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| The New Bolero |
Posted - 11/25/2018 : 07:14:44
I've only seen her pretty much refuse to talk about the Pixies prior to these comments to an Austrailian publication. Interesting.
https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/music/breeders-tour-australia-kim-deal-pixies-20181120-p50h4w.html
With this once seemingly unlikely Breeders reunion booming, and her last dalliance with the Pixies just a few years gone, one has to wonder if Deal is more apt to accumulate meals than finish them. Asked if she might return to that other, even more fraught institution, she pauses for a very long time.
"It was a confusing period," she says, at last, of her last session with the Pixies in 2013. "I thought we were only doing a couple of songs and I played some bass ... I left thinking 'Hey, if you need any more bass, let me know'."
It's not exactly a "never again".
Another pause. "I think that the girl who is actually the bass player now would have a problem with me showing up." |
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| billgoodman |
Posted - 07/12/2019 : 07:48:29
All Nerve is good, my problem with it is that it's just the same record again.
Pod, Title Tk, Mountain Battles and All Nerve all sound more or less the same.
Last Splash and Pacer are not that unique too.
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| stuczuba |
Posted - 12/21/2018 : 11:44:44
History will be all about Pixies 1.0 - the Catholics, Breeders, 2.0 etc. will all be footnotes.
And, it's a crime but no-one will really remember FB or TOTY. Such is life. |
| Bedbug |
Posted - 12/21/2018 : 07:54:28
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Originally posted by Fissile
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Originally posted by Jason Bravo
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Originally posted by Bedbug
Does the forum agree that All Nerve is a superior listen than either IC or HC?
Ummm...no way, not even close. I do not know where all of this love for the Breeders comes from that average, at best record. Pod was and is the best that Kim Deal can possibly do, along with a few songs from Last Splash. From a top to bottom record perspective, there are way more better songs on IC or HC alone than All Nerve.
Breeders have their small fan-base, but the reality is that the Breeders will not stand the test of time. The Pixies are now legend, and will be remembered the way the Velvet Underground is remembered. Kim contributed her bit, even though she was, and remains, clueless as to how or why. Regardless, she does deserve some credit for being a good sport about it for as long as she did.
I think when it's all said and done, Charles will be seen as a legend, and 1.0, 2.0, Catholics, et. al. as people who got to play with a legend. |
| Fissile |
Posted - 12/21/2018 : 04:35:18
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Originally posted by Jason Bravo
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Originally posted by Bedbug
Does the forum agree that All Nerve is a superior listen than either IC or HC?
Ummm...no way, not even close. I do not know where all of this love for the Breeders comes from that average, at best record. Pod was and is the best that Kim Deal can possibly do, along with a few songs from Last Splash. From a top to bottom record perspective, there are way more better songs on IC or HC alone than All Nerve.
Breeders have their small fan-base, but the reality is that the Breeders will not stand the test of time. The Pixies are now legend, and will be remembered the way the Velvet Underground is remembered. Kim contributed her bit, even though she was, and remains, clueless as to how or why. Regardless, she does deserve some credit for being a good sport about it for as long as she did. |
| stuczuba |
Posted - 12/19/2018 : 01:09:24
I dont really compare All Nerve and HC at all, both good albums without needing a dogfight.
But, if you have to compare, then neither is as good as Dove  |
| picpic |
Posted - 12/18/2018 : 20:52:16
Haven't listened to All Nerve but my passion for the Pixies is not related to KD at all. KD is probably good, but comparing her to the guy from Wonderland ? Here ? Are you serious ? 
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| Jason Bravo |
Posted - 12/18/2018 : 17:41:56
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Originally posted by Bedbug
Does the forum agree that All Nerve is a superior listen than either IC or HC?
Ummm...no way, not even close. I do not know where all of this love for the Breeders comes from that average, at best record. Pod was and is the best that Kim Deal can possibly do, along with a few songs from Last Splash. From a top to bottom record perspective, there are way more better songs on IC or HC alone than All Nerve. |
| Jeepster |
Posted - 12/18/2018 : 16:05:34
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Originally posted by Bedbug
Does the forum agree that All Nerve is a superior listen than either IC or HC?
I’m fond of IC and HC but neither of them have Spacewoman. All Nerve does. So yeah, it’s better.
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Q: Where do Pixies keep their instruments when they're not playing?
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| Bedbug |
Posted - 12/18/2018 : 14:18:31
Does the forum agree that All Nerve is a superior listen than either IC or HC?
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| Jeepster |
Posted - 12/18/2018 : 13:31:09
Agreed, All Nerve was fantastic and the Breeders’ live shows have been great on this past tour. If Kim had to leave Pixies to create an album that good, then I’m glad she did.
Kim was probably being dismissive of Pixies because it’s annoying to constantly be asked about them when she’s trying to discuss her own music. FB could get bitchy when interviewers asked about Pixies before they got back together, too. Now Pixies got their good thing and Kim’s got hers (am I doing this lyrics thing right)?
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Q: Where do Pixies keep their instruments when they're not playing?
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| Fitzy |
Posted - 12/18/2018 : 12:24:59
What a great Breeders album, though.
Even if Kim is the ol' black eyed mannequin (thanks for the laughs, The Maharal and Bedbug:), All Nerve is a very strong showing from her and sets a high bar that I'm not sure both Kim and Charles will be able to match or surpass. |
| Bedbug |
Posted - 12/18/2018 : 11:17:01
Good one.
The ol’ black eyed mannequin |
| The Maharal |
Posted - 12/18/2018 : 10:23:30
She tried to dance the super slo-mo. She ended up in limbo so low. She's afraid of a bite that was bitten. She's afraid of volumes unwritten. She's afraid... at least that's what I say. |
| Bedbug |
Posted - 12/18/2018 : 06:36:46
Fissile said, "I'm also sure that Thompson is glad to be rid of her."
I agree, but in a "Fitzgerald" sort of way.
Listen to that song and think of Mrs. John Murphy.
"Though you are so loved, it had to come to this..."
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| pot |
Posted - 12/18/2018 : 02:02:33
Still not heard The Breeders cover of Gates Of Steel |
| picpic |
Posted - 12/18/2018 : 01:55:21
I can't see KD as a machiavellous and manipulative individual.
Not giving a shit and leaving the band high and dry in the middle of a recording session like a teenager, OK. But calculating her way out like Fissile said ? Nah.
We all know they're shitty communicators. So it probably just happened the way the band described it. -"I'm leaving"... -"Oh ok. Bye.".
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| darwin |
Posted - 12/17/2018 : 18:48:16
Seems like 2018 was a good year for the Breeders. |
| Sprite |
Posted - 12/15/2018 : 00:45:42
Usually I think Fissile is 99% wrong but this time I think he could be 10% right. |
| darwin |
Posted - 12/14/2018 : 09:40:00
She's still got credibility though. |
| Fissile |
Posted - 12/13/2018 : 16:29:07
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Originally posted by Bedbug
Another pause. "I think that the girl who is actually the bass player now would have a problem with me showing up."
But Kim, "the girl who is actually the bass player now" wrote a song about you, her idea, her lyrics, in your honor. Maybe she wouldn't have a problem? How would we know?
A not so subtle dis.
It's clear that Deal miscalculated. I'm sure she thought the Pixies wouldn't last long without her. Here they are, still playing in front of large, enthusiastic crowds. I'm also sure that Thompson is glad to be rid of her. |
| yarbles |
Posted - 12/12/2018 : 13:21:33
The main reason why bands sound different today than they did 30 years ago is because those people change. These songwriters are in completely different stages and places in their lives, we shouldn't expect things to stay the same forever. Now, whether what they're doing now is as good, better, or worse than previous works made when they were decades younger and in a completely different stage of mind/life/etc, that's subjective and debatable. But saying the reason why a band isn't "as good" as they once were is solely because a Kim or a D'arcy isn't in the band in anymore is just too simplistic to me. |
| trevgreg |
Posted - 12/09/2018 : 06:46:55
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Originally posted by sdon
They are a band, but their (collective) creativity is rather poor unfortunately, except for some flashes. Sure, BF still can come up with great chord progressions and lyrics (more on IC than HC), sure Joey can compose great riffs. But something is missing. They do not challenge themselves as much as before, they have lost their avant-gardist take and make do with what's comfortable for them.
I think Kim's contribution was much more than 2 songs out of 5 albums. She was the muse AND the critic, she was the one who pushed BF to excel and to trash average songs. In addition to having a huge stage presence.
I've been in bands, I know some members can be a pain in the ass to work with, but geniuses all the same. I think Kim's solo work or some of her Breeders songs have kept that indie vibe that Pixies have lost. If they could all grow up, and acknowledge and accept their respective strengths and weaknesses, they could be once again the greatest rock band alive.
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I see this argument on a lot of message boards for bands out there. Somehow one person who isn't there anymore was the critic or the moderating force behind a band, and so on. Smashing Pumpkins fans are assigning that sort of thing on Darcy nowadays and talking about how that's why the new music isn't up to par, isn't experimental/avant-garde, etc.
I don't know... I guess I have a hard time thinking that these bands aren't doing anything different from what they were before in a huge way. Or that somehow all these bands had their songwriting abilities go off a cliff around the turn of the century (which, coincidentally, is when the Internet was really starting to take off for discussing these things). Although I don't buy albums as much anymore, I still give music a chance by people I've previously enjoyed listening to. And more often than not, I still find some things to like and take away from it. If I don't for the rest, I shrug and move on. Even if they did a 180 on whatever it was they were doing, I doubt my reaction would be a whole lot different, honestly. |
| trevgreg |
Posted - 12/09/2018 : 06:41:56
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Originally posted by yarbles
Yeah that sounds like a Kim fan... giving her credit for something she didn't actually do... ;)
I read a review where the guy was bashing either EP 1 or Indie Cindy, and he talked about how traumatic it was hearing Bagboy on the radio realizing it was a new Pixies song, and then hearing KIM come in on the chorus.
I had to write him back and say "If you did any research on this article whatsoever, you would have realized..." etc. etc. about the Kim thing. |
| yarbles |
Posted - 11/30/2018 : 21:41:20
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Originally posted by picpic
Yeah anyway. Kim fans can still listen to Bagboy and hear her (uncredited) chorus
Yeah that sounds like a Kim fan... giving her credit for something she didn't actually do... ;)
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| Bedbug |
Posted - 11/30/2018 : 05:42:08
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Originally posted by yarbles
Hey Bedbug, what do you think the meaning of plastic crucifix is?
Pretty powerful juxtaposition of something that is supposed to be really meaningful with something that is very easily disposable.
That's just like, my opinion, man. |
| picpic |
Posted - 11/30/2018 : 01:57:56
Yeah anyway. Kim fans can still listen to Bagboy and hear her (uncredited) chorus
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| yarbles |
Posted - 11/29/2018 : 20:19:57
Hey Bedbug, what do you think the meaning of plastic crucifix is? |
| Bedbug |
Posted - 11/29/2018 : 15:45:38
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Originally posted by picpic
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Originally posted by Bedbug
The News really wants to make news of this. Are a lot of fans still thinking about this?
Mhhh... Look at this thread !
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Only cuz no one else is talking about anything else.
We *could* have a conversation about the meaning of plastic crucifix or any other number of more interesting things... |
| picpic |
Posted - 11/29/2018 : 11:09:57
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Originally posted by Bedbug
The News really wants to make news of this. Are a lot of fans still thinking about this?
Mhhh... Look at this thread !
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| Bedbug |
Posted - 11/29/2018 : 10:53:16
I think it's safe to say just about no one thinks that 2.0 is better, or maybe even as good, as 1.0. We agree on that?
What we disagree on is why that's the case.
No Kim?
No youth?
No magic?
Compression?
A combination of everything?
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| QuaBear |
Posted - 11/29/2018 : 06:07:44
I'm with sdon...sure, the songs were written and credited by Charles, and yeh, Charles was "the guy" i suppose, but I really don't think you can put a percentage on it...Kim added a huge portion, as did Dave and Joey...they were a group, they were a band...how do you know how much percentage is what? I'm not a 'No Kim No Deal' person, but surely I think, at least in my eyes, it's pretty apparent that the Pixies were something else in the late 80s....and 2.0 is something else as well....and kudos to them for continuing without Kim Deal, granted, i personally don't think the new music is stellar, but kudos to them... |
| Bedbug |
Posted - 11/29/2018 : 04:08:59
Agree with whoever said 1.0 was 98% Frank.
You’ll sleep better at night once you stop calling these guys the Pixies. Frank and Friends has a nice sound
(Reminds me die hard frank fans and nominal Pixies fans both have their issues with 2.0).
Whatever, it’s him making music |
| picpic |
Posted - 11/28/2018 : 23:50:10
You can't recreate a cult or a myth anyway.
To me, Pixies 2.0 is like if the Beatles had reunited in the 80s. Of course it wouldn't have been the same. Good, probably, but not the same. It's impossible.
Pixies 2.0 were not Pixies from the 80's-90s, with or without Kim ! I agree with Pete Radiator.
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| Discoking |
Posted - 11/28/2018 : 22:22:53
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Originally posted by sdon
But something is missing. They do not challenge themselves as much as before, they have lost their avant-gardist take and make do with what's comfortable for them.
I think Kim's contribution was much more than 2 songs out of 5 albums. She was the muse AND the critic, she was the one who pushed BF to excel and to trash average songs.
or maybe they're not making that type of music anymore because they're a lot older than they were before? maybe it has very little to do with kim?
(i don't know.)
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| peter radiator |
Posted - 11/28/2018 : 12:47:42
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Originally posted by sdon
I think Kim's contribution was much more than 2 songs out of 5 albums. She was the muse AND the critic, she was the one who pushed BF to excel and to trash average songs.
I just don't know if this is an accurate assessment of Kim's actual role in Pixies, or just what many of us might project her role to have been.
As more time goes by, I am really starting to feel that the band was always 98% FBF's creative artistry (in terms of the basic songwriting), and that Kim realized fairly early on that she was not a true creative foil as you describe.
It galled her a little, then a lot, and eventually she was completely over it, and threw all her creative efforts into the Breeders, Amps, etc...
That's why she only was interested in rejoining the group if it was an oldies act. She REALLY didn't want to be put in the same position she had been in before in terms of writing new material.
She knows FBF's style of bandleading as well if not better than anyone. It doesn't mesh with her in terms of collaboration.
She saved herself a lot of heartbreak and arguments by bowing out when she did in Wales. The rest of the guys know it, and while they were hurt and blindsided, they realized very quickly it was a gift.
I think it is highly likely the notion of Kim and FBF being some sort of incredibly unique creative duo is little more than a nice myth, fueled by the fact that both of them choose to not say much of anything at all about their respective creative processes, and the fact that they both know it feeds the Pixies lore.
Kim back in the band does NOT equal new amazing Pixies songs.
Kim back in the band equals countdown to inevitable implosion.
Just my .02, for whatever they may be worth.
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