| T O P I C R E V I E W |
| johnc |
Posted - 04/19/2007 : 09:02:12
Just had a mailing from seetickets.com...
FRANK BLACK
Shepherds Bush Empire date on sale 9am Friday 20th April.
ANYONE WITH A DATE???
Cheers
John |
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| Leah |
Posted - 07/25/2007 : 14:40:58
There was a review of the gig in one of the London freebies - did anyone else save it?
I kept the paper but my pathological untidiness meant the boyfriend threw it out - can't say I blame him but feel rather foolish now...
Every choice human being strives instinctively for a citadel and a secrecy where he is saved from the crowd -
Nietzsche |
| tofuescape |
Posted - 07/23/2007 : 01:35:56
Thanks fbc. I'd forgotten the part where he buggers up Veloria...very funny. I was there and would dearly love a copy of the rest of the show, but am also dimeadozenless. Any chance? Thanks dearly if yes, no worries if no. Dave (des29@cam.ac.uk) |
| fbc |
Posted - 07/20/2007 : 00:04:42
you know there is. check your email when you wake up. |
| PixieSteve |
Posted - 07/19/2007 : 17:54:34
quote:
Originally posted by fbc
quote:
Originally posted by Llamadance
there's a recording on DIME, thanks to funkygibbon
thanks for the heads up. it's made my day.
the acoustic set for those who are dimeadozenless.
cheers fbc, any chance of the rest? 
"Idiot" is just her sig. |
| rodney |
Posted - 07/19/2007 : 15:16:24
I think SOME of the comments about this tour, regarding short sets, and whatnot also apply to the last US tour in support of Fast Man/Raider Man. I wonder if the European perspective would be different if they had seen those shows too. Of course, that band was VERY tight, but there could be similar complaints about both. |
| junkmale |
Posted - 07/19/2007 : 12:56:13
quote:
Originally posted by Rockin I am
[quote]Originally posted by junkmale
Well, having read the reviews of previous nights on the tour it was exactly what I expected but even lowering my expectations I was disappointed. I am aware that this wasn't a pick-up band (that was a throw away remark of mine - maybe you didn't 'get it')and Frank can have who he likes in his band, but that doesn't change my opinion (he can get it wrong you know, he's not the pope!). I think you are being a little condescending. I saw several punk bands in the late 70s and early 80s who genuinly 'couldn't play' but had loads of energy and I loved it (yes, I am that old). But this didn't work in my opinion.
Well junkmale, apologies for not reading your original scribblings.;-)
I didn't set out to be condescending.. just straight off the keyboard ranting. Yes - I too am old (45) - punk to the roots also, but to keep making excuses for such a poor gig is tad lame.
I accept there can be, and are, mistakes made but even so - I think we seem to be mostly from the same hymn sheet
[quote]Originally posted by fbc
Cheers, Rockin'. I am 45 in threee weeks time(!) No offense taken and none intended |
| fbc |
Posted - 07/19/2007 : 09:12:05
quote:
Originally posted by Llamadance
there's a recording on DIME, thanks to funkygibbon
thanks for the heads up. it's made my day.
the acoustic set for those who are dimeadozenless. |
| Jason |
Posted - 07/19/2007 : 07:58:58
quote:
Originally posted by kelladwella
That's good news. Thanks Llama.
I wonder what the sound quality of this recording is. The other two shows of this tour on dime suck pretty bad soundwise.
The sample clips don't sound great, but I think they sound maybe a touch or two better than that first Lille torrent. |
| vilainde |
Posted - 07/19/2007 : 07:06:19
quote:
Originally posted by barnard666
My girlfriend didnt like it, she though the show was flat and devoid of variation. I however liked this aspect of it, it was like a balls to the wall AC-DC show or something, just full on! his screaming and agression were a real suprise for me...and a good one. I love evil rock music, and frank seemed to deliver just that. screw dynamics when you can just play loud all the time (that last part was sarcastic...kind of).
I was so happy that I didnt get a honeycomb / fast man raider man set...just pure action!
so the cover track he did (not reckerfella the other one) isnt on the new record?? say it isnt so...it was great...although not as great as that typewriter song...
I'll wait and buy the record, I dont want to ruin it by downloading it first...does the jaopanese copy have an extra track? I may preorder that instead of the usual buying the UK copy then forking out an extra £35 for the japanese copy!!
Hey James! Good to see you back here. I knew you'd enjoy the show (and the new album).
What's the typewriter song?
Also, is Shitrock Motherfuckers out yet?
Denis
"Can you hear me? I aint got shit to say." |
| kelladwella |
Posted - 07/19/2007 : 06:11:29
That's good news. Thanks Llama.
I wonder what the sound quality of this recording is. The other two shows of this tour on dime suck pretty bad soundwise. |
| Llamadance |
Posted - 07/19/2007 : 05:50:24
there's a recording on DIME, thanks to funkygibbon
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=155002
No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God George Bush snr |
| fbc |
Posted - 07/19/2007 : 02:05:35
quote:
Originally posted by junkmale
quote:
Originally posted by fbc
'You Can't Break A Heart And Have It' is on Bluefinger.
'Remake/Remodel' is a b-side from way back.
I think Remake/Remodel is on Oddballs. It's a Roxy Music song
It is. A collection of b-sides and bonus tracks. |
| fbc |
Posted - 07/19/2007 : 01:56:36
quote:
Originally posted by Rockin I am
quote:
Originally posted by fbc
Honestly, I think we should all after reviews and posts in these threads state quite clearly what angle as a Frank Black fan we're coming from. You know, what era/albums of the man sucked us in at the beginning. That way, all these comments will make some sort of sense. I'm not saying one catergory and their opinions is better than another, either, just that the man turns us all on in different ways.
It is such a shame the nature of such forums always seems to focus on..
1) I was a fan b4 u were..
2) I am a greater fan than u r
3) I am much more musically aware than u r
This is really bs - btw the last gig I walked out on was a strange incarnation of Mud circa 1983 (some original members - but best not to have!)
You read my post wrong. Stu didn't. I could have explained myself better. |
| Jefrey |
Posted - 07/18/2007 : 22:36:37
quote:
Originally posted by Rockin I am
quote:
Originally posted by junkmale
Well, having read the reviews of previous nights on the tour it was exactly what I expected but even lowering my expectations I was disappointed. I am aware that this wasn't a pick-up band (that was a throw away remark of mine - maybe you didn't 'get it')and Frank can have who he likes in his band, but that doesn't change my opinion (he can get it wrong you know, he's not the pope!). I think you are being a little condescending. I saw several punk bands in the late 70s and early 80s who genuinly 'couldn't play' but had loads of energy and I loved it (yes, I am that old). But this didn't work in my opinion.
Well junkmale, apologies for not reading your original scribblings.;-)
I didn't set out to be condescending.. just straight off the keyboard ranting. Yes - I too am old (45) - punk to the roots also, but to keep making excuses for such a poor gig is tad lame.
I accept there can be, and are, mistakes made but even so - I think we seem to be mostly from the same hymn sheet
quote:
Originally posted by fbc
Honestly, I think we should all after reviews and posts in these threads state quite clearly what angle as a Frank Black fan we're coming from. You know, what era/albums of the man sucked us in at the beginning. That way, all these comments will make some sort of sense. I'm not saying one catergory and their opinions is better than another, either, just that the man turns us all on in different ways.
It is such a shame the nature of such forums always seems to focus on..
1) I was a fan b4 u were..
2) I am a greater fan than u r
3) I am much more musically aware than u r
This is really bs - btw the last gig I walked out on was a strange incarnation of Mud circa 1983 (some original members - but best not to have!)
I'm a greater fan than u r?
I've never seen anyone who posts regularly on this forum make anything close to any of those statements. Or use any kind of inane abbreviations.
Just because you thought the show sucked is no need to insult the entire forum. If you really like music, especially FB music, and you want to have an adult conversation about it, I think you'll actually find that this is probably one of the few places you'll find it.
== jeffamerica == |
| pixiestu |
Posted - 07/18/2007 : 16:12:07
I'm sure those three things have nothing to do with what fbc intended to say. It's just that over the last two decades FB has produced so much diverse material that it's easy to favour one particular style over another (ie Frank's 'Nashville' period). If someone got really into Honeycomb and was expecting something like that from this recent tour, then they'd likely be disappointed, but we'd all know where they were coming from.
That's how I understood fbc's post anyway.
"The arc of triumph" |
| Rockin I am |
Posted - 07/18/2007 : 14:19:29
quote:
Originally posted by junkmale
Well, having read the reviews of previous nights on the tour it was exactly what I expected but even lowering my expectations I was disappointed. I am aware that this wasn't a pick-up band (that was a throw away remark of mine - maybe you didn't 'get it')and Frank can have who he likes in his band, but that doesn't change my opinion (he can get it wrong you know, he's not the pope!). I think you are being a little condescending. I saw several punk bands in the late 70s and early 80s who genuinly 'couldn't play' but had loads of energy and I loved it (yes, I am that old). But this didn't work in my opinion.
Well junkmale, apologies for not reading your original scribblings.;-)
I didn't set out to be condescending.. just straight off the keyboard ranting. Yes - I too am old (45) - punk to the roots also, but to keep making excuses for such a poor gig is tad lame.
I accept there can be, and are, mistakes made but even so - I think we seem to be mostly from the same hymn sheet
quote:
Originally posted by fbc
Honestly, I think we should all after reviews and posts in these threads state quite clearly what angle as a Frank Black fan we're coming from. You know, what era/albums of the man sucked us in at the beginning. That way, all these comments will make some sort of sense. I'm not saying one catergory and their opinions is better than another, either, just that the man turns us all on in different ways.
It is such a shame the nature of such forums always seems to focus on..
1) I was a fan b4 u were..
2) I am a greater fan than u r
3) I am much more musically aware than u r
This is really bs - btw the last gig I walked out on was a strange incarnation of Mud circa 1983 (some original members - but best not to have!) |
| junkmale |
Posted - 07/18/2007 : 12:40:56
quote:
Originally posted by fbc
Honestly, I think we should all after reviews and posts in these threads state quite clearly what angle as a Frank Black fan we're coming from. You know, what era/albums of the man sucked us in at the beginning. That way, all these comments will make some sort of sense. I'm not saying one catergory and their opinions is better than another, either, just that the man turns us all on in different ways.
Rocky?! That last third: mental for spending "HOW MUCH?!!"
I was sucked in by Come on Pilgrim, but I love all his stuff. |
| junkmale |
Posted - 07/18/2007 : 12:38:41
quote:
Originally posted by fbc
'You Can't Break A Heart And Have It' is on Bluefinger.
'Remake/Remodel' is a b-side from way back.
I think Remake/Remodel is on Oddballs. It's a Roxy Music song |
| fbc |
Posted - 07/18/2007 : 08:37:59
'You Can't Break A Heart And Have It' is on Bluefinger.
'Remake/Remodel' is a b-side from way back. |
| barnard666 |
Posted - 07/18/2007 : 08:29:14
My girlfriend didnt like it, she though the show was flat and devoid of variation. I however liked this aspect of it, it was like a balls to the wall AC-DC show or something, just full on! his screaming and agression were a real suprise for me...and a good one. I love evil rock music, and frank seemed to deliver just that. screw dynamics when you can just play loud all the time (that last part was sarcastic...kind of).
I was so happy that I didnt get a honeycomb / fast man raider man set...just pure action!
so the cover track he did (not reckerfella the other one) isnt on the new record?? say it isnt so...it was great...although not as great as that typewriter song...
I'll wait and buy the record, I dont want to ruin it by downloading it first...does the jaopanese copy have an extra track? I may preorder that instead of the usual buying the UK copy then forking out an extra £35 for the japanese copy!! |
| fbc |
Posted - 07/18/2007 : 02:19:44
Honestly, I think we should all after reviews and posts in these threads state quite clearly what angle as a Frank Black fan we're coming from. You know, what era/albums of the man sucked us in at the beginning. That way, all these comments will make some sort of sense. I'm not saying one catergory and their opinions is better than another, either, just that the man turns us all on in different ways.
Rocky?! That last third: mental for spending "HOW MUCH?!!" |
| junkmale |
Posted - 07/18/2007 : 01:40:34
quote:
Originally posted by Moisha
Just had to have my two pennies worth here, although it seems a lot of other people above have got the general idea. I'm sure you all know that Frank didn't just pick up a few local musicians to bash through some of his songs, he's in a position to pick and choose from a number of top musicians for his band or any project he's doing, so I think you can assume he chose this band because they're the people he wanted. To illustrate, you say that Ding's bass playing is crude like it's a bad thing! And anyway, I don't recall him being behind the beat, that seems a little unfair, although there were admittedly mistakes, but perfection wasn't the goal, and let's not forget that the band have just come to the end of a 5 week tour, some fatigue is inevitable. But the point is, this show/tour was about pure rock and roll, not in a way that murdered the songs, those songs weren't murdered, they went on a drink and drugs binge, cut themselves up, threw up all over themselves and then jumped off a tall building, so yeah, they're different from the records, and maybe you didn't get it, maybe you're reading too much into things Frank said on stage, but having seen several of the shows on this tour (some better, some worse than Sunday) I'm convinced that he made the right choice with his band, not only for their musical abilities, but for their personalities as well. Any band is a very delicate mix of characters, and to put a new band together for a 5 week tour is not an easy task, but I'm fully backing his decisions and defending the band, in fact I think several versions of the songs were even better! Probably the only thing letting them down was the small percentage of the audience who stood there stroking their chins whilst examining and analysing the whole thing, when they probably would have fared a lot better if they just rocked out, enjoyed themselves, and took the whole thing on face value. Maybe you'll get it next time, this was what he wanted the show to be like, if he didn't, then it wouldn't have been. 95% of the audience at all the shows I've been to can't be wrong. Anyway, you're entitled to your opinion, and some of the points you make may have a grain of truth in them (10%er and Manitoba were indeed good!) but it seems to me that you're being a bit harsh on everyone simply because it wasn't what you expected! Glad the rest of you enjoyed it though!
P.S. I'm still locked in Marcel's room, somebody please let me out, I'm scared, he does weird things to me....
quote:
Originally posted by junkmale
I think I must be the only person so far on this board who didn't really enjoy this show. Well, that's not quite true - I did enjoy the acoustic set. As far as the band goes, I think they murdered 90% of those songs. Don't get me wrong, I was one of those who wanted a shift away from the MOR Frank Black of the last couple of albums, but this band, in my opinion, just couldn't deliver these songs. There were exceptions, of course. Ten Percenter and Manitoba were pretty good, but even Threshold Apprehension didn't sound as powerful as it should have done.
The band just didn't have a feel for the rest of the material. Jason is a great drummer and just about held it together. Charles is a very good guitarist, but he's not Dave Philips, and he couldn't really carry the songs without Frank's guitar. For me the real problem was Ding, which was a surprise. I thought he did well in PJ Harvey's band and other things, but he was consistently behind the beat and very crude in his playing style, which really damaged some songs. I suppose it's a bit unfair to criticise players who've only just met each other, but this was almost embarassingly like watching a version of Frank if he hadn't sold a single record since Trompe le Monde and had picked up some local guys to play in a downtown bar in a one-horse town.
That said, I thought Frank was pretty good as a 'frontman' and I loved him sitting on the drum kit! But I did think that maybe he was disappointed with the quality of the band too - he just seemed intent on getting through the experience and it didn't look too much fun for him. We didn't get an encore and I thought that his comments on there being an 'unprofessional evening ahead' were about more than the mistake he made in his solo set.
Still, this was 500% better than most other things you're ever going to see. Perhaps Frank set too high standards for himself with the Catholics.
And all that because sharks Twenty-five people kill every year. All that because sharks from time to time are made the teeth. All that I always knew it by reading the Telegram of Brest. All that I will always know it when I read the Telegram of Brest
Well, having read the reviews of previous nights on the tour it was exactly what I expected but even lowering my expectations I was disappointed. I am aware that this wasn't a pick-up band (that was a throw away remark of mine - maybe you didn't 'get it')and Frank can have who he likes in his band, but that doesn't change my opinion (he can get it wrong you know, he's not the pope!). I think you are being a little condescending. I saw several punk bands in the late 70s and early 80s who genuinly 'couldn't play' but had loads of energy and I loved it (yes, I am that old). But this didn't work in my opinion.
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| Rockin I am |
Posted - 07/18/2007 : 00:45:27
Well after spending over £400 attending this gig (tickets/hotels/travel) my friends and I were disappointed to say the least in the poor quality of the band and Frank's general conduct. Frank IS a genius but having been to many of the Frank/Catholics gigs for years now - this really was atrocious. Let's not just say that "It was great - you guys just don't understand" I for one was impressed by the early acoustic tracks in the set and like to see different interpretation of songs but it went down rapidly after that.
We left the show very early - just churning out the tracks with little feeling for delivery is insulting (pissed or not) for those of us who have followed the post-pixie. Please Frank, sort it out - I want to come back and see you again.. By the way a straw poll of punters leaving the gig showed that about a third were not happy with the performance and I reckon another third was in denial. |
| tisasawath |
Posted - 07/17/2007 : 23:27:14
quote:
Originally posted by PixieSteve
guys if it won't go on youtube it's because it's over 10 mins or over 100mb. now it sounds like most the clips are less than 10mins. so are yo ureally going to download >100mb to watch a few clips? i think the better solution is figuring out why they are so big, but whatever..
"Idiot" is just her sig.
yes, only youtube mangles the video and reduces the size of it after upload (low standards to save space + crude processing), so i guess it'd be better to have the chance to view the raw footage, then, if it's good enough quality, someone can properly edit and encode to youtube standards and upload
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AAAAWWWWWRRRIIGGHHTTTTT !! ! |
| 50 Pence |
Posted - 07/17/2007 : 15:43:22
Went to the gig with Pixiesteve.....props for getting me ticket mate btw.....just excellent, inspiring and so much fun.....no hyperbole in that statement whatsoever! Highlights for me were lolita and tight black rubber...oh and cactus
Jar Jar Binks makes the Ewoks look like fucking Shaft! - Spaced |
| Ziggy |
Posted - 07/17/2007 : 14:47:44
I have a bunch of pics, some good, some so so; they need to reduced in size before I can load them onto the gallery on this site.
For the meantime, check out this link on facebook. They're residing there.
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=109080&l=ef6b9&id=223401072 |
| PixieSteve |
Posted - 07/17/2007 : 14:23:51
guys if it won't go on youtube it's because it's over 10 mins or over 100mb. now it sounds like most the clips are less than 10mins. so are yo ureally going to download >100mb to watch a few clips? i think the better solution is figuring out why they are so big, but whatever..
"Idiot" is just her sig. |
| Carl |
Posted - 07/17/2007 : 13:44:02
Thanks for the pics guys.
Bit late posting these couple of things, but:
Times Online-Top five gigs.
1 FRANK BLACK
Taking a brief break from the Pixies, Black Francis turns back into
Frank Black, with a show that coincides with the excellent 93-03.
Shepherds Bush Empire, W12 (www.shepherds-bush-empire.co.uk
0870 7712000), Sun
Little ad from The Guardian's Guide a couple of weeks back:
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| tisasawath |
Posted - 07/17/2007 : 13:37:44
www.sendspace.com
choose the file, upload it, then copy the link that shows up after the upload, post the link here
repeat for each file
please
thank you!
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| Crackitybones |
Posted - 07/17/2007 : 12:30:28
I'm useless at all that stuff. What's the easiest? |
| fbc |
Posted - 07/17/2007 : 11:18:08
or you could upload them @ sendspace.com and post the link here for download. whatever.
my pix are pretty shitty (i'll upload the best of the bunch, llama) |
| PixieSteve |
Posted - 07/17/2007 : 11:14:42
how big and long are they? perhaps you can compress them for youtube
"Idiot" is just her sig. |
| Crackitybones |
Posted - 07/17/2007 : 11:08:08
Glad you liked the pix.
Video: I've got a bit of Ten Percenter, most of Threshold Apprehension, the last half of Manitoba and a very entertaining few seconds of drum dry-humping during Rockerfeller Skank. Clips are too big for YouTube. Any advice on the easiest place to upload them to? |
| pudmeister |
Posted - 07/17/2007 : 10:03:56
Yeah Ten Percenter was my highlight, the guitar intro is awesome. Am still shocked about the whole thing.
Was expecting a pedal steel, country, catholics show, how wrong was I.
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| fbc |
Posted - 07/17/2007 : 09:14:01
I'm slightly annoyed with myself for not taking a decent camera or anything to record this show. I thought we'd get busted but we just waltzed in without any hassle. I don't think a recording could ever do this show justice but..
oh well. |
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