:56:24
Rumor has it that Frank Black is going down to ONE TRACK recordings....
that's right... Mono
:) |
| VoVat |
Posted - 05/10/2005 : 09:58:09
quote:
I (I am anyone, BTW)
Are you Onyone, though?
I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied. |
| johndietzel |
Posted - 05/09/2005 : 21:34:57
quote:
Originally posted by spaceghost11
i don't think anyone can argue that his catholic albums AS A WHOLE are even close to being on par with the Pixies or even his first two solo efforts.
I (I am anyone, BTW) hereby argue that Frank Black's first solo record cannot carry the jock strap of any of the first five Catholics records (through BLD/DW). Until SMYT, it was his worst solo record. If nothing else, I could easily see his move away from studio snazz as a reaction to the shiny happy crappification that came out of the tinny hyperproduction of Frank Black eponymous.
Trompe Le Monde (arguably their most studio-y record) could not loosen the latchet of DitS's shoe. Dog In The Sand is easily Frank's best solo effort, and ranks with Doolittle & Surfer Rosa; it is a timeless masterpiece.
See how easy opinions are to fling around?
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"One is sometimes tempted to wish that the superlative could be abolished, or its use allowed only to old experts. What are men to do when they get to heaven, after having exhausted their vocabulary of admiration on earth?"
--Oliver W. Holmes,
Our Hundred Days in Europe |
| scobes |
Posted - 05/09/2005 : 04:58:53
interesting... my only complaint about the first FB album and (to a lesser extent) TOTY was that i thought they were overproduced (similar to my problem with Trompe Le Monde). I really enjoy the FB+C albums on two track. |
| BLT |
Posted - 04/11/2005 : 12:47:08
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Originally posted by floop
what about Al Pacino?
Didn't they haul him off to the "Richard III" ward? |
| floop |
Posted - 04/11/2005 : 12:08:17
what about Al Pacino?
know what i'm sayin' dawg? |
| puredenizenofthecitizensb |
Posted - 04/11/2005 : 11:51:30
Geez tough crowd! How about some Olivier as Hamlet?
"Thou wretched, rash, intruding fool, farewell!"
How come we say Los Angeleez?
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| BLT |
Posted - 04/11/2005 : 11:13:29
Along with Shatner and Richard Dreyfus, he's part of my Triumvirate of Over-actors. |
| spaceghost11 |
Posted - 04/11/2005 : 11:08:36
Speaking of people who get leniency because they used to be good...... |
| puredenizenofthecitizensb |
Posted - 04/11/2005 : 09:57:40
Nevermind.
Just when I thought I was out... they pull me back in!
How come we say Los Angeleez?
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| billgoodman |
Posted - 04/11/2005 : 09:06:54
who?
 "I joined the cult of Jon Tiven/Bye!" |
| puredenizenofthecitizensb |
Posted - 04/11/2005 : 08:59:19
My concern has now shifted from FB becoming James Taylor to some of his fans becoming Rupert Pupkin.
How come we say Los Angeleez?
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| mikemitchell |
Posted - 04/11/2005 : 08:09:38
How can yu take "this live thing" too far? And what spice are you referring to? Are you sure you're not just looking for additives and preservatives? Personally I find the current FB flavor delicious and fresh. feed meeeeee James Taylor?! Time to broaden the spectrum by citizen.  quote:
Originally posted bypuredenizenofthecitizensb
Again, all the FB & the C's sounds marvelous, excellent and bitchin'. What I'm longing for is some effort in the doo-dads dept. Some layers, some art! Whatever happened to art?
Live is fine, it sounds good - especially when you're there. FB has taken this "live" thing too far. It's getting old. We get it already. You and your band are #@%&* amazing without trying. Let's put some spice back into our marriage.
I was really hoping FB would do something that would freak my $#it since he wasn't w/ the Catholics, but I was a little disappointed to hear that its more of the same (Catholics).
I'm not necessarily saying he needs to get Eric Drew Feldman back, but he needs to get more creative because he's dangerously close to becoming James Taylor.
SOME GIBBERISH IT IS SO SERIOUS
WHAT WE NEED IS MORE SILLY MEN
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| billgoodman |
Posted - 04/11/2005 : 02:51:05
am I the only one who thinks that Honeycomb is a change? I read that some people think that
it's not really what they expected since the Catholics are not recording with him anymore.
But because it doesn't sound like TOTY or Surfer Rosa doesn't mean it's the same
music than FB and The C's records.
There aren't even pedalsteel guitars on Honeycomb for instance.
The last 4 FB and The C's had lots of those.
There are no big rockers on Honeycomb, no Massif Centrale, no 1826.
Production-wise, it's not entirly live and not on 2 track, it's different, not only technical
but also how everything is arranged.
This music sounds not really as country as DITS. It has more soul, for instance the backing vocals, they are groovy, more harmony.
Those Solo's are very different too, Rich Gilbert won't play a solo like on My Life is in Storage.
Can I imagine the catholics playing this music? Yeah probably. The pixies? No way in hell!
But that's not the issue, I think Honeycomb is a different way, so it's good that this a Frank Black record and not a FB and the C's.
"I joined the cult of Jon Tiven/Bye!" |
| IceCream |
Posted - 04/10/2005 : 21:00:17
I'm not a fanboy. I admit that I don't really like his body of work in the 21st century. I'm not afraid to tell my true opinion because Frank is watching. I love Frank's intention for a new direction. Doesn't mean I like the result.
So why do I buy the albums?
because, as floop said, the man's full of suprises. I LOVE TO DEATH "Frank Black Francis". A 10 out of 10 album. The exception to my comment about "I don't really like his body of work in the 21st century". |
| floop |
Posted - 04/10/2005 : 17:11:37
i actually agree with most of what puredenizen is saying, in terms of hoping for a new direction post-Catholics.. i would love for a new FB solo album to take a new direction, again.. i still have hope though.. the man is full of surprises. that said, i do love the direction he's taken thus far (count me in too spaceghost).. but, yes, would love to see him do something different. but i'm sure he will
know what i'm sayin' dawg? |
| floop |
Posted - 04/10/2005 : 17:03:51
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Originally posted by spaceghost11
Everyone is still defending on principal...Can't get a straight answer out of u long-timers.
your question was "does anyone like the direction he's gone with the catholics?" ..
spend some time going through the archives a bit. this site has been here for a while. i'm guessing you'll find a post or two where people like the Catholics
know what i'm sayin' dawg? |
| puredenizenofthecitizensb |
Posted - 04/10/2005 : 16:16:39
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Originally posted by VoVat
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The funny thing is, if FB makes a kid's sing-along album or a rap album, we'll all go out and buy it because it's FB. But, if anyone here criticizes it, they will be publicly flogged by the forum cops.
Oh, come on! When has anyone here been "flogged" for their opinions? The only people here who could accurately be considered "list cops" are the three moderators, and I haven't known any of them to ban anyone for saying they didn't like Frank's new direction, or any particular album. This "Help, help! I'm being repressed!" kind of complaint really gets my goat. There were quite a few people who made complaints like that on another list I was on, and, annoyingly and inexplicably, the moderator actually took THEIR side. Sure, you're probably going to get some flak for bad-mouthing any of Frank's work on a Frank Black message board, but so what? That's just other people's opinions, which are just as valid as yours. To say that someone offering an opposing opinion equates to a "flogging" is just ridiculous.
"Reunion? Shit union!"
No, no I only said they would be flogged if they criticized the kid's sing-along or the rap album. And for the record, I never said being flogged was a bad thing. Some people are into being flogged just like some people are into low budget recording.
How come we say Los Angeleez?
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| VoVat |
Posted - 04/10/2005 : 15:07:01
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The funny thing is, if FB makes a kid's sing-along album or a rap album, we'll all go out and buy it because it's FB. But, if anyone here criticizes it, they will be publicly flogged by the forum cops.
Oh, come on! When has anyone here been "flogged" for their opinions? The only people here who could accurately be considered "list cops" are the three moderators, and I haven't known any of them to ban anyone for saying they didn't like Frank's new direction, or any particular album. This "Help, help! I'm being repressed!" kind of complaint really gets my goat. There were quite a few people who made complaints like that on another list I was on, and, annoyingly and inexplicably, the moderator actually took THEIR side. Sure, you're probably going to get some flak for bad-mouthing any of Frank's work on a Frank Black message board, but so what? That's just other people's opinions, which are just as valid as yours. To say that someone offering an opposing opinion equates to a "flogging" is just ridiculous.
"Reunion? Shit union!" |
| spaceghost11 |
Posted - 04/10/2005 : 14:38:43
Thank you Nimrod, i appreciate someone taking a side here. As i sit here and listen to FB, i realize, the production aspect goes hand in hand with the songs being written and maybe the point of all this is, I liked the complex songs in the past where the production HAD to be complex. These days, his songs are simplistic, hence the simplistic production. I totally agree with you Nimrod, 90% of the production is good, and even great. There are a few on BLD that sound like demos--True Blue, farewell bend--and on SMYT--Coastline, When will happiness--but i think the production otherwise is pretty good. Also DITS has some gems production wise, but others are too much like a bootleg. So let me say this, simplistic production compliments his "new" style of music, and in the end, maybe us "whiners" are just wishing for more complex songs that necesitate more complex production. Keep rocking hard Jason, I appreciate ur insight...... |
| NimrodsSon |
Posted - 04/10/2005 : 13:38:59
I, for one, love the new direction he's taken. Black Letter Days was the first Frank Black album I heard and it's what completely blew me out of the water and made me become completely obsessed with Frank's music; and now, 10 albums and numerous bootlegs later, I still love it. I can honestly say I listen to and enjoy the "country"-flavored stuff more than the first three solo albums and far more than any of the Pixies albums. The only thing I've ever said I'm not a big fan of is the production, and some of it is decent.
ˇViva los Católicos! http://adrianfoster.dmusic.com/ |
| Jason |
Posted - 04/10/2005 : 13:32:29
quote:
Originally posted by spaceghost11
And still no one will stand up and say they like his new direction--Hilarious! So far all I'm hearing is "I'm not a fan of the country flavor but...." Oh and don't forget, if we say something bad, Big Brother Frank is watching! HILARIOUS.
Is this single thread linked from a Pitchfork board or something?
You seem to think this thread is the only Honeycomb discussion here. There are several other threads on this board where people DO say they like his new direction. They even "stand up" and say it, Eminem.
(spaceghost11's reply: "Those comments don't count. They have to be made in this thread. Also they must be made on or before April 15 or a penalty will be assesed. It will take 3-4 business days to process positive posts about Honeycomb.")
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| spaceghost11 |
Posted - 04/10/2005 : 13:18:59
And still no one will stand up and say they like his new direction--Hilarious! So far all I'm hearing is "I'm not a fan of the country flavor but...." Oh and don't forget, if we say something bad, Big Brother Frank is watching! HILARIOUS. |
| puredenizenofthecitizensb |
Posted - 04/10/2005 : 12:46:08
quote:
Originally posted by Carl
People's tastes change and 'mature', and that includes musical artists(except The Ramones!) At least Frank is'nt doin TOTY mark-10 at this stage. There's nothing wrong with a change.
Good point Carl. Now that's what I'm looking for! I hope you're reading this Jason.
How come we say Los Angeleez?
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| Carl |
Posted - 04/10/2005 : 12:41:19
People's tastes change and 'mature', and that includes musical artists(except The Ramones!) At least Frank is'nt doin TOTY mark-10 at this stage. There's nothing wrong with a change. |
| starmekitten |
Posted - 04/10/2005 : 12:24:38
How can you guys be so judgmental on a version of an album that isn't even finished?
Frank can put his name to it because it's his work. It sounds different from other Frank Black records because there has been a lot of time passed since his first batch of solo work and this, he has done other things musically his style has changed. I doubt $$$ was a factor in the way this album has been made because the reunion would have bought some cash in as well as all the album sales I doubt he is short of a quid or two. I also doubt that if the man were less than happy with honeycomb he would let it be released, this album has been long enough coming I figure he wouldn't be too fussed about waiting longer to fiddle around with it if he felt in necesary.
What is it with the long timers business as well, thats crap. You only have to glance round to see people will say if they don't like something. Jason has stated before he hasn't heard honeycomb yet spaceghost, if you actually read the thread rather than trying to pick some flaccid argument you would have gotten that.
This is a frank forum, there's a hell of a lot of real big catholics fans here who do love the honeycomb they have heard. Why is that so difficult for you to understand? they have a different opinion to yours but that doesn't make it less valid.
Myself, I have heard it, I don't love it but I'm not a big fan of a lot of the country vibe to the later music. There are a couple of songs on there however I think are superb and I will be buying the album because of those songs and because I can't rightly judge the album on the leaked version.
Also, the accusations of sycophantism are unfounded. It is well known that the man has visited the forum, as well as plenty of other people associated with the records. Generally out of common courtesy and a bit of basic respect people try to keep their critiscm constructive rather than dismissing an entire album or recording technique with accusations that it's cheap 'n' quick and therfore diminished.
 I joined the cult of Derek/ because Dereks don't run |
| Jason |
Posted - 04/10/2005 : 12:19:55
Okay. I hate the new albums. That's my honest opinion.
Puredenizen is right. They sound a lot like Britney Spears. |
| spaceghost11 |
Posted - 04/10/2005 : 11:28:51
U keep proving my point Jason--still floundering around to save FB face without ever actually giving your opinion on whether you like the new albums or not.....hard to pin you long-timers down. |
