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| TheScooper |
Posted - 10/06/2013 : 09:31:30
Per Pixies FB:
"HEY...Are you signed up to the list ? [mailing list] if not do so now....news coming tomorrow !"
EP2? Sweet baby butts I hope so.
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| Jose Jones |
Posted - 10/14/2013 : 07:40:46
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Originally posted by Grotesque
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i particularly like frank's response. the pitchfork score of 1 out of 10 is a total joke. a score of 1. really?? that's lame. how can you take that seriously. if the reviewer doesn't like the music - fine, but try to be a little bit objective. the review was way too personal and immature. the guy is disappointed the new music doesn't live up to his expectations. those are unrealistic expectations. fine- take 2 points off the scale for it not being as good as doolittle and then move on and review the 4 songs on it's own merit. and the reviewer comes across as being pissed cause it's an ep. things have changed. the industry has changed. just review the music and give it an objective score.
 "I joined the Cult of Frank/ cause I'm a real go-getter!"...long live snitz!!
What? No! Music and art in general are totaly subjective, so it has to be excessive sometimes, 1/10 is a good expression of someone decieved and pissed off. By the way, Frank's response seemed to understand that: i wonder why you liked his well balanced, mature and ironic response! "Realistic expectations"? Comon you want to live in such a boring world? If the guy is pissed off, fine! I'm an adult and i'm not him, so i'll read this and make my own opinion. Maybe for imature readers that believe everything they read that could be diferent. The guy loved the pixies, all the article is about that, he cant and musnt be objective. If you are truly objective dont listen to any music at all, it'll hurt your ears.
i like your take on it.
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| fumanbru |
Posted - 10/14/2013 : 05:47:58
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Originally posted by Grotesque
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i particularly like frank's response. the pitchfork score of 1 out of 10 is a total joke. a score of 1. really?? that's lame. how can you take that seriously. if the reviewer doesn't like the music - fine, but try to be a little bit objective. the review was way too personal and immature. the guy is disappointed the new music doesn't live up to his expectations. those are unrealistic expectations. fine- take 2 points off the scale for it not being as good as doolittle and then move on and review the 4 songs on it's own merit. and the reviewer comes across as being pissed cause it's an ep. things have changed. the industry has changed. just review the music and give it an objective score.
"I joined the Cult of Frank/ cause I'm a real go-getter!"...long live snitz!!
What? No! Music and art in general are totaly subjective, so it has to be excessive sometimes, 1/10 is a good expression of someone decieved and pissed off. By the way, Frank's response seemed to understand that: i wonder why you liked his well balanced, mature and ironic response! "Realistic expectations"? Comon you want to live in such a boring world? If the guy is pissed off, fine! I'm an adult and i'm not him, so i'll read this and make my own opinion. Maybe for imature readers that believe everything they read that could be diferent. The guy loved the pixies, all the article is about that, he cant and musnt be objective. If you are truly objective dont listen to any music at all, it'll hurt your ears.
right. music and art are totally subjective. reviews are subjective but should also strive to be somewhat objective. i just thought the score of the review was total bullshit and unfair. i don't get all the reviews that are largely based on comparing the new material to a body of work from 20 years ago. a lot of stuff has happened to these musicians in the last 20 years to shape who they are today. yes, the past is important but once i learned to let go of "expectations" i started to see a whole new world and better enjoy things. ya, it's good to question things and be critical but balance is equally important.
and it’s probably also very challenging for a music reviewer to have the time to do a proper review rather than just basing it on initial feelings. i don’t believe the ep was sent to critics before the release to the public. it takes time for the music to sink in and properly analyze and i’m sure these reviewers are under some pretty tight time constraints to get their review out.
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| Grotesque |
Posted - 10/14/2013 : 05:08:22
Yeah but it's not just experience (some musicians dont care at all from the very begining), it must be some self control too: we all know Frank owns some kind of no-nonsense anti-conceptual way of thinking, both down to earth and instinctive. How many times did he answered "I dont know" to a conceptual answer? In the end we all know he really depreciate those guys, the only thing different is now he wont get angry anymore (or at least not that often; or more ironically, wiser). It's what usually happens when you realize killing them all wont be a good idea. |
| Jason |
Posted - 10/14/2013 : 05:02:23
Frank has been making music constantly for almost thirty years now. He's seen it all. Good reviews, bad reviews. Celebration, indifference. Less experienced musicians get bothered by bad reviews. For a guy like him, it's nothing new. Just another day in the life of a musician. |
| Grotesque |
Posted - 10/14/2013 : 04:56:29
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i particularly like frank's response. the pitchfork score of 1 out of 10 is a total joke. a score of 1. really?? that's lame. how can you take that seriously. if the reviewer doesn't like the music - fine, but try to be a little bit objective. the review was way too personal and immature. the guy is disappointed the new music doesn't live up to his expectations. those are unrealistic expectations. fine- take 2 points off the scale for it not being as good as doolittle and then move on and review the 4 songs on it's own merit. and the reviewer comes across as being pissed cause it's an ep. things have changed. the industry has changed. just review the music and give it an objective score.
"I joined the Cult of Frank/ cause I'm a real go-getter!"...long live snitz!!
What? No! Music and art in general are totaly subjective, so it has to be excessive sometimes, 1/10 is a good expression of someone decieved and pissed off. By the way, Frank's response seemed to understand that: i wonder why you liked his well balanced, mature and ironic response! "Realistic expectations"? Comon you want to live in such a boring world? If the guy is pissed off, fine! I'm an adult and i'm not him, so i'll read this and make my own opinion. Maybe for imature readers that believe everything they read that could be diferent. The guy loved the pixies, all the article is about that, he cant and musnt be objective. If you are truly objective dont listen to any music at all, it'll hurt your ears. |
| fumanbru |
Posted - 10/14/2013 : 03:08:56
A score of 5/10 is fair. As a fan I give it a 9 and if I was a reviewer I would probably give it a 7.5. I know a lot of people don’t care about scores on reviews. I for one, love reading movie and music reviews. I love that someone has taken the time to objectively review and provide intelligent insight to a work of art. Artists take a huge financial risk in pursuing a career in the arts. I respect that. I love that. They should get paid fairly and the market rate. That's the society we created. So when a reviewer gives a completely unfair score I get pissed! That affects the artist’s livelihood. I would read pitchfork more often but they lack credibility when they pull shit like that.
"I joined the Cult of Frank/ cause I'm a real go-getter!"...long live snitz!! |
| Stevio10 |
Posted - 10/14/2013 : 02:23:37
I still think the Pitchfork review is motivated by the Grand Duchy 'Let the People Speak' review and backlash from 2012.
The Pixies EP was the next FBF related release and its not too far fetched to think music journos, especially at the same site, will hold a grudge.
Dont really want to dig up the issue as its in the past but there is a long thread about what happened and might help explain Pitchforks disdain; http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=20344&whichpage=4
I think FBF's response to the EP1 review is to take it on the chin and move on. |
| Jose Jones |
Posted - 10/13/2013 : 18:43:17
good point on that one. frank's response is good assuming he's never read the site and is only vaguely aware it's an online music mag. i'd be surprised if that were actually the case.
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| lucmove |
Posted - 10/13/2013 : 18:23:03
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Originally posted by fumanbru
i particularly like frank's response. the pitchfork score of 1 out of 10 is a total joke. a score of 1. really?? that's lame. how can you take that seriously. if the reviewer doesn't like the music - fine, but try to be a little bit objective. the review was way too personal and immature. the guy is disappointed the new music doesn't live up to his expectations. those are unrealistic expectations. fine- take 2 points off the scale for it not being as good as doolittle and then move on and review the 4 songs on it's own merit. and the reviewer comes across as being pissed cause it's an ep. things have changed. the industry has changed. just review the music and give it an objective score.
Well, I think your response is excellent. Too bad Charles didn't say any of that.
By the way, here is another theory of mine, this time something y'all are likely to get behind:
I suspect that Pitchfork did that for publicity. 1 out of 10 is indeed absurdly low. I think they saw the record wasn't good and could have given it at least 5 (I would), but knew that giving a 1 to the fucking Pixies would cause some always welcome noise on the internets. What happened: the review was mentioned in the WSJ interview. They certainly got a lot of page views with that. Internet 101.
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| IBreed |
Posted - 10/13/2013 : 17:03:23
The ep is a 6.5/10. I think that's fair. The ridiculously negative reviews and fanclub circle jerk will subside in a couple of months, especially if ep 2 proves to be better. I've noticed fans often don't feel comfortable speaking critically of their favorite band's work until they have something to champion. I get it.
While it's likely not fair to say Frank doesn't care, there is a certain remove there. Ep 1 is weirdly slapdash in construction, alphabetical track list and all. It's not a quality I've noticed in his other works. I think it's another safe guard from criticism in a sense.
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| Jason |
Posted - 10/13/2013 : 16:07:47
It's not a good idea to spend time trying to PROVE that your opinion is right. Most especially when it comes to something as nebulous (and I would even say frivolous) as music taste. All you're gonna do is beat your head against a wall (and hey, maybe you like that.)
I love the new EP. I played it four times today in the car. To me, these are quintessential Frank Black/Black Francis songs.
Can I PROVE that this record is good? No. I can't prove shit, nor would I care to do that. The best I can do it meet you halfway and explain why I, personally, like it. I'm not a lawyer arguing in a murder case. I'm just some guy in Texas who really enjoys a record. I'm in a very humble position.
And so are you. Just like I can't prove that it's good, you can't prove that it's bad. And that's fine.
There hasn't been a cool thing ever created on Earth that everyone likes.
In the end, Frank summed up all of this stuff much better in "Freedom Rock". |
| fumanbru |
Posted - 10/13/2013 : 15:47:58
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Originally posted by lucmove
For example, his response to Pitchfork was really lame. He raises his hand and says, "I want to defend Pitchfork..."
Wow, let's see that!
"Well, it's called Pitchfork! That name alone indicates they're out to skewer people, of course they are going to disapprove our new release."
Lame.
i particularly like frank's response. the pitchfork score of 1 out of 10 is a total joke. a score of 1. really?? that's lame. how can you take that seriously. if the reviewer doesn't like the music - fine, but try to be a little bit objective. the review was way too personal and immature. the guy is disappointed the new music doesn't live up to his expectations. those are unrealistic expectations. fine- take 2 points off the scale for it not being as good as doolittle and then move on and review the 4 songs on it's own merit. and the reviewer comes across as being pissed cause it's an ep. things have changed. the industry has changed. just review the music and give it an objective score.
"I joined the Cult of Frank/ cause I'm a real go-getter!"...long live snitz!! |
| Jose Jones |
Posted - 10/13/2013 : 14:47:31
lucmove, it's fine that you and the press don't think Pixies 2 is up to snuff. as it's been stated many times in this thread, we all have criticisms of fbf's work from some point or another. the problem i have with your arguments is that you keep trotting out possible explanations and each one gets debunked. it seems that in the end YOU are the one who can't admit to disliking something just because you don't like it. that's all the reason there needs to be.
i honestly love that last Britney Spears album. i love to piss on U2. i crank up weird hits that i love ("stars" by simply red, "save your love" by bad boys blue) but the National can go fuck themselves. it's my taste and i don't really need to explain it.
can you please stop trying to explain why your taste is RIGHT and giving reasons as to why the artist you follow is WRONG? it doesn't make sense and is a waste of your time.
got any pet peeves? please head on over to General Chat and be the quality boardmember i know you can be!
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| lucmove |
Posted - 10/13/2013 : 14:14:50
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Originally posted by Stevio10
Allow me to present quotes from lucmove which he has posted previously;
"Dissing Kim Gordon is foolish. She is sexy and does her job pretty well with the bass. Why should there be any loftier expectations around her? What is wrong with being just good?"
- What is wrong with being just good? Im sure you have told us being 'just good' does not cut it.
I can see your point, but you're missing two points:
1) I don't care as much about Sonic Youth. I don't even read their fan forum.
2) Kim Gordon has always been... that. No change. I see a very clear change in FBF's work, and I think it's for the worse. Hence my grousing.
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Originally posted by Stevio10
Another classic quote;
"I am not so radical. I like a lot of shameless commercial music and I am not ashamed of it. I love the Spice Girls. Seriously."
- Kind of eliminates any credibility you have dude.
Why? Where is the hipocrisy? If you like to pay so much attention to everything I write, please remember to point out that I put a lot of value into overall concept, consistency and what I call "character." The Spice Girls had a veeeeery different concept, and were faithful to it all the way, though their career was pretty short. There is a lot of good commercial music out there that only tries to entertain for a while, and that's OK. But The Pixies have always been a lot more than that. If the concept or purpose of the Pixies is going to change now, OK, they can do it, but then there is going to be friction. Obviously! I shouldn't have to explain that.
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Originally posted by Stevio10
The purpose of this post is to show that using quotes out of context can pretty much be used in any argument you wish to make.
Ah, well, mission accomplished.
You guys keep getting all worked up over some criticism. AC/DC has been criticised a lot, just to name one band. Well, I think they have always been very consistent. So much so that they have been accused of making the same album three or four times. That's the other end of an extreme. Iron Maiden has been criticised many times. I have friends who are crazy about Iron Maiden but grimace when I ask them about the Blaze Bailey era. Heck, there was criticism INSIDE Iron Maiden: they refused to record songs that Bruce Dickinson had written. They told it to his face that his songs weren't up to snuff. The Pixies told Kim Deal that her songs weren't up to snuff. It happens. But god forbid anyone DARES say that anything that Black Francis does is not up to snuff. Come on...
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| lucmove |
Posted - 10/13/2013 : 13:47:44
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Originally posted by Jose Jones
Wrong again, luc. The fella was with his prior wife from pixies days till show me your tears. Every one of your theories is shit.
That doesn't make my theory shit. That marriage is over, and I don't know why it ended. Maybe it was neglected to some extent and that's why his output was so much better back then. A lot of people neglect their relationships. I have neglected, I have been neglected, it's absolutely common. I will never know. As long as that is possible, my theory makes sense.
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Originally posted by Jason
I think lucmove's folly is that he's trying very hard to find a magic key that "explains" why Frank's new music isn't good. He can't just say "I don't like this" and move on with his life. He instead needs conspiracy theories about Frank's motives. Sometimes the results are creepy personal insults directed toward Frank. He's trying fit that subjective square peg into an objective round hole. If you ask me, it's not working out for him.
Still, he's harmless.
I can agree with that assessment, except the personal insults part. I am not insulting anyone, just criticizing work, and hardly being personal or creepy about it.
The problem is that I go hard against the grain here. Everyone here seems to enforce some kind of adoration mood, something I've never had. Artists, politicians, athletes or kings are just people, nothing more than people. FBF makes really great music, better than most people in history IMO, but he's still a man and can fail from time to time.
Yes, I'm harmless, but that's because I have a very small audience, assuming I still have an audience here. It seems the press tends to agree with me, and that's something that has to be taken into consideration by anyone who cares. The Pixies were revered by the press, now they're briefly viewed with some degree of bewilderment or disappointment. Something's happened and I (clearly) don't think that ignoring it is the best thing to do. The world is not as lenient as this forum is with its demigod.
I don't mind that you lot are so strict with everything I say here. I think that's healthy. I just wish you were a little strict on the demigod, too. For example, his response to Pitchfork was really lame. He raises his hand and says, "I want to defend Pitchfork..."
Wow, let's see that!
"Well, it's called Pitchfork! That name alone indicates they're out to skewer people, of course they are going to disapprove our new release."
Lame. He completely sidestepped the fact that Pitchfork gives high ratings to many records. The interviewer still pointed out that some other publication gave the EP a 5 out of 10, which is still low for the Pixies. BF could have argued that the critic has too particular a taste, wasn't impartial, or didn't listen to the record properly, but instead BF chose to attack the name of the blog. And I have to be the only one who points that out, because he can do no wrong before your eyes.
OK, whatever. I disagree, but won't call you names because of that.
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| Jason |
Posted - 10/13/2013 : 11:47:55
I think lucmove's folly is that he's trying very hard to find a magic key that "explains" why Frank's new music isn't good. He can't just say "I don't like this" and move on with his life. He instead needs conspiracy theories about Frank's motives. Sometimes the results are creepy personal insults directed toward Frank. He's trying fit that subjective square peg into an objective round hole. If you ask me, it's not working out for him.
Still, he's harmless. |
| trobrianders |
Posted - 10/13/2013 : 03:23:01
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Originally posted by lucmove
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Originally posted by trobrianders
I don't get how you can question his credibility without making reference to say, http://amherststuckists.com/
I had no idea that site existed. I had only seen one of Charles' paintings so far. Either way, I don't really understand what you mean. If you care to elaborate...
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Let me be clear (clearer than John Kerry even!), you were judging Charles' recent years as an artist on your disdain for a recent 4 song EP he probably knocked off in a weekend. That's kinda silly. Something like Amherst Stuckists deserves far more attention from your discerning eye if his credentials as an artist of late is really what's concerning you.
I gotta say though, some of the hate you're getting is worse than silly.
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| Stevio10 |
Posted - 10/13/2013 : 02:09:45
Allow me to present quotes from lucmove which he has posted previously;
"Dissing Kim Gordon is foolish. She is sexy and does her job pretty well with the bass. Why should there be any loftier expectations around her? What is wrong with being just good?"
- What is wrong with being just good? Im sure you have told us being 'just good' does not cut it.
Another classic quote;
"I am not so radical. I like a lot of shameless commercial music and I am not ashamed of it. I love the Spice Girls. Seriously."
- Kind of eliminates any credibility you have dude.
But this is not about showing lucmove that he is a hypocrite, he does that quite well by himself.
The purpose of this post is to show that using quotes out of context can pretty much be used in any argument you wish to make. |
| johnnyribcage |
Posted - 10/13/2013 : 01:51:50
Holy shit lucmove. Wow man. Jesus.
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| fumanbru |
Posted - 10/13/2013 : 01:10:22
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Originally posted by lucmove
I wasn't trying to "make it his fault." I have been speculating that he is tired, which makes sense in light of how much he's done already. Another theory: maybe he is not very interested, which is pretty normal given his age, and that he is now a lot older, married, has kids etc. Maybe he is doing this Pixies thing now because he knows he won't be able to do it later, but he isn't really really into it.
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I enjoy reading your posts luc. Even though I don’t agree with some of it you put a lot of thought into it. I see where you are coming from that Frank has a large family and he’s been doing this for a long time and maybe he’s getting worn out a bit. I have 2 young kids and things do get “busy” but I think a lot of people are able to adapt and you don’t necessarily lose your mojo.
I for one really enjoy the new songs and don’t think he’s not into it. I was really impressed with the itunes festival. I’m a huge fan and love most of his work. Some of his stuff didn’t do much for me at first but over time I often got a new appreciation/perspective. Frank deserves a lot of respect. He's worked really hard, put out a huge impressive body of work, taken a lot of risks, has gone in many different directions, and put up with a lot of crap. Obviously a lot of fans and music critics have some pretty high expectations on the new material and there are going to be varying opinions. The new stuff has struck a chord with me and I’m really looking forward to what’s ahead!
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| Jose Jones |
Posted - 10/12/2013 : 14:35:47
Wrong again, luc. The fella was with his prior wife from pixies days till show me your tears. Every one of your theories is shit.
You know good music from bad music? It's fucking subjective.
The word blowhard comes to mind.
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| natenate101 |
Posted - 10/12/2013 : 14:17:54
You like to be long winded and are prone to going off on odd tangents. Maybe time to start your own blog, get all this stuff out somewhere else? Might be healthy.
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| lucmove |
Posted - 10/12/2013 : 14:09:44
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Originally posted by trobrianders
I don't get how you can question his credibility without making reference to say, http://amherststuckists.com/
I had no idea that site existed. I had only seen one of Charles' paintings so far. Either way, I don't really understand what you mean. If you care to elaborate...
I kind of like his paintings, but not much. Painting is not my cup of tea anyway. I've always said: I don't make music, but I know good music from bad music when I hear it. Sadly, I suppose I can't say the same about paintings. I do have favorite painters and paintings, but museums and galleries are full of paintings that I hate or can't even begin to understand. One notable example: Barnett Newman.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnett_Newman
43 MILLION $$$ for that??? Why?!!!
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Originally posted by Jose Jones
lucmove, you seriously are putting too much into this. the guy's genius is that this stuff comes fairly effortlessly. i love it. many do. if you don't, that's fine. but stop making it his fault that you aren't buying what he's selling (at a very affordable price).
I wasn't trying to "make it his fault." I have been speculating that he is tired, which makes sense in light of how much he's done already. Another theory: maybe he is not very interested, which is pretty normal given his age, and that he is now a lot older, married, has kids etc. Maybe he is doing this Pixies thing now because he knows he won't be able to do it later, but he isn't really really into it.
Hey, I didn't even realize he painted so much. That has to divide his attention somewhat.
Yet another theory: he was single when he made his best stuff, but now he is married and the stuff isn't so good anymore. There, I blame his wife. Women, drugs and gambling never fail to cause a man damage. 
Actually, the paragraph above is a joke, but may be more serious than anything else...
Show of hands: how many of you here write, compose or create anything? I dare propose the following: put myself in FBF's shoes. You can do that, too. Let's go.
I write sometimes and I know what inspiration is like. Several of you here pointed out that TOTY or Monkey Gone or something else was written in like one day or fifteen minutes. Well, some of my best material was written just like that, like lightning. Other material took longer due to a lot of polishing, but the real kernel of the idea and a sizeable portion of the whole idea struck me very quickly. That's inspiration.
There have been occasions when I was invited to some upcoming literature meeting and, damn it, I had nothing new to show. I felt pressured. People like my writings, I didn't want to disappoint them, so I would... force it out, like a mother trying to give birth or someone taking a dump - you choose. And I would tell myself, "You can do it, you've done this before, come on..." But that doesn't work. Inspiration is the boss, and she was taking a walk somewhere else. All parts of my own material that I really like came to me uninvited. There may be polishing later, but the real deal is beyond my control. It just jumps from the shades and assaults me.
I haven't written lately because I have been deeply involved in two projects (plus my day job) that have nothing to do with writing. My mind is therefore too focused, it can't wander off, I'm busy, and I have a girlfriend, etc. But then my girlfriend travels for a whole month. I am not amused. I am in fact a little pissed, I feel I am single again, I can't work well, I go out alone once or twice to get drunk and vent, and... who crosses my path all of a sudden? That's right, Ms. Inspiration. She is back. And I crank out one of the best texts of my life.
Becoming more relevant now: FBF is married, has FIVE kids. FIVE kids, folks. Do you understand how much time and energy those creatures can suck out of you? Remember when YOU were a kid? And let's not forget the wife. Come on. You gotta spend some time with the missus. And he has been painting. And he has written more songs than almost anybody in the world. Let me ask you this: is this surprising that Ms. Inspiration may not feel like visiting him as much anymore? Does Ms. Inspiration even look for the company of someone who is that busy? When does FBF ever get to let his clumsy thoughts wander off, to the point that he will ask where is mind is? Is it really far-fetched to speculate that he wrote the latest Pixies songs all by himself (Ms. Inspiration absent) while saying, "Come on, you can do it," because he is usually solo but this time there were people looking over his shoulder?
Look, I am a nerd at heart. I like to overthink (dont i?), I like to watch and analyze, I like to figure out how things work. One of such things is inspiration, the creative process, producing content, and what goes on behind the scenes of a true work of art. What was he/she thinking? How did that magnificent piece come out to life? What is the magic behind it? Nay, there is no magic. A true nerd does not believe in magic. I believe in science, in James Randy, in Penn and Teller, in peer review, there is no magic. I like to understand stuff so it can be engineered later. And now I wonder, what happened to FBF and why is his latest work so disappointing to me? I would hasten to look for answers in myself, I like to self dive, but I've been really enjoying other music, including comebacks. What is going on then?
Sorry if you don't like to analyze. Just skip my posts and move on. Freedom of expression, dudes.
Last, but not least:
- blckfrncs, thank you for your valuable input all the way from Luxembourg.
- kurtblack, you're in the back burner, I will get back to you when I have some more free time.
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| simibaby |
Posted - 10/12/2013 : 12:59:50
Just enjoy the music, yo! turn off ur mind, relax and float down streammmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| simibaby |
Posted - 10/12/2013 : 12:57:50
...."I had a childhood that was mercifully brief
I grew up in the state of disbelief
Started to THINK TOO MUCH when I was 12, going on 13
Me and the girls from St. Augustine, up in the mezzanine
Thinking about God, yeah!"
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| natenate101 |
Posted - 10/12/2013 : 09:12:40
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Originally posted by Jose Jones
Fucking classic.
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| Jose Jones |
Posted - 10/12/2013 : 08:43:01
Fucking classic.
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| johnnyribcage |
Posted - 10/12/2013 : 03:25:00
I'm interested to see if the response to that is as hardcore as the earlier stuff...
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| fumanbru |
Posted - 10/12/2013 : 03:09:21
Hi Frank! Thanks for stopping by! It is always good to be reminded of the process and the source.
“Don't believe everything you read on the internet.” - Abraham Lincoln
As an avid music fan I really enjoy reading and viewing the interviews. I particularly enjoyed the Wall Street Journal interview and it’s nice hearing from Joey and Dave as well.
I will actually wander to the “questions balck francis for 2013” thread and post a few questions.
http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=20753
Happy touring!
"I joined the Cult of Frank/ cause I'm a real go-getter!"...long live snitz!! |
| billgoodman |
Posted - 10/12/2013 : 02:44:38
You understand that some people will misquote above post, right?
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| Mac E. Doobage |
Posted - 10/12/2013 : 01:39:33
Crap is the operative. |
| blckfrncs |
Posted - 10/12/2013 : 01:33:40
Interesting thread. Seems like there may be some misunderstandings about things I have said or allegedly said. I'm happy to clarify. Sometimes music press quotes incorrectly, sometimes readers read the correct quote, but also misunderstand. Sometimes the misunderstanding comes from a prexisting notion (by the journo or the readers) or a well circulated rumor. Also, keep in mind, that interviews are very casual conversations that take place over the telephone , or in noisy places; they are affected by personality chemistries , amount of sleep, moods, coffee, drugs, alcohol, stress, concerns about being misquoted; I could go on for a couple of days here. I used to be annoyed by being misquoted or misunderstood, but I accept this now as one of those things that happens to anyone who does a lot of interviews.
The greatest problem with music interviews is that the format does not usually have verbatim questions and answers. Usually the entire question is not repeated at all (same true for the response); and you can't expect that an interview will be printed this way; it's too long. An interesting thing also is that the interviewer will frequently have a very long prelude to the actual question; this is partly conversational, but also frequently this prelude contains so much presumption, assumption and gumption that the artist has to begin to respond to "questions" that are multilayered and LOADED. Fast forward to my extracted, partial, out of context response and you have a garden variety misunderstanding. But that's ok I guess. Some artists won't even do interviews, and I can certainly understand why.
BF
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| velvety |
Posted - 10/12/2013 : 00:59:53
Lucmove, there's definitely some things I agree with you, but I think you're contradicting yourself on some things. You say that these songs sound like a mishmash, no unifying theme, and that a unifying theme is something that has always elevated FB's best albums to greatness. Yet, you would like the Pixies to have released an album with these same mishmash songs (and the rest that was recorded, presumably). Or maybe just not release anything and call it quits.
That doesn't make sense, as they would be releasing songs that have been demos for years, others that were written in Wales. Magdalena 318 probably was written after the Wales sessions (I'm guessing here, of course). The album would always still be a mishmash of songs, not like the (to my amazement) beloved new MBV album, that besides being in the works for years and years and years, has also the advantage of their signature sound making everything they do sound cohesive.
The unifying theme of the new Pixies songs is wanting to release new music with the other three members (now two, unfortunately) and ending the old-hits parade. For me that's the best thing FB could have done. He now has by his side David Lovering, which is a fine drummer, and one of the best lead guitarists in the world. I would rather take what they come up with than hear Frank release more albums like NSE. Yes, releasing songs under the Pixies name carries an enormous weight, but fuck that, let the critics bitch and moan about it, just let me hear the new stuff Frank comes up with, having the other two guys by his side.
It's fine that some people don't like the new songs, I for one like them and don't find them disappointing at all (well, maybe Another Toe could have had more ideas put into it, but the chorus is still very catchy), even if I don't think they're the best thing he's come up with (there's no Threshold Apprehension-quality to the five songs I've heard, for example). But I'm happy that there's new music from the band and can't wait for more: the release of the other EPs and maybe future new albums. I do still hate the idea of not having an albums worth of songs to listen and dissect and geek-out to, though (screw you, new manager).
Regarding your love for Bluefinger (which I also share), didn't he write and record that album in a week or something? I remember reading something to that extent in an FB interview. And TOTY, which many consider his best solo album, has no unifying theme or character at all, it's not trying to say or express anything, it's just a roller coaster of brilliant song after brilliant song. The Golem, of course, has a unifying theme, I love those songs, you don't seem to respond to them favorably. So I guess the muse factor and inspiration of the moment have always been an huge part of FB's genius and style, rather than what he's been trying to "say" of "express" throughout his career. If you like artistic Statements and Music Opus of great magnitude, maybe you're barking at the wrong tree when it comes to Frank Black. |
| simibaby |
Posted - 10/11/2013 : 19:36:27
wow. what's with youse?! some of you think too much
"They say that the left side of the brain controls the right
They say that the right side has to work hard all night
Maybe I think too much for my own good. Some people say so
Other people say "no. no, The fact is you dont think
As much as you should" Lyrics by the great PAUL SIMON |
| Jose Jones |
Posted - 10/11/2013 : 09:10:20
most of the lyrics on TOTY were written in a day or two cuz he was having writers block and the fellas started making their own lyrics (which got him writing).
Monkey Gone To Heaven chorus was just filler words that he ended up keeping.
lucmove, you seriously are putting too much into this. the guy's genius is that this stuff comes fairly effortlessly. i love it. many do. if you don't, that's fine. but stop making it his fault that you aren't buying what he's selling (at a very affordable price).
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